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MessageSujet: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Lun 12 Oct 2015 - 9:46

Sa a se yon ATIK ki paret jounen Jodi an.Jodi an OZETAZINI se COLUMBUS DAY pou komemore swa dizan DEKOUVET LAMERIK.

Gen anpil ETA ki komanse pa komemore JOU sa a anko.Gen ETA ki rele 12 OKTOB yon JOU pou nou sonje tout MOUN ke KOLON te kontribye pou touye ak ZAM e ak MALADI.


Christopher Columbus was a lost sadist. There shouldn't be a holiday in his name

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Stop celebrating Columbus Day and start celebrating the native cultures his arrival in the Americas began the process of displacing






Christopher Columbus
He was less a groundbreaking explorer than a guy who misjudged how big the earth is. Photograph: PRISMA ARCHIVO / Alamy/Alamy

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Monday 12 October 2015 07.15 EDT

The second Monday in October has been designated an American federal holiday in Christopher Columbus’s honor since 1937. To most people in the United States, this commemoration of his 1492 landing in the Bahamas no longer has much meaning – many Americans outside of large Italian American communities are only dimly aware that it’s an official holiday. Many people don’t even get the day off work, instead trading Columbus Day for the day after Thanksgiving.

The holiday’s popularity has been waning for some time. In cities like Seattle and Minneapolis, it has been already been renamed Indigenous Peoples’ Day, a reminder that Columbus’s voyages set off a chain of events that wreaked havoc on native populations in the New World. It’s time to make that piecemeal commemoration official: stop celebrating Columbus and start celebrating the native cultures he began the process of displacing.
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For generations, school children learned to recite, “In fourteen hundred and ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue”. They then learned the story of the brave explorer who navigated into uncharted territory with sailors who were frightened of falling off the edge of a flat earth. That tale, much of it created by Washington Irving (the man who gave us The Legend of Sleepy Hollow), is bunk. Mariners knew full well the earth was round, including Columbus and his crew. Columbus just thought the circumference of the earth was thousands of miles smaller, and thus that the islands of the Caribbean were the East Indies. Our holiday celebrates a man who was lost.

Lost or not, he immediately captured some of the natives he met, writing of the “seven [natives] which I have ordered to be taken and carried to Spain,” and further musing that “I could conquer the whole of them with 50 men, and govern them as I pleased”. In December, his ships reached Hispaniola – the island that now hosts Haiti and the Dominican Republic – where he forced the natives to provide him gold; those who didn’t had their hands lopped off. It was the beginning of a rapid decline of the island’s population; historian Laurence Bergreen estimates that there were 300,000 natives on Hispaniola when Columbus arrived; by 1550, there were just 500. Many had been killed by disease or Spanish soldiers; others had been enslaved and sent back to Spain. A huge number simply took their own lives rather than live under Spanish rule. Is this really worthy of a celebration and a three-day sale at the local department store?


One of the original purposes of Columbus Day was to celebrate America’s longevity. There had been local commemorations of the holiday throughout the 19th century, but the first big push for national recognition of Columbus came in 1892, the 400th anniversary of his first voyage. America – its Civil War behind it and a bright future ahead – wanted recognition that the country was four centuries old, even if Columbus himself had never set foot on soil of what would become the United States.

Today, we have no such identity crisis and don’t need this holiday to remind us of our origins. Not only do we have Thanksgiving, which marks the beginning of the first great wave of European immigration, we also have Independence Day, which recognizes the country’s political origins, as does, to a lesser extent, President’s Day. Columbus Day’s sentiments are superfluous.

Instead, let’s focus on the indigenous people displaced by Columbus and those who followed in his wake. From the Calusa in southern Florida to the Duwamish who settled modern-day Seattle nearly 10,000 years ago, the continental United States had a pre-Columbus population that numbered in the millions. By some estimates, nearly 90% of those people died between 1492 and the Pilgrims’ arrival in 1620, most of them felled by European diseases to which they had no immunity. Those who didn’t die saw their territories encroached upon by European settlers, and as the numbers of natives dwindled, so did their languages, cultural practices, religions and rich histories.

Rather than a holiday celebrating one man, let’s have a day where every local community celebrates the native cultures connected to that locale. In New York, we could honor the Algonquin-speaking Lenape; in Utah, there could be a festival for their namesake Utes; in the Dakotas, a celebration of the Sioux, while at the same time recognizing the plight of many Indians on reservations.

Positive steps are already being made in that direction. While Seattle will host an Indigenous Peoples’ Day for a second time this year, nearby Bellingham is considering a move to “Coast Salish Day,” which would honor the specific natives of that area. Not only would this tie the holiday more meaningfully to the community, it would help erode the “Great Man” myth of historical progress and celebrate the immense diversity of the native peoples who still call America home.

Of course, not everyone would be pleased. These days, the strongest argument in favor of the holiday comes from Italian Americans, who helped originally promote Columbus Day as a way to mark their heritage and to celebrate a Catholic hero in a decidedly anti-Catholic country. But does anyone really want to ride a float commemorating a vicious slave trader who caused 50,000 natives to spontaneously commit suicide? I’d argue that they can come up with better symbols of Italian American pride.

As the late, great Italian American Lawrence Peter “Yogi” Berra, once said: “The future ain’t what it used to be.” He was right. Let’s start reimagining that future as one that doesn’t honor Christopher Columbus.




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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mar 13 Oct 2015 - 8:20

Pou yon fwa, konpatriyòt yo te aji kòm pwogresis revolisyonè.
Pandan dechoukaj Janklod lan, yo te tou dechouke Kristof Kolon.
Yo te chavire estati ki te lan Kè Kolon an, lan bisantnè an, epi yo capote l lan lanmè.
Se te yon jès senbolik ke moun kòmanse ap konprann kounyea.


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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mar 13 Oct 2015 - 9:51

OZETAZINI "COLUMBUS DAY" se te yon FET NASYONAL.
Youn apre lot ETA yo ap wete l kom FET.
ETA ki kenbe l kom JOU FERYE ,yo fe l tounen yon JOU pou SONJE "ENDYEN" ki mouri lan JENOSID ke KOLON ak KONPAYEL li yo e sa k te vini apre l yo te fe.

Aye ,mwen t ap tande yon ISTORYEN "pwet pwet" sou yon RADYO ann AYITI di ke VWAYAJ KOLON an se te yon VWAYAJ SYANTIFIK.
ADYE!!!
An 1492 an ESPAY pa t gen SYANS ,pa lan mitan EWOPEYEN.Tout ENSTRIMAN ke KOLON te ize pou vwayaj lan se te lan men MIZILMAN ARAB ak SID SAHARA yo ke l te prann yo.

NEG ki te NAVIGATE pou KOLON an se te ESTEBAN ,yo rele misye tou ESTEVANICO ,se te yon MIZILMAN NWA.

Pou vwayaj lan se te lan yon bi ouvetman LIKRATIF .Depi lan mwatye 15yem syek lan EWOPEYEN yo te konnen ke se sou yon GLOB nou t ap viv ;byen ke CHINWA yo te konn sa 4 ou 5 SYEK anvan sa.

Se lan men CHINWA ak ENDYEN yo ke EWOPEYEN yo te konn achte EPIS e se te yo VWAYAJ ki EKSTREMAN LONG pa TE.

Se te 2 BAGAY ki te tankou LO lan EPOK lan ;se te EPIS ak SEL ;se sa EWOPEYEN yo te ize pou KONSEVE MANJE;pa t gen REFRIJERASYON NATIRELMAN.

Pou KOLON direksyon ke l te pran t ap lage l lan LES lan ;li pa t konnen ke TE an te GWO jan l te ye an.Se rezon sa a ke LE misye te debake li te rele yo "END DE LWES " "WEST INDIES"

VWAYAJ sa a te bon pou yon sel gwoup MOUN ,se te pou EWOPEYEN yo .Se te yon dezas pou tout lot yo ,pou PEP ke misye te jwenn yo ak LAFRIK .
Pep sa yo ap soufri de sa ,jis jounen Jodi an!
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mar 13 Oct 2015 - 16:14

Gen yon pakèt mit ki ap devwale jodya. Kolon pat konnen se an amerik li ta p ale.
Non Amerik lan se non yon italyen ki te deja fè wout saa.  Amerigo Vespucci.
Gen achiv ki montre ke asiatik yo te deja dekouvri kontinan. Yo pase pa Aleutian.
Genyen yon lyen familyal, jenetik, ant aborijèn ki lan Groenland ak sa ki an Amerik diNò, rive jouk Perou.

Epi gen moun meriken ak lòt ki jiskounyea yo se Kavalye Polka Kolon (Knight of Columbus).
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mar 13 Oct 2015 - 18:28

SASAYE ;

Kom ou an CHINE tout tan ,mande pou al vizite kote CHINWA yo te konstwi e lanse VWAYAJ EKSPLORASYON lan komansman 15yem SYEK lan.
PO sa yo la toujou ,paske pou CHINWA,500 ZAN se 500 JOU.
Mwen te we DOK yo lan yon DOKIMANTE sou "HISTORY CHANNEL INTERNATIONAL"

Bato CHINWA yo lan 1420 konsa te 4 FWA pi GWO ke KARAVEL ke KOLON te ize yo.
BATO sa yo te telman avanse pou EPOK lan ke se lan komansman 19yem SYEK lan ke EWOPEYEN yo te ka konstwi BATO ki ka egale BATO CHENG ZHE yo.
Gen ISTORYEN MODEN ki ap mande TET yo kouman fe ke se EWOPEYEN yo ki vin domine MONN lan e se pa CHINWA.
Jis kounye an gen ISTORYEN ki ap mande TET yo sa


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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mar 13 Oct 2015 - 21:33

Jowèl,
Meen konnen istwa Amiral lan, men mwen poko visite kot wès Lachin ki yon gwo peyi. Petèt yon jou ma rive la.
Se limenm ki te rive lan kontinan Amerik anvan Kristof Kolon.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yK-9hxk5HY

Poukisa Lachin pa t dominen lemonn?
Listwa demontre ke peyi saa pi enterese lan devlopman pèp li ak kilti l, venerasyon zansèt ke al okipe teritwa lòt peyi.
Lachin pa janm anvayi lòt peyi. Yo se opoze japonè.

Si w swiv vwayaj Xi Jinping Ozetazini ak lan Loni, wa wè jan misye eksplike filizofi ak ideyoloji chinwa. Se respè ak egalite ak tout peyi kelkeswa grosè peyi yo.
Dialòg ak kowoperasyon pi bon pase konfwontasyon.
Men ya p fòtifye lame yo pou pèsonn pa kapab vinn manke yo dega. Yo di byen fò ke yo aprann leson yo pou ansyen anvayisman pa rive ankò.

Yon lòt pwen ke m remake lan politik chinwa.
Anvan yo pran yon desizyon politik ekonomik e sosyal, genyen yon konsèy palmantè ki fè yon etid apwofondi pou detèminen kisa ki pou fèt.
E sa se pou tout pwojè endistriyèl, enfrastriti, militè, etc...

Mwen kwè ke se konsa Ayiti te dwe chèche kijan pou devlope. Olye tout komisyon korypsyon yo, bay Inivèsite leta fè rechèv sou tout pwojè yo ta anvizaje.
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 5:48

SASAYE;

Mwen fasine pa CHINWA yo ak KILTI yo.
Se yon KILTI ki diferan de pa EWOPEYEN yo.

Lan denye 2000 AN ISTWA yo ;se te peyi ki te pi pwisan sou TE an ,eksepte pandan peryod REVOLISYEN INDISTRIYEL ki komanse ann EWOP lan komansman 1800s yo.

Gen MOUN ki pa konnen ,yo konprann ke se EWOPEYEN ki te envante FIZI ;se te CHINWA .
Se te CHINWA ki te envante KANNON tou ,4 ou 5 SYEK ke EWOPEYEN yo te komanse ize yo.
Kanta FIZI menm se te MIZILMAN yo ki te entwodwi sa lan SID EWOP lan ,yon bagay ke yo te pran lan men CHINWA yo.

Pa bliye ke se CHINWA ki te envante PAPYE ak ENPRIMRI ;depi lan 9yem SYEK.
EWOPEYEN yo ap pale de GUTTENBERG ki te envante ENPRIMRI .Se pa t sa di tou.
Ann EWOP se alamen yo te konn fe LIV ,se rezon sa a ke 99% MOUN ann EWOP te ANALFABET rive lan 15yem SYEK lan.

Pwoblem ke CHINWA te genyen ak ENPRIMRI se te KARAKTE CHINWA yo.Yo plis ke 4000.Yo te difisil pou enprime.

Mwen te we yon EKONOMIS ANGLE sou youn lan TV SHOW yo ;misye se pwofese OXFORD;misye di se petet pa p yon move bagay ke LA CHINE ak premye pwisans lan 21 yem SYEK lan.
LA CHINE te gen kapasite pou l konkeri MONN lan lan 15yem,16yem ak 17yem SYEK si se sa yo te vle fe ;men yo pa t fe sa..
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 8:37

Les amis, c'est les vainqueurs qui ecrivent l'Histoire. Dans le cas de Christophe Colomb, le gars se trompa de route. Il n'est pas dit que Colomb institua l'esclavage, extermina les peuples indigenes. C'est toujours le commerce qui finit par tirer profit des expeditions commanditees ou pas. Colomb ne s'emmena pas plus en conquerant qu'un autre.

Cela dit, je comprends les frustrations des peuples victimes de la "decouverte" tout en me disant qu'on ne peut pas toujours faire le meme debat et incriminer les autres.

En Haiti, on aurait pu demenager le buste de Colomb dans un musee mais parfois la folie l'emporte sur le bon sens si bien que cette statue aurait ete recuperee par les Dominicains memes qui se disent Indios. Hum!

Je ne sais pas ce que l'on croit accomplir avec ces eternels debats qui sont loin de nous. Les Haitiens sont plus catholiques que le pape. De toute facon, nous fimes clairement notre part des 1804 par le geste symbolique de reprendre le nom originel pour notre pays.

JOEL, si tout le monde vient d'Afrique, je suis force de respecter les peuples migrateurs mus par l'instinct de survie tout en laissant des traces, des vestiges de civilisation.

Il parait que les Africains foulerent ce continent bien avant les Europeens.


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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 10:23

MOREAU;

Sou "SCIENCE CHANNEL" mwen gen sou SEVIS KAB mwen ;se tout TAN Y ap diskite sou REYALIZASYON CHINWA yo ,sa LIMANITE dwe yo.

Le SYANTIFIK yo ,AMERIKEN ,ANGLE EWOPEYEN an jeneral ap diskite yo konn di sa yo konprann ke EWOPEYEN ou DESANDAN L yo vle di pou LISTWA LIMANITE yo pa menm apwoche sa ak BOT DESANLYE.

Le n ap diskite ki les ke CHINWA ye ,ki jan yo panse se yon bagay ki DAKTYALITE pou AYISYEN.

Le w di ke AYISYEN pi KATOLIK ke le PAP ;ki sa sa vle di ?
EWOPEYEN yo ou pito FRANSE ki te pote RELIJYON KATOLIK ban nou; yo di ke RELIJYON an ap disparet an FRANS.
Si w pa konnen 27% POPILASYON FRANSE an di yo se ATE.Se pi gwo POUSANTAJ ann EWOP.
LEGLIZ ap plede FEMEN an FRANS ,pa gen ase FIDEL pou yo ;gen anpil PAWAS se PE AFRIKEN y ap enpote pou OPERE yo.

KIDIDONK FRE M ;kite m diskite sou LA CHINE ak CHINWA yo ak SASAYE.Misye ale la souvan.

Kite m di l anko konparezon ant CHINWA ak EWOPEYEN ak DESANDAN l yo DAKTYALITE.

Preske lan tout peyi lan AMERIK se noumenm ki lan bagay KOMINOTE ENTENASYONAL ki gen ETAZINI ak EWOPEYEN yo ke nou ap PAYAYA ak yo.
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 11:26

Mwen te di se te 27% FRANSE ki ATE .Se yon CHIF mwen te we lan NEW YORK TIMES .ATIK sa a limenm di ke se 29 %

Sa menm pi RED ,yon lot KOTE mwen te we a pousantaj ki di yo ATE an ,se pou w ajoute 19% ki di yo AGNOSTIK.
AGNOSTIK vle di ke se MOUN ki di ke yo pa konnen si gen yon BONDYE ou pa ,se pa yon bagay ke yomenm yo "bother" ak sa.
Ki sa sa vle di?
N ap pale de preske mwatye POPILASYON FRANSE an.
Alos NEG ki toujou ap pale de la FRANS yo ;se pou nou "pondere" kesyon sa yo ,paske se FRANSE an ki te entwodwi RELIJYON lan SENDOMENG si nou neglije PANYOL ki te la anvan yo:


Atlantico : Une étude réalisée par l'institut de sondage américain Gallup révèle que l’athéisme est en progression. Un peu moins de 60% de la population mondiale estime être croyante, presque 10% de moins qu’en 2005. 23 % estiment être agnostiques, 13 % athées. C’est en France que le nombre d’athées a le plus progressé, passant de 14 à 29%. Pourtant, dans votre livre Souci de soi, conscience du monde, vous estimez qu’une nouvelle religion émerge et se généralise, que vous appelez individuo-globalisme.

Comment expliquer que de plus en plus de Français s’estiment athées ?

Raphaël Liogier : Cette baisse de la croyance en Dieu révèle moins une baisse réelle de la foi qu’un changement de culture. Une nouvelle culture caractéristique des sociétés dites postindustrielles, autrement dit des sociétés les plus riches de la planète, s’est développée depuis les années 50. Dans cette nouvelle culture le divin a pris de nouvelles formes. Nous assistons depuis un siècle à une révolution religieuse et non à une disparition de la religion.

De plus en plus de gens se disent certes « athées », ce qui signifie, étymologiquement, « qui ne croit pas en Dieu ». Pourtant, les enquêtes que nous avons menées montrent que de plus en plus de ces athées déclarés croient néanmoins à une puissance supérieure, par exemple à une connexion avec la nature, qui donne du sens à leur vie. Dieu n’est que le nom donné à cette puissance supérieure, à l’Absolu, dans un certain contexte religieux, celui du monothéisme biblique.

On se rend compte que ces incroyants croient en quelque chose qu’ils n’appellent plus Dieu, mais qui relève pourtant de cet Absolu. L’image du Dieu biblique, impérieux, vindicatif, ombrageux, lointain, attaché à une certaine contrainte morale, est devenue négative. Dès lors le nom même de Dieu est devenu péjoratif. Le divin se nomme aujourd’hui autrement.

Quel est le nom de ce nouveau Dieu ?

C’est surtout la notion d’énergie qui remplace celle de Dieu. On dira qu’il y a de bonnes énergies dans cette maison ou dans cette nourriture ! On distingue même, ce qui est typiquement religieux, les énergies négatives (représentant le Mal dont il faudrait se débarrasser) des énergies positives (qu’il faudrait cultiver en soi et autour de soi, parce qu’elles expriment le Bien). Cette révolution a commencé au XVIIIème siècle. L’énergie est devenue l’objet de toutes les spéculations, à la fois scientifiques et spirituelles. L’un des pères de l’hypnotisme, Messmer (d’où « to mesmerize » en anglais, hypnotiser), fut un des principaux promoteurs de la croyance en un magnétisme animal, selon laquelle une force vitale existerait en nous et dans la nature. Ce principe vital donnerait un sens à l’univers, une direction. Même Hegel s’est intéressé de près au magnétisme animal. Au XXe siècle, les croyances magnétiques donnent progressivement naissance à ce que l’on peut appeler un véritable culte de l’énergie. Le succès des religions extrême-orientales en Occident - surtout le bouddhisme, l’hindouisme, le taoïsme, avec des pratiques comme le yoga, le qi-gong, et les notions de chakra, de méridiens d’énergie - va participer à la normalisation et à la généralisation de ce culte énergétique.


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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 12:32

;kite m diskite sou LA CHINE ak CHINWA yo ak SASAYE.Misye ale la souvan.

Pou plis presizyon, mwen rete Honk Kong kote mwen viv ak madanm mwen ki se  natifnatal peyi saa. Hong Kong se SAR ( Special Administrative Region) Lachinn.
Mwen vwayaje Vankouvè chak twa mwa. Mwen pase yon mwa pou regle biznis,
Kenbe kontak ak pitit, pititpitit ak zanmi.
Nef mwa an Chin, 3 mwa Kanada, chak ane.

Ma p fè edikasyon m lan peyi saa.
Pi gwo pwoblèm se metrize lang chinwa a.
Pou kominikasyon konpitè, ifone ak tablèt, genyen yon ti ekran kote chinwa a ekri yon karaktè ak dwèt li epi touswit yon gwoup mo parèt pou dekri sa moun nan vle ekri, epi ak yon vitès enkwayab yo redije yon teks an chinwa.

Toulejou map gade madanm mwen ap fè sa.
Antouka si yo te gen pwoblèm ak enprimri, yo rezoud sa lontan e yo devan ak teknik digital.

Erèzman mwen gen madanm saa, paske li tap difisil  pou viv lan peyi saa.
HK se yon ansyen koloni Angle, men de mwens an mwens moun pale angle.
Gen de kote, menm gwo magazen, ou pa jwen moun ki pale angle.
Sa k pi rèd majorite restoran lokal gen menu ekri an chinwa sèlman.

Men mwen pi enfòme sou sa k ap pase sou planèt lan ke lèm Okanada.
Media kanadyen ak meriken kache anpil nouvèl. Yo pa bay detay kisa k ap pase
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SASAYE;
Pwoblem mwen vle di ke yo te genyen ak ENPRIMRI ,apre yo te fin envante l;se akoz de jan LANG CHINWA a ye .
Tankou w konnen ,lan LANG CHINWA a ,le yo ekri pou w reprezante yon GASON se yon MOUN ki kanpe ki reprezante sa ak yon BA.
Pou yon FANM se tankou yon MOUN men se 2 BA .

Gen de SYEK ke CHINWA yo metrize sa pou yo ka ENPRIME;men yo te pran yon ti TAN.
Ann EWOP ak ALFABE LATEN an ,li te pi FASIL pou EWOPEYEN yo metrize ENPRIMRI;men se pa t yo ki te envante l.

Gen yon ZAM ke yo rele ARQUEBUSE en FRANCE ou byen "CROSS BOW" en ANGLAIS se CHINWA yo ki te envante l tou.
Le yo te ENTWODWI ZAM sa a ann EWOP lan 13zyem SYEK ,PAP lan EPOK lan te mande pou mete l "hors la loi" si telman ZAM sa a ,ak FLECH te "accurate".

CHINWA te fe l OTOMATIK ;sa vle di ou mete yon bann FLECH e lan yon MINIT ou kapab tire 20 ak 30 FLECH.
Yo di ke si CHINWA yo pa t femen FWONTYE yo e kontinye envante ZAM ,ke lan lanne 1700 yo ,yo t ap kapab envante ZAM a FE OTOMATIK san PWOBLEM lan 18yem syek.
Se yon bagay ke EWOPEYEN yo ou byen AMERIKEN yo te vin fe lan 2zyem mwatye 19yem SYEK lan.

Se NAPOLEON ki te konn ISTWA CHINWA yo ki te di l.
Misye te di ke se pou EWOP BAT BRAVO ke LA CHINE lan domi ;misye ajoute ke le LA CHINE reveye TOUT TE an ap tranble ;misye te kwe ke le LA CHINE reyantre MONN lan y ap reklame SIPREMASI yo anko
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 16:53

JOEL,

Rien n'est plus d'actualité que de parler de la situation de la Chine dans le monde moderne. Et pour bien la saisir, il faut tenir compte de l'histoire millénaire de ce pays. La culture chinoise ne m'est pas étrangère. Je parlais surtout des États africains.

Je disais seulement que Christophe Colomb ne fut pas l'instigateur de l'extermination des peuples indigènes de l'Amérique et de la traite des Noirs même si l'individu est devenu une cible favorite pour certains anti-impérialistes. En fait, Colomb marchait dans le sillage de Marco Polo qui connut la Chine deux siècles avant que Colomb ne se perdît de ce côté-ci.

Cette histoire de dire LAN MED COLOMB rappelle les scènes regrettables du lendemain du 7 février 1986. Les Haïtiens hurlent contre l'impérialisme américain mais quand on est à Port-au-Prince, on se croit presque dans une ville étrangère; des rues et des quartiers du centre-ville comme des ghettos portent désormais des noms officiels américains. Qu'est-ce qu'ils ont fait pour mériter tant de révérence en Haïti?

Haïti devrait célébrer ses propres héros avant de faire de la place pour des personnalités étrangères. La souveraineté commence par là aussi.
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 18:37

Bagay MARCO POLO sa a ,plis LEJANN ke reyalite.Se yon istwa ANBELI.

Sa MARCO POLO te ap di yo ,ITALYEN yo te konprann se te FAB .Misye t ap pale de VIL PWOP ,byen TRASE ak gwo PAK ke l te we an CHINE.

Se pa t sou TRAS MARCO POLO ke KOLON te ye ;paske LEWOP t ap fe KOMES ak la CHINE ak LEND ;lan sa yo rele "silk road" lan.

SILK ROAD paske "SWA" NOBILITE ann EWOP t ap mete sou yo se la yo te soti.

PWOBLEM lan se pa VWA TERES ke KARAVANN sa yo te pase ,bagay ki te konn dire plis ke 6 MWA ak anpil DANJE ATAK sou KARAVANN sa yo.

Se te yon lot WOUT pi SI ke KOLON t ap chache.
EWOPEYEN te konnen ke "LA TERRE EST RONDE" men pou yo TE an te 100 fwa pi piti ke jan l te ye vre.
Yo pa t konnen Ekzistans OSEYAN PASIFIK lan ,pi gwo OSEYAN sou PLANET lan.

Kanta ke n ap chache EWO an ,se pou nou pale de EWO AYISYEN?
Nou fe de SYEK ap pale de ewo ewopeyen .Ki diferans ke olye de EWOPEYEN nou pale de CHINWA.
Sitou ke CHINWA yo ki te pi GWO PWISANS sou PLANET lan ,pa t janm fe nou anyen.

Le CHENG ZHE ak yon FLOT de SANTEN de BATO ,ak 22 MIL SOLDA sou BATO yo ;le misye te kontakte LAFRIK de LES ,kote TANGANIKA ak ZANZIBAR ye ak lot kote ;pa menm yon sel fwa li te ATAKE MOUN yo.
EKSPEDISYON sa a ,si yo te vle konkeri LAFRIK ,ou byen LAFRIK DE LES pa gen anyen AFRIKEN yo t a kap fe.
Ou pran plis ke 300 BATO ak yon MINIMOM 40 KANNON a BO CHAK BATO sa yo.
IMAJINE sa!
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 21:02

Jowèl,
Lachin ap rekonstitye Silk Road ( Wout Swa) a.
Travay konstriksyon deja kòmanse.
Yo pral swiv menm wout lan rive Ròm anpasan pa Latiki.
Men yo pral mete tren grann vitès epi tout aparèy lojistik modèn.
Plizyè milya deja envesti lan pwojè saa.

Yon pwojè konsa te dwe lan tout nouvèl, men mwen pa kwè piblik an jeneral tande pale de sa lan medya meriken.
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China’s Great Game: Road to a new empire
By Charles Clover and Lucy Hornby


FT series: A modern Silk Road is Beijing’s signature foreign policy

“The granaries in all the towns are brimming with reserves, and the coffers are full with treasures and gold, worth trillions,” wrote Sima Qian, a Chinese historian living in the 1st century BC. “There is so much money that the ropes used to string coins together rot and break, an innumerable amount. The granaries in the capital overflow and the grain goes bad and cannot be eaten.”

He was describing the legendary surpluses of the Han dynasty, an age characterised by the first Chinese expansion to the west and south, and the establishment of trade routes later known as the Silk Road, which stretched from the old capital Xi’an as far as ancient Rome.
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Fast forward a millennia or two, and the same talk of expansion comes as China’s surpluses grow again. There are no ropes to hold its $4tn in foreign currency reserves — the world’s largest — and in addition to overflowing granaries China has massive surpluses of real estate, cement and steel.

After two decades of rapid growth, Beijing is again looking beyond its borders for investment opportunities and trade, and to do that it is reaching back to its former imperial greatness for the familiar “Silk Road” metaphor. Creating a modern version of the ancient trade route has emerged as China’s signature foreign policy initiative under President Xi Jinping.

“It is one of the few terms that people remember from history classes that does not involve hard power . . . and it’s precisely those positive associations that the Chinese want to emphasise,” says Valerie Hansen, professor of Chinese history at Yale University.

Xi’s big idea
If the sum total of China’s commitments are taken at face value, the new Silk Road is set to become the largest programme of economic diplomacy since the US-led Marshall Plan for postwar reconstruction in Europe, covering dozens of countries with a total population of over 3bn people. The scale demonstrates huge ambition. But against the backdrop of a faltering economy and the rising strength of its military, the project has taken on huge significance as a way of defining China’s place in the world and its relations — sometimes tense — with its neighbours.

Economically, diplomatically and militarily Beijing will use the project to assert regional leadership in Asia, say experts. For some, it spells out a desire to establish a new sphere of influence, a modern-day version of the 19th century Great Game, where Britain and Russia battled for control in central Asia.
“The Silk Road has been part of Chinese history, dating back to the Han and Tang dynasties, two of the greatest Chinese empires,” says Friedrich Wu, a professor at the S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore. “The initiative is a timely reminder that China under the Communist party is building a new empire.”
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According to former officials, the grand vision for a new Silk Road began life modestly in the bowels of China’s commerce ministry. Seeking a way to deal with serious overcapacity in the steel and manufacturing sectors, commerce officials began to hatch a plan to export more. In 2013, the programme received its first top-level endorsement when Mr Xi announced the “New Silk Road” during a visit to Kazakhstan.

Since the president devoted a second major speech to the plan in March — as concerns over the economic slowdown mounted — it has snowballed into a significant policy and acquired a clunkier name: “One Belt, One Road”. The belt refers to the land trade route linking central Asia, Russia and Europe. The road, oddly, is a reference to a maritime route via the western Pacific and Indian Ocean.
In some countries Beijing is pushing at an open door. Trade between China and the five central Asian states — Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan — has grown dramatically since 2000, hitting $50bn in 2013, according to the International Monetary Fund. China now wants to build the roads and pipelines needed to smooth access to the resources it needs to continue its development.

Mr Xi started to offer more details about the scheme earlier this year with an announcement of $46bn in investments and credit lines in a planned China-Pakistan economic corridor, ending at the Arabian Sea port of Gwadar. In April, Beijing announced plans to inject $62bn of its foreign exchange reserves into the three state-owned policy banks that will finance the expansion of the new Silk Road. Some projects, already on the drawing board, seem to have been co-opted into the new scheme by bureaucrats and businesspeople scrambling to peg their plans to Mr Xi’s policy.

“They are just putting a new slogan on stuff they’ve wanted to do for a long time,” says one western diplomat.
“It’s like a Christmas tree,” says Scott Kennedy, deputy director at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “You can hang a lot of policy goals on it, but no one has done a proper economic analysis. The government money they are putting in is not enough; they hope to bring in private capital, but would private capital want to invest? Will it make money?”
As well as offering a glimpse of China’s ambition, the new Silk Road presents a window into how macroeconomic policy is made in Beijing — often on the hoof, with bureaucrats scurrying to flesh out vague and sometimes contradictory statements from on high. “Part of this is top down, part of this is bottom up, but there is nothing in the middle so far,” says a former Chinese official.
“The rest of the bureaucracy is trying to catch up to where Xi has planted the flag,” says Paul Haenle, director of the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center in Beijing. “This is something that Xi announces and then the bureaucracy has to make something of it. They have to put meat on the bones.”

Some clues emerged in March when the powerful National Development and Reform Commission, China’s central planning body, published a clunky document, “Visions and Actions on Jointly Building Silk Road Economic Belt and 21st-century Maritime Silk Road”. It provides a great deal of detail in some places — such as which book fairs will be held — but is patchy in others, like which countries are included. Peru, Sri Lanka and even the UK are included in some versions of semi-official maps but left out of others.
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Tom Mitchell reports from Xinjiang, a remote and resource-rich region three times the size of France that is key to President Xi Jinping’s Silk Road project. But Beijing’s policies seem only to fan the flames of ethnic unrest in the region.
A complete list appears to exist, however. On April 28 the commerce ministry announced that Silk Road countries account for 26 per cent of China’s foreign trade, a remarkably precise statistic. However, a request from the Financial Times for more specific details on the list of nations went unanswered.
There is also no indication yet of how it will be run — through its own bureaucracy, or as separate departments in different ministries and policy banks. With foreign governments and multinational banks eagerly following the Delphic utterances from Beijing to understand what it means, the vagueness and confusion has not gone unnoticed.

“If we want to talk to the Silk Road,” says a diplomat from a neighbouring state, “we don’t know who to call.”
As the country’s economic interests expand abroad, its massive security apparatus and military will probably be pulled into a greater regional role. China has no foreign military bases and steadfastly insists that it does not interfere in the domestic politics of any country. But a draft antiterrorism law for the first time legalises the posting of Chinese soldiers on foreign soil, with the consent of the host nation.

China’s military is also eager to get its share of the political and fiscal largesse that accompanies the new Silk Road push. One former US official says he was told by senior generals in the People’s Liberation Army that the One Belt, One Road strategy would have a “security component”.

Projects in unstable areas will inevitably test China’s policy of avoiding security entanglements abroad. Pakistan has assigned 10,000 troops to protect Chinese investment projects, while in Afghanistan, US troops have so far protected a Chinese-invested copper mine.

Port construction in countries like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan has led some analysts to question whether China’s ultimate aim is dual-use naval logistics facilities that could be put into service controlling sea lanes, a strategy dubbed the “String of Pearls”.

Achieving the trust of wary neighbours including Vietnam, Russia and India is not a given, and is consistently being undermined by sustained muscle flexing by China elsewhere. In the South China Sea, for example, naval confrontations have increased in the face of aggressive maritime claims by Beijing.

Exporting overcapacity
Lenin’s theory that imperialism is driven by capitalist surpluses seems to hold true, oddly, in one of the last (ostensibly) Leninist countries in the world. It is no coincidence that the Silk Road strategy coincides with the aftermath of an investment boom that has left vast overcapacity and a need to find new markets abroad.

“Construction growth is slowing and China doesn’t need to build many new expressways, railways and ports, so they have to find other countries that do,” says Tom Miller of Beijing consultancy Gavekal Dragonomics. “One of the clear objectives is to get more contracts for Chinese construction companies overseas.”
Like the Marshall Plan, the new Silk Road initiative looks designed to use economic treats as a way to address other vulnerabilities. China’s western frontiers and its central Asian neighbours are home to vast reserves of oil and gas. The Xinjiang region, sitting on some of China’s largest energy reserves and crucial to the Silk Road project, is also home to a restive Muslim Uighur population that is culturally Turkish, far poorer than the citizens of coastal China and seeking a break with Beijing. The region has been the scene of serious outbreaks of violence in recent years.

A push into central Asia will partly fill the vacuum left by the retreat of Moscow after the cold war, followed by Washington’s military pullback from Afghanistan next year. With Beijing saying it is facing a rising terrorist threat, stabilising the wider region is a priority.

But, in doing so, China will inherit the same chicken and egg problem that has plagued the US in its “nation building” attempts — having to ask whether security and stability is a pre-requisite for economic development, or whether, as Beijing appears to believe, it can pacify local conflicts with a sea of investment and infrastructure spending.

Combating radical Islam
If this approach does not work, China will be faced with some grim alternatives — either turn tail and leave, or risk getting bogged down in security commitments and local politics. It has made clear that it does not want to replace the US in Afghanistan nor does it see itself as a regional policeman. “China will not fall into the same mistakes,” says Jia Jinjing, a specialist on south Asia at Beijing’s Renmin University.

Economic development, strategists in Beijing argue, will remove the appeal of radical Islam in China and Pakistan, Afghanistan and central Asia. But critics note that culturally insensitive policies, an enormous security presence and economic strategies that benefit Chinese communities at the expense of locals have so far only escalated tensions in Xinjiang, the desert region that has 22 per cent of China’s domestic oil reserves and 40 per cent of its coal deposits.

Roads and pipelines across Pakistan and Myanmar will ultimately allow China to avoid another strategic vulnerability — the chokepoint of the Strait of Malacca, through which about 75 per cent of its oil imports pass. Already, half of China’s natural gas arrives overland from central Asia, thanks to an expensive strategy by Mr Xi’s predecessors to cut dependence on seaborne imports.
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While some neighbours will welcome the investment, it is less clear they will want China’s overcapacity. Many have unemployment and underperforming steel mills of their own, or ambitions to develop their own industry rather than import someone else’s.

Large-scale investment could also trigger concerns about opening the floodgates to Chinese economic dominance — as it has done in Myanmar and Sri Lanka — and, by extension, political influence. But China is hoping the lure of massive spending will prove too great an incentive for its neighbours to resist.
“They [Beijing] don’t have much soft power, because few countries trust them,” says Mr Miller. “They either can’t or don’t want to use military power. What they have is huge amounts of money.”

Additional reporting by Michael Peel and Ma Fangjing
Next in the series: Why the troubled province of Xinjiang is crucial to Beijing’s ambitions

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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Mer 14 Oct 2015 - 23:38

On a parle des grands projets chinois mais on est en campagne electorale au Canada et en pleines primaires aux Etats-Unis.

Oui, Joel, que craignent plus les Americains? Le terrorisme ou la Chine?
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 6:34

MOREAU;

Pou ETAZINI ak LA CHINE ;KABRIT lan deja antre lan jaden an;two TA pou femen BARYE.
M ap ba w CHIF ki ap diskite.
Lan 20 a 25 AN ;EKONOMI CHINWA ap double pa ETAZINI an.
ETAZINI dwe LA CHINE 1300 MILYA DOLA (MIL TWA SAN);LA CHINE pa dwe pesonn ,okontre;

La CHINE genyen 4 MIL MILYA an deviz ETRANJE ,DOLA ak EURO.
Yo pa ka mete LAJAN sa a ,lan EKONOMI yo an ,paske sa ap pwovoke ENFLASYON .ENFLASYON KORYAS pou kontwole.
ISTORYEN AMERIKEN ap di ke se pou premye FWA lan LISTWA 300 DENYE LANNE yo ke yon pwisans DOMINAN ap deplase yon lot san la GE.
Si se pa t pou DISWASYON NIKLEYE ,ETAZINI t ap atake CHINWA yo lontan.

SASAYE;
NEW YORK TIMES ekri plizye ATIK sou SILK ROAD lan.Ak bagay sa a yo di ke LA CHINE ap pasyelman domine LEWWOP.
Se plis ke 7000 miles ,plis ke 10000 KM CHEMEN D FE,ki menm jan ak WOUT ANSYEN an ap rive lan WOM.
Sa k pi RED lan CHINWA yo ap ranplase tren DIZEL to ak TREN A GRANN VITES.

Yon lot bagay ke NEW YORK TIMES ap pale se TREN CHINWA yo komanse konstwi lan AMERIK lan.
Y ap konstwi yon TREN A GRANN VITES lan MEKSIK ;lan BREZIL y ap konstwi anviwon 5000 KM TREN ,paske yo bezwen SOYA ak lot RESOUS lan BREZIL.
Se menm bagay lan y ap fe lan PEROU ak LAJANTIN.
Menm lan ti ONDIRAS ,y ap konstwi 350 mil long tren ki se plis ke 500 KM.
Gen ti difikilte ,men y ap avanse sou PWOJE sa yo.

Menm OZETAZINI yo vle konstwi TREN.CHINWA yo te pwopoze pou yo konstwi yon TREN A GRANN VITES ki t ap soti LOS ANGELES pou rive LAS VEGAS.
Se yomenm ki t ap finanse PWOJE sa a ,menm jan ke yo toujou fe l
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 9:58

Personne ne vous empeche de discuter avec Sasaye mais je ne suis pas oblige d'aller la ou vous aimez rediriger le sujet. J'ai seulement dit que cette hargne contre Christophe Colomb rappelle trop un certain appel au dechoukay.

Sasaye a ecrit qu'il vit a Hong Kong. Je n'ai pas compris en Chine continentale. Tous ces projets sont rapportes dans les nouvelles sauf que comme ce sont des questions domestiques, et comme tous ces informations sont mises en lien, on ne les etale pas pour se concentrer sur les elections.

Je comprends bien la strategie chinoise en Occident. Comme on dit, l'argent a peut-etre de l'odeur hum! mais pas de couleur en capitalisme.

Une multitude de millionaires viennent s'etablir en Occident dont l'Amerique. Ils achetent des maisons a coup de million au Canada, ce qui derange, dit-on, le marche immobilier. Ils achetent des commerces, des vieilles proprietes familiales dans des regions rurales ou ils n'hesitent a s'installer. Quand on verifie, tout ce beau monde n'est pas la a cause de persecution politique. De tout temps, malgre un regime autoritaire, les Chinois en Occident ont fait confiance a leurs dirigeants sur les questions d'argent et de politique.

L'Haitien est fort en bourrage de crane...

En passant, j'ai des alliances chinoises dans ma famille elargie. Et mon cousin a visite la Chine lors des Olympiques. D'apres ses observations, l'on ne devrait pas se fier a du vernis puisque la Chine fait aussi face a de nombreux problemes internes.

Pour ce qui est d'Haiti, je ne peux pas croire que des types s'emballent jusqu'a supposer que la Chine va s'amener avec une corne d'abondance en Haiti. Bounda kk net.
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 10:31

MOREAU;

Ou paka "KORIDO" tout DISKISYON yo.
Zafe ke LA CHINE gen pwoblem ENTEN lan ;ki peyi ki pa gen pwoblem ENTEN??

Ou an ti jan pasyal ak OKSIDAN an (so called).Tankou anpil peyi AFRIKEN ap di l ;la CHINE pa t janm mete yon KOUTO anba GOJ yo ;pou se pran yo t ap pran e yo pa t bay anyen!

Bagay pou MOUN pa TANN ke la CHINE ap devese LAJAN sou AYITI an.
POZE!!!
Yap devese LAJAN lan DOMINIKANI ,lan JAMAYIK ,lan BAHAMAS ,lan KIBA .Se tout peyi ki antoure nou yo ;alos AYITI ta yon peye espesyal pou yo pa ta lage LAJAN sou AYITI?

E le yap depanse lan peyi sa yo .se de MILYA DOLA wi.
Kanta KOSTARIKA menm ,la CHINE transfome li .

Mwen menm m ap di tout ABOLOTCHO ke yo rele "OKSIDAN" yo ,al chita BOUNDA yo yon kote ,pou bagay serye regle.

OKSIDAN pa gen LAJAN anko;SAKOCH CHINWA yo ranpli jis lan BOUNDA yo!

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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 10:53

Cher Moreau


Quand Joel parle des investissements chinois dans les pays sud Américains ou en Afrique , il présente des faits. Il  a donné des exemples d' investissements chinois en Republique Dominicaine , en Jamaique  , au  Nicaragua pour ne citer que ces pays-là.  C'est dans la même suite logique que Joel suggère aux haitiens d'aller vers la chine . Je ne peux pas croire que la Chine refuserait d'investir en Haiti comme elle a fait ailleurs .


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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 11:06

SASAYE;
Atik sa a ,ap pale de PWOJE CHEMEN D FE ke LA CHINE genyen lan AMERIK lan.
Lan ti ONDIRAS y ap konstwi yon CHEMEN D FE KI AP 375 MIL long ;savle di plis ke 600 KM.

Pouki sa yo pa ta ka konstwi youn ki soti PODPE ak FO-LIBETE ki rive JEREMI.
Mwen pa we sa ki ka anpeche sa.

Nou ka we ke ny times an bon JOUNAL "ESTABLISHMENT" AMERIKEN an ap souliye ti DIFIKILTE.
CHINWA pa lan RANS ,yo pa lan pale met la ;se konsa yo fonksyone depi plis ke 2000 AN.
http://nytimes.com/2015/10/04/world/americas/chinas-ambitious-rail-projects-crash-into-harsh-realities-in-latin-america.

China’s Ambitious Rail Projects Crash Into Harsh Realities in Latin America

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By SIMON ROMEROOCT. 3, 2015

Workers at a BRF food company plant in Lucas do Rio Verde, Brazil, that exports animal protein. Overall trade between China and Latin America surged to $285 billion in 2014 from $12 billion in 2000. Credit Marizilda Cruppe for The New York Times

LUCAS DO RIO VERDE, Brazil — The ambitions are dizzying, some of the grandest in Latin America since thousands of laborers perished building railways through the forbidding jungles of Brazil more than a century ago.

China has sought to build a “dry canal” in the form of a railway across Colombia, linking the Caribbean to the Pacific. Chinese investors announced another huge venture in Honduras, two ports and a 375-mile railroad from sea to sea. Then this June, China announced yet another megarailway — nearly 10 times as long — across Brazil and Peru, stretching from one coast of South America to the other.


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But across the region, one large Chinese rail venture after another has come crashing against the hard realities of Latin American politics, resistance from environmental groups, and a growing wariness toward China. While China boasts of its rail initiatives around the world, it has often been stymied here in Latin America, reflecting how even China’s formidable ambitions have limits.

A corn harvest in Lucas do Rio Verde, a farming outpost of 70,000 people. The city is almost in the middle of a proposed 3,300-mile rail route that some residents hope will transform it into a major agricultural shipping hub. Credit Marizilda Cruppe for The New York Times

Now, new worries over China’s economic growth are raising more doubts about the blitz of what China calls its “railroad diplomacy,” as parts of Latin America reel from their dependence on China.

The enormous twin-ocean railroad across Brazil and Peru, in particular, “will be a crucial test of China’s mettle as a global power and the potential for greater acquiescence in South America to the designs that China has on our resources,” said José Eustáquio Diniz Alves, a Brazilian scholar.

“We’re experiencing the downside of our overreliance on China now that the opaque Chinese economy is in flux,” he added. “Imagine what will happen if this railway somehow advances, bringing with it environmental devastation and even more leverage for China in our affairs.”

More than 100 years ago, Americans were among the foreigners who rolled into the heart of South America with ambitious plans to build railways. The ruins of their grand designs for the Brazilian Amazon, called the Devil’s Railway because of the thousands of workers who died building it, are a testament to the dangers of relying too heavily on commodity exports.

Officials slowly abandoned the railroad, parts of which are now swallowed by jungle, after rubber prices collapsed generations ago. These days, China is the one suffering an array of setbacks in railroad projects across the region, at a time when the demand for Latin America’s commodities — like soybeans, iron ore, copper and oil — has slowed.

Last November, Mexico abruptly canceled a Chinese-led bid to build a $4.3 billion high-speed rail system after accusations that the Mexican government had favored contractors who were part of the consortium.

In Honduras, two years have passed since Chinese investors announced the railway linking the Caribbean Sea to the Pacific. Yet Miguel Servellón, an official with the state agency promoting the project, said it was “still a long way from happening,” listing obstacles like a complex environmental approval process.

In another project aimed at finding an alternative to the Panama Canal, the Colombian president, Juan Manuel Santos, said four years ago that Colombia and China had a plan that was “quite advanced” to build a railway linking the Pacific to the Caribbean. But the mood has changed considerably since then.

Otaviano Pivetta, the mayor of Lucas do Rio Verde, Brazil, said of the rail project: “Sure, I’d like this to happen, but we cannot ignore the obstacles.” Credit Marizilda Cruppe for The New York Times

“It’s a subject that was mentioned in 2011 and subsequently had minimal relevance,” said Daniela Sánchez, the director of the Colombia-China Chamber of Commerce.

In Venezuela, Chinese companies actually broke ground on a 290-mile high-speed railway, part of a grandiose plan by President Hugo Chávez, to “rebalance” the population away from the coast.

But while Venezuela’s government boasted that passenger service would start in 2012, the project has been fraught for years with work stoppages and money shortfalls on the Venezuelan side. The Chinese authorities say that more than half of the railway has been built, though Venezuelan news media reported in June that work camps on the route had been abandoned.

“The process would be faster if we had abundant capital,” Liang Enguang, deputy general manager of the China Railway Engineering Corporation’s Venezuelan unit, told reporters.

An even bigger project floated by a Chinese telecommunications tycoon, a 172-mile canal across Nicaragua, intended as a rival to the Panama Canal, has been met with broad skepticism about its feasibility as well as protests by farmers living along the proposed route.

Despite the obstacles, China has pressed ahead with the twin-ocean railway across Brazil and Peru, building on trade between China and Latin America that surged to $285 billion in 2014, from $12 billion in 2000, according to figures from the International Monetary Fund.

Lucas do Rio Verde, a farming outpost of 70,000 people, could find itself almost in the middle of the proposed 3,300-mile route, raising hopes that it could be transformed into a major agricultural shipping hub.

But in the shadows of the grain silos towering over soybean fields and the meat-processing plant here, the responses have often involved more shrugging than jumping for joy.


China’s enormous overseas spending has helped it displace the United States and Europe as the leading financial power in large parts of the developing world.

“I don’t doubt that China has the money and know-how to make this happen,” said Ricardo Tomczyk, the president of an industry group representing soybean farmers. But “we know that Brazil’s bureaucracy is more formidable than building a railway across the peaks of the Andes.”

More enthusiastic supporters of the venture argue that the recent flux in the Chinese economy is merely a blip in China’s rise in Latin America. Though some economists have noted the steady decline in China’s foreign currency reserves, Chinese banks and engineering companies are still expected to have ample funds for the $10 billion project, they say, despite the recent drop in China’s currency, the renminbi.

In fact, some political analysts say that the decline in commodity prices and Brazil’s stumbling economy could actually enhance China’s bargaining power, helping it to persuade the local authorities to accept Chinese terms for the railway.

“Barring a more intense crisis in China, Chinese investors still wield enormous financial clout, far more than the strained players in the Brazilian market,” said André Nassif, an economist at Fundação Getúlio Vargas, an elite university in Rio de Janeiro.

Still, political leaders, farmers and environmental activists are eyeing China’s difficulties in completing railroads elsewhere in Latin America. They point out Brazil’s particularly nettlesome bureaucracy, its laws prohibiting China from hiring its own laborers, a web of auditing courts, and the capacity of dozens of different prosecutors to cripple megaprojects with lawsuits.

“On top of all that, we have a very fragile government,” said Otaviano Pivetta, the mayor of Lucas do Rio Verde, noting the push to impeach President Dilma Rousseff, who supports the Chinese railway project. “Sure, I’d like this to happen, but we cannot ignore the obstacles.”

China already outranks the United States as Brazil’s largest trading partner. But while Chinese demand for commodities fueled the growth of farming cities like Lucas do Rio Verde, exports of soybeans and corn are still largely taken to ports on deplorable public roads like BR-163, a 1,097-mile route cutting across the Amazon.

Stretches of the road remain unpaved, raising freight costs. When it rains, some truckers along muddy stretches simply find themselves stuck for days.
The BR-163 highway. Exports of soybeans and corn are still largely taken to ports on deplorable public roads like the highway, a 1,097-mile route across the Amazon with unpaved


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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 12:42

Marc H, je ne demens rien sur la presence grandissante de la Chine a l'etranger. Je suis l'un des premiers a avoir demande qu'Haiti s'ouvre a la Chine. Les faits sont disponibles pour tous ceux qui suivent l'actualite.

J'ai juste dit que cette histoire de deboulonner Christophe Colomb n'est qu'un pretexte. JOEL et Co. aime revenir avec du rechauffe pour faire marcher...

Je ne lis pas les longs textes dans le site et je n'ai pas besoin de rattraper le temps dans Wikipedia et de passer ensuite pour un DOC-umente.

L'Haitien bluffe. Il a beau etaler les millions de problemes du pays, il a beau crier a bas l'imperialisme mais il est condamne a reproduire l'information de l'autre.

J'ai ete un peu choque qu'on ait pris a la lettre mes paroles selon lesquelles Sweet Micky merite la potence et que les Haitiens sont plus catholiques que le pape.

Je vous signale que depuis un bon moment je note des signes d'oubli et d'egarement. C'est la nature humaine: ca s'encrasse et degenere.

J'aurais prefere que les save m'expliquent les conditions dans lesquelles la Chine investirait en Haiti.A ce que je sache, puisque moi j'ai foule le beton plusieurs fois, Haiti n'a pas les ressources meme pour des relations neocoloniales avec la Chine.

Les Chinois ont leurs merites, il est vrai, mais les save doivent expliquer les bases des echanges et des investissements chinois au Bresil, dans les Caraibes et en Afrique.

Bon. Voici ce livre d'un medecin qui va certainement interesser les femmes haitiennes. C'est un francais et je m'en fous.
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 14:12

J'ai juste dit que cette histoire de deboulonner Christophe Colomb n'est qu'un pretexte. JOEL et Co. aime revenir avec du rechauffe pour faire marcher...

Je ne lis pas les longs textes dans le site et je n'ai pas besoin de rattraper le temps dans Wikipedia et de passer ensuite pour un DOC-umente.


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Se donk yon SIJE AKTYALITE ,OZETAZINI.

ATIK sa a sou sa la chine ap fe lan AMERIK lan sou CHEMEN D FE yo;se sou NEW YORK TIMES yo te pibliye l sa pa gen LONTAN.

Alos le w ap di ke se sou WIKIPEDIA MOUN prale pou yo montre yo DOC-imante mwen pa konn de ki sa w ap pale.

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Sa pa bezwen sa .
Si m di yon bagay ki pa sa ou gen dwa kontredi m ;san w pa bezwen fe l PESONEL.

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RESPE ke w genyen pou sa yo rele OKSIDANTO yo ;mwen pa genyen l pou yo.
Se TOUT tan gen AMERIKEN de SOUCH ki ap di ke SIVILIZASYON EWOPEYEN yo se yon SIVILIZASYON RAPIN ,KOUPE D GOJ ,konpare ak lot SIVILIZASYON.

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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 21:40

Se pa rayi moun rayi Kristofkolon non. Se yon koreksyon istorik pou yon istwa ki pa t kòrèk.

Koreksyon saa se pa lan Fowomayiti sèlman li ye.
Yon moun lan Detroit vandalize yon estati Kristof. Yo plonje yon rachòt lan figi misye lan estati an epi yo kouvri l ak penti wouj.
Saa se yon ak vyolans ki depase kòmantè sou sit lan.

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Christopher Columbus Statue Gets an Axe to the Face
by Claire Voon on October 13, 2015


In a not-so-subtle act of defiance against the contentious Christopher Columbus, someone in Detroit celebrated Columbus Day this year by taping an ax to a bust commemorating the explorer, splashing on some red paint for full dramatic effect, the Detroit Free Press reported. The hatchet was removed shortly after the discovery of the defacement, and city officials cleaned the fake blood this morning, according to HistoricDetroit.org. Cristoforo is now squeaky clean, after receiving a 10-minute scrub courtesy of a power washer, and he continues to preside over a busy intersection in downtown Detroit, near city hall. The culprit has not yet been caught.

The bust, made of bronze with a Travertine marble base, is the work of Italian sculptor Augusto Rivalta and was dedicated exactly 105 years ago on Columbus Day, in honor of the city’s Italian population. It also features a plaque that describes Columbus as a “great son of Italy” who “discovered America.”

This hasn’t been a great year for the 15th-century colonizer. In July, he somehow got caught up in another public art protest far beyond his time, when vandals in Boston tagged another statue of Columbus with red paint. There they left a more anachronistic message: “Black Lives Matter.”

http://hyperallergic.com/244793/christopher-columbus-statue-gets-an-axe-to-the-face
h/t Detroit Free Press
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Jeu 15 Oct 2015 - 22:22


Sasaye a ecrit qu'il vit a Hong Kong. Je n'ai pas compris en Chine continentale.

Hong Kong est partie intégrante de la Chine continentale. Cette dernière connotation s'applique en référence avec Taiwan, qui est une grande île, complètement détachée du continent.

Hong Kong est dans la Province de Guandong, amciennement dénommée Canton.
C'est le berceau du Cantonnais, la deuxième grande dimension de la langue chinoise.

Pour se rendre en Chine, proprement dite, on prend le train urbain, MTR, qui arrive à la ville frontalière de Shenzhen après un trajet de 45 minutes à partir du Centre-Ville. Ou bien en voiture ou en avion pour les autres destinations.

Je me rends facilement dans n'importe quel point de la grande Chine. Et ces visites font partie des raisons de mon admiration pour ce pays. Un monde autrement inimaginable à découvrir.

Un pays qui réussit à accomoder et à diriger une population de deux milliards d'habitants dans la discipline et l'organisation est un example de gouvernance.

Certes, il y a beaucoup de problèmes à résoudre à tous les points de vues.
Mais ils sont approchés de façon méthodique et scientifique.
Voilà, peut-être le secret de la réussite de ce pays.
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