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MessageSujet: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Lun 12 Oct 2015 - 9:46

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Sa a se yon ATIK ki paret jounen Jodi an.Jodi an OZETAZINI se COLUMBUS DAY pou komemore swa dizan DEKOUVET LAMERIK.

Gen anpil ETA ki komanse pa komemore JOU sa a anko.Gen ETA ki rele 12 OKTOB yon JOU pou nou sonje tout MOUN ke KOLON te kontribye pou touye ak ZAM e ak MALADI.


Christopher Columbus was a lost sadist. There shouldn't be a holiday in his name

James Nevius





Stop celebrating Columbus Day and start celebrating the native cultures his arrival in the Americas began the process of displacing






Christopher Columbus
He was less a groundbreaking explorer than a guy who misjudged how big the earth is. Photograph: PRISMA ARCHIVO / Alamy/Alamy

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Monday 12 October 2015 07.15 EDT

The second Monday in October has been designated an American federal holiday in Christopher Columbus’s honor since 1937. To most people in the United States, this commemoration of his 1492 landing in the Bahamas no longer has much meaning – many Americans outside of large Italian American communities are only dimly aware that it’s an official holiday. Many people don’t even get the day off work, instead trading Columbus Day for the day after Thanksgiving.

The holiday’s popularity has been waning for some time. In cities like Seattle and Minneapolis, it has been already been renamed Indigenous Peoples’ Day, a reminder that Columbus’s voyages set off a chain of events that wreaked havoc on native populations in the New World. It’s time to make that piecemeal commemoration official: stop celebrating Columbus and start celebrating the native cultures he began the process of displacing.
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For generations, school children learned to recite, “In fourteen hundred and ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue”. They then learned the story of the brave explorer who navigated into uncharted territory with sailors who were frightened of falling off the edge of a flat earth. That tale, much of it created by Washington Irving (the man who gave us The Legend of Sleepy Hollow), is bunk. Mariners knew full well the earth was round, including Columbus and his crew. Columbus just thought the circumference of the earth was thousands of miles smaller, and thus that the islands of the Caribbean were the East Indies. Our holiday celebrates a man who was lost.

Lost or not, he immediately captured some of the natives he met, writing of the “seven [natives] which I have ordered to be taken and carried to Spain,” and further musing that “I could conquer the whole of them with 50 men, and govern them as I pleased”. In December, his ships reached Hispaniola – the island that now hosts Haiti and the Dominican Republic – where he forced the natives to provide him gold; those who didn’t had their hands lopped off. It was the beginning of a rapid decline of the island’s population; historian Laurence Bergreen estimates that there were 300,000 natives on Hispaniola when Columbus arrived; by 1550, there were just 500. Many had been killed by disease or Spanish soldiers; others had been enslaved and sent back to Spain. A huge number simply took their own lives rather than live under Spanish rule. Is this really worthy of a celebration and a three-day sale at the local department store?


One of the original purposes of Columbus Day was to celebrate America’s longevity. There had been local commemorations of the holiday throughout the 19th century, but the first big push for national recognition of Columbus came in 1892, the 400th anniversary of his first voyage. America – its Civil War behind it and a bright future ahead – wanted recognition that the country was four centuries old, even if Columbus himself had never set foot on soil of what would become the United States.

Today, we have no such identity crisis and don’t need this holiday to remind us of our origins. Not only do we have Thanksgiving, which marks the beginning of the first great wave of European immigration, we also have Independence Day, which recognizes the country’s political origins, as does, to a lesser extent, President’s Day. Columbus Day’s sentiments are superfluous.

Instead, let’s focus on the indigenous people displaced by Columbus and those who followed in his wake. From the Calusa in southern Florida to the Duwamish who settled modern-day Seattle nearly 10,000 years ago, the continental United States had a pre-Columbus population that numbered in the millions. By some estimates, nearly 90% of those people died between 1492 and the Pilgrims’ arrival in 1620, most of them felled by European diseases to which they had no immunity. Those who didn’t die saw their territories encroached upon by European settlers, and as the numbers of natives dwindled, so did their languages, cultural practices, religions and rich histories.

Rather than a holiday celebrating one man, let’s have a day where every local community celebrates the native cultures connected to that locale. In New York, we could honor the Algonquin-speaking Lenape; in Utah, there could be a festival for their namesake Utes; in the Dakotas, a celebration of the Sioux, while at the same time recognizing the plight of many Indians on reservations.

Positive steps are already being made in that direction. While Seattle will host an Indigenous Peoples’ Day for a second time this year, nearby Bellingham is considering a move to “Coast Salish Day,” which would honor the specific natives of that area. Not only would this tie the holiday more meaningfully to the community, it would help erode the “Great Man” myth of historical progress and celebrate the immense diversity of the native peoples who still call America home.

Of course, not everyone would be pleased. These days, the strongest argument in favor of the holiday comes from Italian Americans, who helped originally promote Columbus Day as a way to mark their heritage and to celebrate a Catholic hero in a decidedly anti-Catholic country. But does anyone really want to ride a float commemorating a vicious slave trader who caused 50,000 natives to spontaneously commit suicide? I’d argue that they can come up with better symbols of Italian American pride.

As the late, great Italian American Lawrence Peter “Yogi” Berra, once said: “The future ain’t what it used to be.” He was right. Let’s start reimagining that future as one that doesn’t honor Christopher Columbus.




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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Ven 16 Oct 2015 - 6:04

Peyi ki ka konpare ak LA CHINE se ansyen EJIP.
Ansyen EJIP te ekziste pandan 3 MIL AN ;men li pa ekziste anko.

Gen de peyi ann EWOP ,ki vin gwo peyi ,yo date de 19yem syek lan ,tankou LALMAY ak ITALI.
Yo te ti peyi ki mete TET yo ansanm
La CHINE CONFUCIUS lan ,sa gen 2500 zan pa two diferan de la CHINE Jodi an.
Gwo TRAVAY ESPEKTAKILE y ap fe jounen Jodi an ,se bagay yo te konn fe sa gen MIL,2 MIL AN ou plis.
Tankou DINASTI ANSYEN yo te konn detounen RIVYE sou 2000 KM ou plis pou y aL ROUZE TE SECH lot kote lan ANPI an.

Kanta pou TAIWAN menm ;mwen t ap tande yon RADYOMANN ann AYITI aye ki di ke TAIWAN endepandan.
TAIWAN pa endepandan;preske tout peyi rekonet CHINE BEIJING kom sel CHINE lan e TAIWAN kom yon PWOVENS.
AYITI se youn lan ra peyi ki rekonet TAIWAN kom yon peyi toujou .Lan 200+ peyi ki genyen yo ;se Selman 23 peyi ki rekonet TAIWAN kom yon peyi toujou;yon bagay ANAKRONIK;e 23 ti peyi sa yo se yon paket ti peyi.
E kom AYITI e MOUN ki ap dirije l yo ,an reta lan tout bagay,ki sa MOUN ka di?
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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Ven 16 Oct 2015 - 10:08

Sasaye, dans le meme debat sur la Chine, j'observais que cela avait pris des siecles de savoir-faire et qu'il etait impertinent de vouloir comparer Haiti, un pays de deux cents ans d'histoire a peine, a la Chine.

Contrairement a la girouette bien connue qui a toujours un plan B, moi j'ai mon idee de ce qui devrait se faire en Haiti. C'est pourquoi je ne suis ni un pleurnichard ni un porte-etendard.

J'evite d'en discuter parce que le forum est indiscret par definition. Dans le cas d'Haiti, tout petit bandit peut aller le diriger maintenant et l'on continuera de nous en parler comme un pays normal.

J'ai toujours ete interesse par l'histoire et le systeme des Chinois mais je laisse a WIKIPEDIA le soin d'en parler.



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MessageSujet: Re: KRISTOF KOLON-LAN MED   Ven 16 Oct 2015 - 12:30

ADYE SASAYE!

KI moun ki ap konpare LA CHINE ak AYITI?
M ap KONPARE la CHINE ak EWOP.
M ap repete l ;m ap konpare LACHINE ak EWOP pa avek AYITI!

Gen MOUN tou ki toujou ap di ke AYITI Selman gen 2 SYEK.
Genyen menm ki konn di ke DEMOKRASI ekziste lan yon peyi tankou la FRANS depi 2 SYEK 1/4.

ADYE!
DEMOKRASI ekziste an FRANS depi 2 SYEK 1/4 ;menm jan ke l ekziste ann AYITI depi an 1806.

Se te lan NON Selman.
Apre REVOLISYON FRANSE an 1789 ;pou w te vote se pou w te peye.A penn si 200000 MOUN te ka vote lan yon POPILASYON 30 MILYON.
PREMYE FWA tout MOUN te ka vote se te an 1848.Sa pa t dire lontan paske LOUIS NAPOLEON ki te eli PREZIDAN an 1848 te fe yon KOUDETA menm jan ak PAPA DOK e nonmen TET li ANPERE.
NEG chita lan WIKIPEDIA pou yo eksite MOUN e detounen sa ki ap di.

Se pou m fini pou m di ke ESKIZ ke AYITI ta gen 200 AN e PIK lan pa yon ESKIZ .
Se yon sel peyi ki pi VYE ke AYITI sou KONTINAN an,se ETAZINI!
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