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Published Tuesday, Mar. 12 2013, 10:46 PM EDT

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A decade after Jean Chrétien risked the ire of the United States by declining to support its attack on Iraq, the former prime minister says Canada has lost some of the international stature that helped it take a more independent line.

In an interview with The Globe and Mail, Mr. Chrétien said Canada made the right decision by refusing to join the war without a clear resolution from the United Nations Security Council. But he also expressed regret that Canada’s status within that body may have slipped since that time, with the country losing its bid for a Security Council seat and reducing its presence in Africa in recent years.
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This month, Americans are marking the 10th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq with a sense of profound introspection.

Public opinion polls suggest many believe the war, in which tens of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of Americans died, was a mistake.

The U.S. military withdrew from Iraq in 2011, but the country remains under constant threat of extremist violence, with attacks still occurring almost daily in some parts of the country.

Mr. Chrétien said Tuesday he never believed the intelligence the United States claimed to have that Iraq had amassed weapons of mass destruction.

But he said Canada’s decision not to participate in the war drew criticism from opposition MPs, as well as some business groups who feared the U.S. might retaliate by trying to limit trade between the two countries. And it meant defying two of Canada’s strongest allies days before the U.S., Britain and several other countries began Operation Iraqi Freedom in March of 2003.

“It turned out to be very important for the independence of Canada,” Mr. Chrétien said. “It is a decision that the people of Muslim faith and Arab culture have appreciated very much from Canada, and it was the right decision.”

The former prime minister said he views the UN as an important institution that has helped prevent major wars. And he questioned the Conservative government’s commitment to the international body, saying Canada’s role appears to have diminished since it lost its bid for a seat on the UN Security Council in 2010.

“Canada has always been a big player at the UN, relatively speaking,” Mr. Chrétien said. “What I notice is we seem to be playing much less [of a] role now [that] we were not elected to have a seat at the Security Council.”

Stephen Harper has addressed the UN General Assembly only twice since he became Prime Minister, choosing last fall to accept a separate award for statesmanship elsewhere in New York instead of speaking at the annual opening with other state leaders. And Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird rebuked the UN last November, accusing it of abandoning its principles to offer an upgraded “non-member observer state” status to Palestinians.

At the same time, Mr. Chrétien said, Canada is offering less assistance to some of the world’s poorest nations and closing embassies in Africa when that continent’s economy is growing rapidly. “We don’t have the image we used to have. Ask any observer, I don’t think it’s as good as it was,” he said.

A spokesman for Mr. Baird said the government has taken a “principled approach” to foreign policy. “It has been Canada’s long-standing tradition to stand for what is principled and just, regardless of whether it is popular, convenient, or expedient. Under our government, Canada no longer panders to every dictator with a vote at the UN,” Rick Roth wrote in an e-mailed response.

Fen Hampson, director of the global security program at the Centre for International Governance Innovation, said the government has not cut back on its commitments to the United Nations in recent years, even though losing the bid for the Security Council seat clearly came as a shock.

“I think the feeling was that, you know, we weren’t necessarily going to turn our backs on the UN, but it would fall lower in our affections,” he said.

But the Harper government continues to look to the United Nations for approval for military action, he said, adding, “The UN still matters to this government when it comes to legitimizing and authorizing the use of force.”

ATTENDING CHAVEZ’S FUNERAL ‘WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO’

Former prime minister Jean Chrétien surprised many last week by travelling to Venezuela at the last minute to join the throngs of people who gathered in Caracas for Hugo Chavez’s funeral.

The trip, which he took with his wife, Aline, included a meeting with Mr. Chavez’s mother, Mr. Chrétien said. He said he got to know the former Venezuelan president when Mr. Chavez visited Ottawa shortly before he was sworn in, and the two found common ground in their love of baseball.

“He told me that if I had to go to Venezuela some day that he would strike me out,” Mr. Chrétien said, joking that he would have surprised the Venezuelan leader by bunting the baseball.

Mr. Chrétien said he never had a reason to travel to Venezuela while he was prime minister, and “felt that it was the right thing to do” after Mr. Chavez’s death.

“I respect the people of Venezuela, and we always have normal relations with them,” he said, adding that he once visited with Cuban leader Fidel Castro and generally kept the door open on diplomatic relations when he was prime minister. “So this, I had the time to do it and the desire to do it,” he said. “And they were very happy that I did it.”

Mr. Chrétien acknowledged that Mr. Chavez was a controversial figure and said that he “went probably too far” in his pro-poor policies.

But he added that the large number of people who turned out for Mr. Chavez’s funeral speak volumes about his reputation in Venezuela.

“A lot of people love him there. He was very much on the side of the poor, and we have to think about the poor in any society,” he said. “I’m not the type of guy who thinks the crumbs of the table are enough for the poor, either there or in Canada.”

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Afè imaj pa li l ap okipe! Pati Liberal la an chen. Li espere pitit defen Pierre Trudeau pral resisite pati a espesyalman sou teren goch la. Kidonk, mesye yo ap pozisyone yo.

An reyalite Pati Liberal Federal la se yon ekip reyaksyonè ki pi rafine pase konsèvatè yo. Men, se menm tenyen an. Enterè reyèl yo se "big business".

Se Jean Chrétien ki te premyeminis lè konplo koudeta bisantnè a t ap mare nan Meech Lake 31 janvye- 1 fevriye 2003. Sa fè ekzakteman 10 zan depi reyinyon lawont sa a te fèt e jouk kounye a, okipasyon militè yo te deside mete sou Ayiti a, kontinye ap fè dega.

Mwen konnen anpil Ayisyen gen chètout pou Pati Liberal e yo gen espwa yo pral jwenn plas politik nan pati sa a. Epoutan, listwa montre pati a pa bezwen fè anpil efo pou yon ekip moun ki pare pou kore li pou granmesi.

Mwenmenm, se bliye sa....pati koudetayis sa a pa p jwenn sipo pa m anko. DIVOS TOTAL!
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JAF;

Se yon sèl bagay ki ap pale OZETAZINI ;se pil ak pakèt MANTI ke mesye BUSH yo bay pou yo te ka fè ENVAZYON IRAK lan.
TRILYON DOLA depanse ki kontribye a mete EKONOMI an renleng.
Pil ak pakèt MANTI sa yo kontribye a fè de PATI REPIBLIKEN an yon PATI REJYONAL.
Anpil REPIBLIKEN ap fè ""MEA CULPA"" yo.
Yo pa t plis depanse LAJAN ke sa pou yo te fè KOUDETA 2004 lan ;men yo te fout bay yon pil ak yon pakèt MANTI pou yo jistifye KOUDETA yo an.
M ap tann yo fè yon ""MEA CULPA "" tou ,pou sa yo te fè peyi DAYITI an ,an 2004.
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jafrikayiti a écrit:
Afè imaj pa li l ap okipe! Pati Liberal la an chen. Li espere pitit defen Pierre Trudeau pral resisite pati a espesyalman sou teren goch la. Kidonk, mesye yo ap pozisyone yo.

An reyalite Pati Liberal Federal la se yon ekip reyaksyonè ki pi rafine pase konsèvatè yo. Men, se menm tenyen an. Enterè reyèl yo se "big business".

Se Jean Chrétien ki te premyeminis lè konplo koudeta bisantnè a t ap mare nan Meech Lake 31 janvye- 1 fevriye 2003. Sa fè ekzakteman 10 zan depi reyinyon lawont sa a te fèt e jouk kounye a, okipasyon militè yo te deside mete sou Ayiti a, kontinye ap fè dega.

Mwen konnen anpil Ayisyen gen chètout pou Pati Liberal e yo gen espwa yo pral jwenn plas politik nan pati sa a. Epoutan, listwa montre pati a pa bezwen fè anpil efo pou yon ekip moun ki pare pou kore li pou granmesi.

Mwenmenm, se bliye sa....pati koudetayis sa a pa p jwenn sipo pa m anko. DIVOS TOTAL!

Jafrik wou pa gen lechoix lagew nan NDP, Mulchair manke yon okazion en or pou dissocie li plus enkor de Conservateurs yo ki de plis en plis ap demaske agenda cache yo pou fe Canada tounen yon "Corporate Republic"
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Sèl Jean Chrétien te gen rezon lèl pat vle mare sosis li ak Bush e Tony Blair pou al dekostonbre Irak. Li te deklare ho e fô ke si Nasyon Zini tchoule dèyèl, li menm tou li pap fè gnou pa kita gnou pa nago sou dosye sa a. Li te di ke pat gen prèv valab de zam destriksyon masiv yo nèg yo tap pale a. Yo fè chyen nan pyel pou angaje Kanada nan batay, yo menm telefône Aline madanm Jean Chrétien poul ka konvenk maril pou al pote boure. Li te sèmante swasann di sèt fwa sèt fwa non. Tout moun vin tombe dakô jounen jodi a ak Jean Chrétien ki te gen tèt li sou de kakôn zepôl li papa. Yo rele sa konviksyon sou koupyon lestonmak.
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Manno11 a écrit:
Sèl Jean Chrétien te gen rezon lèl pat vle mare sosis li ak Bush e Tony Blair pou al dekostonbre Irak. Li te deklare ho e fô ke si Nasyon Zini tchoule dèyèl, li menm tou li pap fè gnou pa kita gnou pa nago sou dosye sa a. Li te di ke pat gen prèv valab de zam destriksyon masiv yo nèg yo tap pale a. Yo fè chyen nan pyel pou angaje Kanada nan batay, yo menm telefône Aline madanm Jean Chrétien poul ka konvenk maril pou al pote boure. Li te sèmante swasann di sèt fwa sèt fwa non. Tout moun vin tombe dakô jounen jodi a ak Jean Chrétien ki te gen tèt li sou de kakôn zepôl li papa. Yo rele sa konviksyon sou koupyon lestonmak.

Manno,

Rayi chien di danl blanc...Liberaux, sitou Jean Chretien, malgre tout sa yo reproche yo te gen nen nan figi yo.

Yo fe pa mal pou communaute Haitienne al lot communaute kiltirel yo pi bien integre nan Canada gras a plizie programmes, y compris reunification familiale. Temps sa-a fini..koulia se yon "Corporate Repiblic" Vouzan pou dwa immigrant pou fe fanmi yo vin jwenn yo..yo jis bezwen fos travay wou kom "pseudo-esclav" menm jan yo te kon ap sevi ak chinois yo nan 19e siek pou konstwi rail transcanadien.

Se konsa koulia se konpayi ki gen dwa sponsorize immigrant pou fe yo vin travay Canada. Gen plizie kompayi Chinois ki gentan koumanse importe "cheap labor" soti lakay yo pou vin travay icitte..Phillipines ak lot peyi sou menm lis la tou..talo wou ka tande yo vin chache Haitiens tou pou travay nan ranmasseproduits agricoles apre yo voyew lakay wou.


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