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WikiLeaks show US calling shots in Haiti
By Jacqueline Charles
jcharles@MiamiHerald.com

A month before a newly elected Haitian President René Préval was to assume office in 2006, frustrated U.S. officials found themselves in a diplomatic tussle with Haiti’s interim government over returning criminals to the country.
Nine months earlier, the U.S. had unofficially halted deportations amid concerns that deportees were behind a wave of kidnappings and violence. With presidential elections over, and the security situation somewhat improved, U.S. officials wanted the program resumed.

Instead of finding the supportive ally it had on countless issues since South Floridian Gerard Latortue was plucked from retirement and installed as prime minister, the U.S. found a resisting partner. .

It was one of the few times that Latortue, installed after President Jean-Bertrand Aristide was forced from power, attempted to stand up to Haiti’s most powerful ally, according to confidential cables obtained by WikiLeaks and shared with McClatchy newspapers.

The collective tone of the cables between Port-au-Prince and Washington during the interim government’s two-year rule from March 2004 to June 2006, show how deeply the U.S. government was involved in Haiti’s internal affairs. They also illustrate how Latortue relied on the U.S.’s top envoys in Port-au-Prince for counsel and support, even as his government broke promises and commitments, such as on-time presidential and legislative elections, the release of Aristide’s former Prime Minister Yvon Neptune and the rapid resumption of deportations.

“These cables show over and over, the U.S. considered Haiti to be its ward and regardless of whomever is in power, either democratically elected or not, they expect that person to do their bidding,’’ said Alex Dupuy, author of The Prophet and Power: Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Haiti and the International Community.

“They keep putting people in power but what they don’t understand about Haiti is Haitians have their own agenda when it comes to power,’’ added Dupuy, who teaches sociology at Wesleyan University in Connecticut. “Regardless of what the U.S. wants, there are always internal issues they will have to deal with, different factions vying for power and interfering with the agenda of the U.S. and international community.’’

Latortue, who lives in Boca Raton, declined a Miami Herald interview request to discuss the cables, or his tenure as prime minister.

The role of the U.S. in Haiti’s internal affairs has long been a matter of debate among Haiti watchers and Haitians, who questioned their country’s sovereignty after the international community’s role in the recently concluded fraud-plagued, controversial presidential and legislative elections.

After the Nov. 28 first round, the U.S. government revoked — and eventually returned — visas of Préval loyalists as part of its pressure tactics to get the former president to replace his party’s candidate, Jude Célestin, from the runoff in favor of singer Michel Martelly.

Martelly eventually won the presidency. But two months in office, he’s struggling to install a prime minister. His selection of Bernard Gousse, a lawyer who served as minister of justice and public security in the interim government, has reignited debate about the Latortue government.

The cables show that U.S. and U.N. diplomats were frustrated over Gousse’s poor handling of security, and lack of judicial and police reforms.

Dupuy and other Haiti observers say the cables serve as a warning for future Haiti governments. The U.S. will continue to be “an invisible and influential’’ member of the government of Haiti until the crisis-prone nation gets its political, social and economic acts together.

“For the U.S., elections have no meaning other than to create the image that Haiti is democratically run and has a democratic government. But that doesn’t mean that with democracy comes autonomy,’’ Dupuy said. “As long as they think they have someone they can control, they will support them.’’

That support came through in several secret dispatches.
For instance, concerned that interim President Boniface Alexandre wanted to play a more influential role in the country’s affairs, Latortue complained to then U.S. Ambassador James Foley.

“Latortue said, he would need Ambassador’s assistance to make sure that Alexandre did not encroach on the government’s prerogatives,’’
Foley wrote in a 2004 cable, adding, “Ambassador will see President Alexandre on this subject later in the week.’’

Latortue again sought Foley’s counsel in June 2005 as Haiti was sinking into anarchy and the U.N. peacekeeping mission’s mandate was in danger of not being renewed. China, a key vote, was upset about Alexandre’s planned visit to Taiwan.

The near diplomatic disaster was avoided after the trip was canceled at the last minute but not before the U.S. weighed in.

“Latortue implied that he was considering putting the President’s trip in play.
I said if he did so, he should insist on the 12-month renewal [of peacekeepers].
Latortue said he would not only do that but also insist on the raising of the troop and police ceiling. I wholeheartedly agreed,’’ Foley wrote June 3, 2005.

While Latortue’s supporters say he did what the U.S. wanted — stage free and fair elections that resulted in Préval’s election — critics say his government’s “poor performance’’ led to missed opportunities to help reform Haiti.

One area where the U.S. did not get its way, was in its race against death to get Neptune released before Préval came into office.

Brian Concannon Jr., a human rights lawyer who worked on the Neptune case and that of imprisoned activist Miami priest the Rev. Gérard Jean-Juste, said the cables show that the “U.S. concerns were limited to the public relations effects of their deaths in custody, not the fact that their imprisonment was illegal.’’

Haitian courts later determined that the detentions were without merit. The Inter-American Court of Human Rights issued a similar ruling in Neptune’s case.

Concannon said that most of the U.S. frustration surfaced because Latortue’s government either failed to follow orders or took actions that risked embarrassing the U.S.

That was the case not just with Neptune but when runoff legislative elections were jeopardized by an attempt to kick out candidates with dual nationality. The incident was described in a March 2006 cable as “the latest in a long list of examples of cabinet indiscipline and an exasperating lack of judgment on the part of key Haitian officials.’’

Former U.S. Ambassador to Haiti Janet Sanderson added that it “serves as a reminder that we must monitor every step’’ of Latortue’s government.
A month later, U.S. officials were again frustrated, this time over Latortue and Interior Minister Paul Magloire’s reluctance to allow the U.S. to resume deportations. The U.S. warned that they risked visa revocations.

“Magloire asserted that visa sanctions would be unreasonable and considered such action a personal threat,’’ Sanderson wrote April 12, 2006, just four weeks before Préval was to be inaugurated for his second stint as president.

“He stated that the [interim government of Haiti] has done everything the [U.S. government] has asked of it, even risking its credibility, and should be given credit, not sanctions for progress in Haiti.’’




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What a shame.And they want us to believe they the are the most able to govern the country.Where is that ability?
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MessageSujet: Re: BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO   BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO EmptyJeu 21 Juil 2011 - 13:28

Se tankou BERNARD GOUSSE t ap trete SENATÈ yo dinyoran e ameriken yo yomenm t ap mande tèt GOUSSE akoz de enkonpetans li.
Yon bann malpwopte ki al etidye an FRANS e yo tounnen AYITI tankou bagay lan di l;""trop français pour ètre haitien,trop haitien pour ètre français""

Yon lòt bagay pou note;tout moun ap kriye pou AZÒ ,gran atis popilè an.AZÒ se te youn lan premye viktim mesye GOUSSE yo.Apre koudeta 2004 yo pa t vle bay misye paspò li,akòz de apatenans lavalas li.Se yon pakèt lòt atis ki te fè yo ba misye paspò li.
Mesye KOUDYAY yo yomenm te blije rete MIAMI ,yo pa t ka tounen AYITI.
Tout sa se te di a travay ""GOUSSE LENKONPETAN""ki se sèl bagay li konnen ,se FÒS.
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Mwen pa beswen konnen si Gousse te genyen 20 plom nan iniversite franseuuu men depi mwen te tande li mete Yvon Neptune nan prison san ke li pa paret devan yon jij apre 48 è ke yo te aretel; depim te tande li te mete Gerard Jean Juste nan prison paske yo te di se li ki touye Roche depim te tande li tal arete senatè yo nan radyo karayib e byen pou mwen li se yon ti Caligula ak yon konpleks de Napoleon.sil pa oprese moun li pa santi li byen.se moun tankou Gousse ki fè Victor Hugot te ekri" Les Miserables."
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MessageSujet: Re: BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO   BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO EmptyJeu 21 Juil 2011 - 15:57

San dout se paske tout krim politik ak vòl nan leta ki te fèt sou rejim sanginè lavalas yo pat genyen kòmanditè, aktè, ak sitirè. Se menmn ansyen makout ak militè ki t ap touye moun sou Duvalier ak defakto yo ki te enfiltre lavalas pou yo te ka sabote mouvman an... Eeeeeee ...tchèèèèèèèm! ...Si nou kwè m manti.

Ertha Pascal Trouillot, Claude Raymond, Prosper Avril, te pran prizon san jije. Lè se pa asasinen ke yo asasinen yo tankou Max Mayard ak Jacques Florival. Tout Ak-ti-vis k ap defann 29 Fevriye 2004 yo pa janm di anyen. Okontrè, y ap preche filozofi "ki frap pa lepe" an. Men, kou swadizan menm epe sa saa pwente sou yo, yo gagannen tout atik ki genyen nan konstitisyon an.

Tanbou 2 bounda. Yon son pou lènmi yo, yon son pou ti vòlò ak asasen pèsonèl pa yo.
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MessageSujet: Re: BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO   BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO EmptyJeu 21 Juil 2011 - 16:36

O mwen zo kot Avril pat kase tankou li te fè kase zo kot Serges Gille, K-plim ak Marineau etienne. Nanpren moun ki ap defann lendefandab sou sit la, mwen di depi se yon tribinal ayisyen enpartyeal ki jwen aristide koupab de krim e de vol se pou yo jije e kondane li.
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MessageSujet: Re: BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO   BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO EmptyJeu 21 Juil 2011 - 16:54

O mwen, Neptune pa t mouri nan prizon menm jan ak Claude Raymond.

Men, kijan fè ke w pa janm aksepte pou yon fanmi youn nan viktim Aristide yo ta ba l "jistis divine" tankou jan ke w konn mande pou moun ke w rayi yo tou?

Se laa pwoblèm mwen avèk wou. Wou toujou ap klewonnen ke si yon viktim lòt rejim yo ta koresponn ak youn nan bouwo yo, yo p ap mechan pou sa. Men, pou Aristide li menm, wou ensiste ke se pou tribinal enpasyal Ayisyen ki pou jwenn li koupab e kondane l. Viktim pa l yo li menm pa t genyen fanmi, ni san ki t ap koule nan venn pa yo?

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mwen pa genyen oken pwoblem si yon moun ki te viktim de abi pouvwa Aristide chache jistis non paske si se mwen ki te nan plas li mwen tap chache jistis tou.sam pa renmen se lè nou finn pike moun nan legliz saint jean bosco ,bpule leglis ak moun ladann le nou fè 3 zan nap masiminen pep la epi lè yo fout nou kek pataswel epi nap rele anmwee.A la guerre comme a la guerre.
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Se menm bagay lan ke anpil moun ap di tou pou Lavalas. Nou fè 20 lane ap koupe rache sou pèp lan, lè yo fout nou kèk pataswèl tou, fòk nou pa rele moun sa yo "fachis" oubyen "esklav de mezon" e pou n tonbe resite tout atik ki genyen nan konstitisyon ak lwa penal peyi an.

Baton ki bat chyen nwè an, ap bat chyen blan an tou. Paske tou 2 chyen sa yo kòmèt menm jan de krim: TERORISM DETA.
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se nou ki te etabli teworism deta an 1957 jis an 1990 .nou retablil anko an 1991 jis an 1994. nou fout retabli anko an 2004 jis an 2006.si pandan ti tan pitit pep la fè o pouvwa yo fout nou kek baff se pou nou konprann ke ayiti se te glisse se fè en pe kite en pe.pase baton ki bat chen nwa yo li ka bat chen wouj yo tou.ak tout restavek yo.
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MessageSujet: Re: BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO   BOSS LAN AK RESTAVEK LI YO EmptyJeu 21 Juil 2011 - 18:02

Roseau!

Sispann bafwe moun. "Pep" lan pa te ka pran pouvwa a, epi se yo ankò ki viktim. Sispann voye flè, si lespri w fatige, ale pran late after noon nap wou. M ap repete w ankò: Plis kay boule, plis fanm vyole, plis moun mouri nan Site Solèy ak Lasaline ant 1994-2004 ke sou tan FRAPH. Men, anpil fèy ki kase pou kouvri sa.

FRAPH te mete dife nan Site yon sèl fwa, e se 300 ti kay ki te boule ak 3 moun te mouri pami yo yon ti bebe 4 mwa. Mwen sonje byen, pwiske mwen te rete nan Site an lè saa.

Lavalas li menm boule plizyè milye ti kay nan Site saa pandan 4 fwa:

_ En Fevriye 1995 ( Nan Pele)

_ En Desanm 1999 ( Lintho 1)

_ Avril 2001 ( Pwojè Dwouya)

_ En 2002 (Boston)

Pa vini pale m de pèp te o pouvwa. Listwa aprann nou ke pi fò rejim ki pi sanginè yo te eli nan eleksyon. Sa pa vle di ke se pèp lan ki te sou pouvwa.
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