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 Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)

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MessageSujet: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Dim 1 Mai 2011 - 22:50

Yo fini ak bin laden.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Dim 1 Mai 2011 - 23:28

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Ben Laden aurait été tué par les Américains dans une résidence située à l’extérieur d’Islamabad, au Pakistan, selon CNN

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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Dim 1 Mai 2011 - 23:34


Le président américain Barack Obama s'apprête à prendre la parole, dimanche soir, pour livrer à la nation une annonce importante: l'ennemi juré des États-Unis, Oussama ben Laden, serait mort.

Toutes les grandes salles de nouvelles américaines ont obtenu des confirmations à l'effet que le leader d'Al-Qaida et présumé financier des grands réseaux terroristes internationaux serait décédé. Il aurait été tué lors d'une opération militaire près d'Islamabad, la capitale du Pakistan.

Ben Laden était âgé de 54 ans. Il est considéré, suite notamment à des admissions de sa part, comme le « cerveau » des attentats du 11 septembre 2001. Il figure depuis 1999 dans la liste des 10 personnes les plus recherchées du FBI, qui offrait notamment une récompense de 25 M$ US en échange de tout renseignement menant à sa capture.

Depuis les attentats du 11 septembre, ses seules apparitions publiques ont été effectuées par le biais de quatre vidéos et de trois enregistrements audio rendus publics avec parcimonie durant cette période. Les deux vidéo les plus marquantes ont respectivement été diffusées le 13 décembre 2001 et le 29 octobre 2004.

Dans la première, il admettait quelques semaines à peine après les attentats en être le responsable. Dans la seconde, diffusée peu avant une élection présidentielle américaine, il menaçait les États-Unis de nouvelles attaques. Sa dernière apparition vidéo remontait déjà à 2007 et son dernier enregistrement audio à octobre dernier.

L'annonce du président Obama doit être faite en direct sur Internet et à la télévision dans les prochaines minutes.

Plus de détails à venir
http://www.ruefrontenac.com/nouvelles-generales/international/37033-obama-sadresse-a-la-nation-ben-laden-mort

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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Dim 1 Mai 2011 - 23:44

Tande LGR. Obama te di li itou li la pou' l'chase lan tout kwen ènmi Ameriken. Pandan ke Donald Trump ap voye monte enbesilite, pandan ke Republiken ak sistèm la pense ke yo ka fè tèt Obama cho, misye ap opere trankil.

Se jan de nouvèl ki p'ap fè Republiken yo plezi.

Pakistan bije plye.

Men, antre nou, tout sa se politik.

M'pwal di on bagay la ki ka deranje: ès ke yo pwal montre kor la tankou yo te fè pou Che Guevara?

An nou ret tand reyaksyon Arab ak musulman yo. Hum! Tout moun ap di: "bon débarras"?

Bagay yo frapan...

Au fonds, la trahison est à la base des services secrets.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 8:38

Y ap blije montre kò an.Siman y ap prepare kijan pou yo fè sa.
Si yo pa fè sa ,ak gen otan de moun ki kwè se vre ak sa ki kwè se pa vre.

Y ap blije montre kò an ,ak prèv ke se pa yon ""doub"".

Se yon pyèj pou OBAMA si ke l pa p pran ladan l ;pou l pa ta montre kò an.Sonje yo te blije montre menm lè yo t ap pann SADDAM HUSSEIN lan.
Toutotan pa gen prèv fòmèl ,pa p gen ""kloti"" lan istwa sa a
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 9:10

Joel a écrit:
Y ap blije montre kò an.Siman y ap prepare kijan pou yo fè sa.
Si yo pa fè sa ,ak gen otan de moun ki kwè se vre ak sa ki kwè se pa vre.

Y ap blije montre kò an ,ak prèv ke se pa yon ""doub"".

Se yon pyèj pou OBAMA si ke l pa p pran ladan l ;pou l pa ta montre kò an.Sonje yo te blije montre menm lè yo t ap pann SADDAM HUSSEIN lan.
Toutotan pa gen prèv fòmèl ,pa p gen ""kloti"" lan istwa sa a

antouka misye fè moun sezi men yon kestyon: Depi Aout yo kon koté misye yie, pouki pagen wikileaks?
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 13:01

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bagay dwol men yo di ke yo gentan antere mouche wi.yo pa bay kote yo jete kò a ou byen sann lan nan lan mè pou li pa tounen yon lye de pelerinaj.Ki sa w konprann nan bagay saa?genyne yon lot nouvel ki di pèsonn pa konnen kote Al zakawi ye.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 13:49

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bagay dwol men yo di ke yo gentan antere mouche wi.yo pa bay kote yo jete kò a ou byen sann lan nan lan mè pou li pa tounen yon lye de pelerinaj.Ki sa w konprann nan bagay saa?genyne yon lot nouvel ki di pèsonn pa konnen kote Al zakawi ye.

Yo jete kò a nan lanmè
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 15:52

La politique exterieure americaine merite un grand balayage, une redefinition ou une nouvelle maniere de pensee. Ntretemps, elle demontre une certaine instabilite qui defie tout raisonnement logique.

Comment comprendre qu'on veut a tout prix que Quadaffi s'en aille pendant qu'on oublie Bahrain, le royaume Saudi,Coree du Nord et l'Iran? C'est bien de se "debarrasser" de ce colis genant mais quid de la negociation de paix entre l'Israel et la Palestine qui est le noeud gordien qui justifie tant de revandications dans le monde arabe? La terre de la justice pour tous doit enfin vivre en action le motto de sa constitution!
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 16:13

C'est la victoire du JSOC Joint Special Operation Command - une nouvlle force qui commence a avoir une certaine autonomie dans l'appareil militaire americaine. La JSOC, telle concue sous l'administration d'Obama, inclut les meilleures forces speciales des Etats Unis avec la Delta Force, les Berets de toutes les couleurs, les Navy Seals, les agents specialises de l'Agence, certaines unites de l'appareil securitaire, des experts du secteur prive et les rangers. Sous controle de la CIA, la JSOC repond directement au chef supreme des forces armees qui lui procure tout ce qu'elle desire afin de realiser ses objectifs. Lisons cet article car nous allons entendre parler de cette super force ....

JSOC: The Black Ops Force That Took Down Bin Laden

The team of US Special Operations Forces who killed Osama bin Laden in a pre-dawn raid on a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, were led by elite Navy SEALS from the Joint Special Operations Command. Operators from SEAL Team Six, also known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or just DevGru, are widely considered to be the most elite warriors in the US national security apparatus.

Col. W. Patrick Lang, a retired Special Forces officer with extensive operational experience throughout the Muslim world, described JSOC’s forces as “sort of like Murder, Incorporated.” He told The Nation: “Their business is killing Al Qaeda personnel. That’s their business. They’re not in the business of converting anybody to our goals or anything like that.” Shortly after the operation was made public, retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey called JSOC’s operators the “most dangerous people on the face of the earth.”

“They’re the ace in the hole. If you were a card player, that’s your ace that you’ve got tucked away,” said Gen. Hugh Shelton, who was the Chair of the Joint Chiefs on 9/11, in an interview with The Nation. Shelton, who also headed the Special Operations Command during his career, described JSOC as “a surgical type of unit,” adding “if you need someone that can sky dive from thirty miles away, and go down the chimney of the castle, and blow it up from the inside—those are the guys you want to call on.” Shelton added, “They are the quiet professionals. They do it, and do it well, but they don’t brag about it. Someone has to toot their horn for them, because they won’t, normally.”

JSOC, which is headquartered at Pope Air Force Base and Fort Bragg in North Carolina, is an all-star team made up of the Army’s Delta Force, SEAL Team Six, Army Rangers and the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, also known as the “Night Stalkers.” JSOC performs strike operations, reconnaissance in denied areas and special intelligence missions. More recently, JSOC added a Targeting and Analysis Center in Rosslyn, Virginia, to its list of key facilities. For much of the Bush administration, JSOC was headed by Gen. Stanley McChrystal. Its job was to hunt down and kill individuals designated as “High Value Targets.” McChrystal’s successor at JSOC, Vice Admiral William McRaven, is himself a former SEAL. The current commander of SOCOM, Admiral Eric Olson, is a former SEAL Team Six commander. McRaven was recently been tapped to replace Olson as SOCOM commander. Several Special Operations sources have described for The Nation a very close relationship between President Obama and JSOC. Some allege Obama has used them to “hit harder” than President Bush.

Marc Ambinder described the bin Laden raid in his excellent report on National Journal: “From Ghazi Air Base in Pakistan, the modified MH-60 helicopters made their way to the garrison suburb of Abbottabad, about 30 miles from the center of Islamabad. Aboard were Navy SEALs, flown across the border from Afghanistan, along with tactical signals, intelligence collectors, and navigators using highly classified hyperspectral imagers. After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured. One of the dead was Osama bin Laden, done in by a double tap—boom, boom—to the left side of his face. His body was aboard the choppers that made the trip back. One had experienced mechanical failure and was destroyed by US forces.”

It remains unclear what, if any, role Pakistan’s military or intelligence forces played in the operation to kill bin Laden. US officials have said only that Pakistani intel aided the eventual operation. “We shared our intelligence on this bin Laden compound with no other country, including Pakistan,” said an unnamed senior administration official. “That was for one reason and one reason alone: We believed it was essential to the security of the operation and our personnel.” The fact that bin Laden’s compound was a stone’s throw from a Pakistani military installation in an urban area raises disturbing questions about how Pakistan’s military or intelligence services would not be aware of his location. As of this writing, the White House has not commented on this fact.

The United States has a lengthy history of US Special Operations Forces conducting targeted kill or capture operations inside Pakistan. “I would like to point out one sensitivity of Pakistan and its people and that it’s a violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan,” former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf told NDTV after bin Laden’s killing was announced. “American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of our towns, that is Abbotabad, is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan.” Musharraf’s comments are ironic given that he personally made a deal with General McChrystal to allow US Special Ops Forces to cross into Pakistan from Afghanistan to target bin Laden or other Al Qaeda leaders. The so-called “hot pursuit” agreement was predicated on Pakistan’s ability to deny it had given the US forces permission to enter Pakistan.

Both President Bush and President Obama have reserved the right for US forces to operate lethally and unilaterally in any country across the globe in pursuit of alleged high value terrorists. The Obama administration’s expansion of US Special Operations activities globally has been authorized under a classified order dating back to the Bush administration. Originally signed in early 2004 by then–Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, it is known as the “AQN ExOrd,” or Al Qaeda Network Execute Order. The AQN ExOrd was intended to cut through bureaucratic and legal processes, allowing US special forces to move into denied areas or countries beyond the official battle zones of Iraq and Afghanistan. Gen. David Petraeus, who is poised to become director of the CIA, expanded and updated that order in late 2009. “JSOC has been more empowered more under this administration than any other in recent history,” a Special Ops source told The Nation. “No question.”

SEAL Team Six also carried out the operation that killed the Somali pirates that hijacked the Maersk Alabama in April 2009. They flew from a discreet US base in Manda Bay, Kenya. “If it comes down to putting sharpshooters up on the deck of an aircraft, and making sure that first shot doesn’t miss, who do you want to do it?,” asks General Shelton. Referring to Team Six, he adds: “They’re deadly accurate.”

The vast majority of JSOC’s missions are highly classified and compartmentalized. In some cases, JSOC operators have conducted operations without informing the combatant commanders of their presence. “Only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance,” a senior Obama administration official said shortly after bin Laden’s killing was announced.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as Secretary of State Colin Powell’s chief of staff from 2002 to 2005, has alleged that then–Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld often circumvented the traditional military command structure in how they used JSOC. “What I was seeing was the development of what I would later see in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Special Operations forces would operate in both theaters without the conventional commander even knowing what they were doing,” Colonel Wilkerson told me in late 2009 for a story about JSOC in Pakistan. “That’s dangerous, that’s very dangerous. You have all kinds of mess when you don’t tell the theater commander what you’re doing.”

Wilkerson said that almost immediately after assuming his role at the State Department under Colin Powell, he saw JSOC being politicized and developing a close relationship with the executive branch. He saw this begin, he said, after his first Delta Force briefing at Fort Bragg. “I think Cheney and Rumsfeld went directly into JSOC. I think they went into JSOC at times, perhaps most frequently, without the SOCOM [Special Operations] commander at the time even knowing it. The receptivity in JSOC was quite good,” said Wilkerson. “I think Cheney was actually giving McChrystal instructions, and McChrystal was asking him for instructions.” He said the relationship between JSOC and Cheney and Rumsfeld “built up initially because Rumsfeld didn’t get the responsiveness. He didn’t get the can-do kind of attitude out of the SOCOM commander, and so as Rumsfeld was wont to do, he cut him out and went straight to the horse’s mouth. At that point you had JSOC operating as an extension of the [administration] doing things the executive branch—read: Cheney and Rumsfeld—wanted it to do. This would be more or less carte blanche. You need to do it, do it. It was very alarming for me as a conventional soldier.”

While JSOC—and the Navy SEALs in particular—will become legendary in a much broader circle as a result of the bin Laden killing, the secretive unit has had its share of controversy. JSOC forces were responsible for the botched rescue that ended up killing British aid worker Linda Norgrove in Afghanistan on October 8, 2010. JSOC also carried out a raid in Gardez, Afghanistan, in February 2010 during which two pregnant women and a US-trained Afghan police commander were killed. In that case, senior Afghan security officials and eyewitnesses claimed that US forces dug the bullets out of the dead women’s bodies. Initially, JSOC’s forces tried to cover up the incident by blaming the killings on a Taliban “honor killing.” Eventually, Admiral McRaven took responsibility for the botched raid and apologized to the family.

Several Special Ops sources say that President Obama has taken concrete steps to once again integrate JSOC more fully into the broader US military strategy globally. The bin Laden operation, which was done in concert with the CIA, seems to be evidence of that. The primacy of JSOC within the Obama administration’s foreign policy—from Yemen and Somalia to Afghanistan and Pakistan—indicates that he has doubled down on the Bush-era policy of targeted assassination as a staple of US foreign policy.

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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 16:22

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bagay dwol men yo di ke yo gentan antere mouche wi.yo pa bay kote yo jete kò a ou byen sann lan nan lan mè pou li pa tounen yon lye de pelerinaj.Ki sa w konprann nan bagay saa?genyne yon lot nouvel ki di pèsonn pa konnen kote Al zakawi ye.


Se AL ZARAWI ki sèvo AL QUAEDA.BEN LADEN te toujou yon ""figure head"".

Yo di y ap travay sou jan pou yo montre FOTO ,kadav lan.
Fò k pa gen okenn dout,zewo;byen ke sa se preske yon enposibilite.
Gen moun ki deja ap bougonnen ,lè yo bay nouvèl se lan TÈT ,yo tire misye.
Si y ap fè menm jan ak AL ZARAWI ,se pou yo si ,se pa lan tèt yo tire l
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Lun 2 Mai 2011 - 23:31

Mesye genyen moun ki genyen odas wi men Dick Cheney vle pran kredi pou sak rive ya.Musharaf gen lè pa kontan ke yo rantre pran Ben ladin non ou byen se manniget lap fè.Mwen twouve sa dwol pou ben ladin ap viv nan zye neg yo la pou yo di yo pat konnen.Ki jan fè yo gwo kay konsa bati epi pa genyen telfonn ki enstale nan kay pou mesye entelijans pakistanè pat konnen ,mon chè pou mwen neg yo se negosye yo tap negosye ki jan yo pral separe 25 milyon an anvan yo te kite meriken pran Bin laden.Musharaf ap konplimante Presidan Obama epi lap souri.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Mar 3 Mai 2011 - 8:15

Mesye entelijans pakistanè yo pa fouti pa konnen kote AL ZARAWI ye.
Yo se alye ISLAMIS lan PAKISTAN ak AFGANISTAN yo.Se yomenm ETAZINI te ize pou yo te ame TALIBAN yo ,lè yo te vle kwape RIS yo lan AFGANISTAN.
Pwoblèm lan sè ke ETAZINI bezwen yo ,byen ke yo se kouto fanmasi.
Se mesye sa yo ki kontwole LAME PAKISTANÈ an.
Yo lan tèt jwèt yo ,y ap touche lan men ameriken yo ,men y ap touche tou ,si se pa plis,lan kòmès EWOYIN mesye TALIBAN yo.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Mar 3 Mai 2011 - 8:27

Yo te kapab ap touche nan men gwo sheik arab yo ki tap finanse AlQueda.Ki moun ki met kay saa kote Bin laden tap viv la.Ki moun ki bati kay sa ak mi byen wo saa?fok yon jwen architek e injenyè ki bati kay saa.kote Bin laden te jwen lajan poul viv pandan tou tan sa Nan pakistan?Mon chè nanpren yon moun ki ka fèm kwè ke Bin laden pat genyen pwotektyon yon gwo zotobre pakistanè.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Mar 3 Mai 2011 - 10:53

Se sa menm wi.

Kay lan tou pre yon Akademi MILITÈ PASKITANÈ.

Pwoblèm lan sè ke AMERIKEN yo ,bezwen yo.

W al len dengonn yo ,y ap bay gouvènman PAKISTAN an ,yon koudeta militè e gouvènman ameriken an tou bezwen yo lan estrateji yo kont gouvènman chinwa a.

Ou pa wè yo di ke lè y ap debake lan kay kote BEN LADEN te ye an ;yo pa t kite PAKISTANÈ yo konnen.

Kapab se vre,kapab se pa vre ,men ou ka konprann si se estrateji sa a ,yo te adopte.
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MessageSujet: Re: Mache chache pa janm domi san soupe(Osama Bin Laden est mort)   Mar 3 Mai 2011 - 16:13

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Se sa menm wi.

Kay lan tou pre yon Akademi MILITÈ PASKITANÈ.

Pwoblèm lan sè ke AMERIKEN yo ,bezwen yo.

W al len dengonn yo ,y ap bay gouvènman PAKISTAN an ,yon koudeta militè e gouvènman ameriken an tou bezwen yo lan estrateji yo kont gouvènman chinwa a.

Ou pa wè yo di ke lè y ap debake lan kay kote BEN LADEN te ye an ;yo pa t kite PAKISTANÈ yo konnen.

Kapab se vre,kapab se pa vre ,men ou ka konprann si se estrateji sa a ,yo te adopte.

Joel sa'w panse de moun ki doute yo touye Ben laden vre. Gen moun kap soti tintin Théorie du complot. Mwen sezi yon neg ki recherche depi 10 zan yo di se nan kek forè liye e pi se nan Bel kay lap viv konsa.

Antouka mwen mandem poukisa amerikenn rayi L'Iran konsa leu nou konnen mesye iran yo pa finn renmen moun taliban yoyo. Sa pa tap pli stratejik si yo te chache yon alyans ak liran.
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