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MessageSujet: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Sam 1 Déc 2007 - 22:23

Another CIA sponsored Coup D'Etat? Venezuela’s D-Day: Democratic Socialism or Imperial Counter-Revolution
The December 2, 2007 Constituent Referendum

by Prof James Petras

, November 28, 2007



On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations and which will influence the referendum this Sunday (December 2, 2007).
The memo sent by an embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere, was addressed to the head of the CIA, Michael Hayden. The memo was entitled ‘Advancing to the Last Phase of Operation Pincer’ and updates the activity by a CIA unit with the acronym ‘HUMINT’ (Human Intelligence) which is engaged in clandestine action to destabilize the forth-coming referendum and coordinate the civil military overthrow of the elected Chavez government. The Embassy-CIA’s polls concede that 57% of the voters approved of the constitutional amendments proposed by Chavez but also predicted a 60% abstention.
The US operatives emphasized their capacity to recruit former Chavez supporters among the social democrats (PODEMOS) and the former Minister of Defense Baduel, claiming to have reduced the ‘yes’ vote by 6% from its original margin. Nevertheless the Embassy operatives concede that they have reached their ceiling, recognizing they cannot defeat the amendments via the electoral route.
The memo then recommends that Operation Pincer (OP) [Operación Tenaza] be operationalized. OP involves a two-pronged strategy of impeding the referendum, rejecting the outcome at the same time as calling for a ‘no’ vote. The run up to the referendum includes running phony polls, attacking electoral officials and running propaganda through the private media accusing the government of fraud and calling for a ‘no’ vote. Contradictions, the report cynically emphasizes, are of no matter.
The CIA-Embassy reports internal division and recriminations among the opponents of the amendments including several defections from their ‘umbrella group’. The key and most dangerous threats to democracy raised by the Embassy memo point to their success in mobilizing the private university students (backed by top administrators) to attack key government buildings including the Presidential Palace, Supreme Court and the National Electoral Council. The Embassy is especially praiseworthy of the ex-Maoist ‘Red Flag’ group for its violent street fighting activity. Ironically, small Trotskyist sects and their trade unionists join the ex-Maoists in opposing the constitutional amendments. The Embassy, while discarding their ‘Marxist rhetoric’, perceives their opposition as fitting in with their overall strategy.
The ultimate objective of ‘Operation Pincer’ is to seize a territorial or institutional base with the ‘massive support’ of the defeated electoral minority within three or four days (before or after the elections – is not clear. JP) backed by an uprising by oppositionist military officers principally in the National Guard. The Embassy operative concede that the military plotters have run into serous problems as key intelligence operatives were detected, stores of arms were decommissioned and several plotters are under tight surveillance.
Apart from the deep involvement of the US, the primary organization of the Venezuelan business elite (FEDECAMARAS), as well as all the major private television, radio and newspaper outlets have been engaged in a vicious fear and intimidation campaign. Food producers, wholesale and retail distributors have created artificial shortages of basic food items and have provoked large scale capital flight to sow chaos in the hopes of reaping a ‘no’ vote.
President Chavez Counter-Attacks
In a speech to pro-Chavez, pro-amendment nationalist business-people (Entrepreneurs for Venezuela – EMPREVEN) Chavez warned the President of FEDECAMARAS that if he continues to threaten the government with a coup, he would nationalize all their business affiliates. With the exception of the Trotskyist and other sects, the vast majority of organized workers, peasants, small farmers, poor neighborhood councils, informal self-employed and public school students have mobilized and demonstrated in favor of the constitutional amendments.
The reason for the popular majority is found in a few of the key amendments: One article expedites land expropriation facilitating re-distribution to the landless and small producers. Chavez has already settled over 150,000 landless workers on 2 million acres of land. Another amendment provides universal social security coverage for the entire informal sector (street sellers, domestic workers, self-employed) amounting to 40% of the labor force. Organized and unorganized workers’ workweek will be reduced from 40 to 36 hours a week (Monday to Friday noon) with no reduction in pay. Open admission and universal free higher education will open greater educational opportunities for lower class students. Amendments will allow the government to by-pass current bureaucratic blockage of the socialization of strategic industries, thus creating greater employment and lower utility costs. Most important, an amendment will increase the power and budget of neighborhood councils to legislate and invest in their communities.
The electorate supporting the constitutional amendments is voting in favor of their socio-economic and class interests; the issue of extended re-election of the President is not high on their priorities: And that is the issue that the Right has focused on in calling Chavez a ‘dictator’ and the referendum a ‘coup’.
The Opposition
With strong financial backing from the US Embassy ($8 million dollars in propaganda alone according to the Embassy memo) and the business elite and ‘free time’ by the right-wing media, the Right has organized a majority of the upper middle class students from the private universities, backed by the Catholic Church hierarchy, large swaths of the affluent middle class neighborhoods, entire sectors of the commercial, real estate and financial middle classes and apparently sectors of the military, especially officials in the National Guard. While the Right has control over the major private media, public television and radio back the constitutional reforms. While the Right has its followers among some generals and the National Guard, Chavez has the backing of the paratroops and legions of middle rank officers and most other generals.
The outcome of the Referendum of December 2 is a decisive historical event first and foremost for Venezuela but also for the rest of the Americas. A positive vote (Vota ‘Sí’) will provide the legal framework for the democratization of the political system, the socialization of strategic economic sectors, empower the poor and provide the basis for a self-managed factory system. A negative vote (or a successful US-backed civil-military uprising) will reverse the most promising living experience of popular self-rule, of advanced social welfare and democratically based socialism. A reversal, especially a military dictated outcome, will lead to a massive blood bath, such as we have not seen since the days of the Indonesian Generals’ Coup of 1966, which killed over a million workers and peasants or the Argentine Coup of 1976 in which over 30,000 Argentines were murdered by the US backed Generals.
A decisive vote for ‘Sí’ will not end US military and political destabilization campaigns but it will certainly undermine and demoralize their collaborators. On December 2, 2007 the Venezuelans have a rendezvous with history.


James Petras is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by James Petras
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Sam 1 Déc 2007 - 22:35

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Psyop aims to destabilize Venezuela and overthrow President Chavez

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Last night CNN en Español aired the above image, which captions at the bottom "Who Killed him?" by "accident". The image of President Chavez with the caption about killing him below, which some could say subliminally incites to assassination, was a "production error" mistakenly made in the CNN en Español newsroom. The news anchor had been narrarating a story about the situation between Colombia and Venezuela and then switched to a story about an unsolved homicide but - oops - someone forgot to change the screen image and President Chavez was left with the killing statement below. Today they apologized and admitted it was a rather "unfortunate" and "regrettable" mistake. Yes, it was.

On a scarier note, an internal CIA memorandum has been obtained by Venezuelan counterintelligence from the US Embassy in Caracas that reveals a very sinister - almost fantastical, were it not true - plan to destabilize Venezuela during the coming days. The plan, titled "OPERATION PLIERS" was authored by CIA Officer Michael Middleton Steere and was addressed to CIA Director General Michael Hayden in Washington. Steere is stationed at the US Embassy in Caracas under the guise of a Regional Affairs Officer. The internal memorandum, dated November 20, 2007, references the "Advances of the Final Stage of Operation Pliers", and confirms that the operation is coordinated by the team of Human Intelligence (HUMINT) in Venezuela. The memo summarizes the different scenarios that the CIA has been working on in Venezuela for the upcoming referendum vote on December 2nd. The Electoral Scenario, as it's phrased, confirms that the voting tendencies will not change substantially before Sunday, December 2nd, and that the SI (YES) vote in favor of the constitutional reform has an advantage of about 10-13 points over the NO vote. The CIA estimates abstention around 60% and states in the memo that this voting tendency is irreversible before the elections.

Officer Steere emphasizes the importance and success of the public relations and propaganda campaign that the CIA has been funding with more than $8 million during the past month - funds that the CIA confirms are transfered through the USAID contracted company, Development Alternatives, Inc., which set up operations in June 2002 to run the USAID Office for Transition Initiatives that funds and advises opposition NGOs and political parties in Venezuela. The CIA memo specifically refers to these propaganda initiatives as "psychological operations" (PSYOPS), that include contracting polling companies to create fraudulent polls that show the NO vote with an advantage over the SI vote, which is false. The CIA also confirms in the memo that it is working with international press agencies to distort the data and information about the referendum, and that it coordinates in Venezuela with a team of journalists and media organized and directed by the President of Globovision, Alberto Federico Ravell.

CIA Officer Michael Steere recommends to General Michael Hayden two different strategies to work simultaneously: Impede the referendum and refuse to recognize the results once the SI vote wins. Though these strategies appear contradictory, Steere claims that they must be implemented together precisely to encourage activities that aim toward impeding the referendum and at the same time prepare the conditions for a rejection of the results.

How is this to be done?

In the memo, the CIA proposes the following tactics and actions:


  • Take the streets and protest with violent, disruptive actions across the nation
  • Generate a climate of ungovernability
  • Provoke a general uprising in a substantial part of the population
  • Engage in a "plan to implode" the voting centers on election day by encouraging opposition voters to "VOTE and REMAIN" in their centers to agitate others
  • Start to release data during the early hours of the afternoon on Sunday that favor the NO vote (in clear violation of election regulations)
  • Coordinate these activities with Ravell & Globovision and international press agencies
  • Coordinate with ex-militar officers and coupsters Pena Esclusa and Guyon Cellis - this will be done by the Military Attache for Defense and Army at the US Embassy in Caracas, Office of Defense, Attack and Operations (DAO)

To encourage rejection of the results, the CIA proposes:


  • Creating an acceptance in the public opinion that the NO vote will win for sure
  • Using polling companies contracted by the CIA
  • Criticize and discredit the National Elections Council
  • Generate a sensation of fraud
  • Use a team of experts from the universities that will talk about how the data from the Electoral Registry has been manipulated and will build distrust in the voting system

The CIA memo also talks about:


  • Isolating Chavez in the international community
  • Trying to achieve unity amongst the opposition
  • Seek an aliance between those abstentionists and those who will vote "NO"
  • Sustain firmly the propaganda against Chavez
  • Execute military actions to support the opposition mobilizations and propagandistic occupations
  • Finalize the operative preparations on the US military bases in Curacao and Colombia to provide support to actions in Venezuela
  • Control a part of the country during the next 72-120 hours
  • Encourage a military rebellion inside the National Guard forces and other components

Those involved in these actions as detailed in the CIA memo are:


  • The CIA Office in Venezuela - Office of Regional Affairs, and Officer Michael Steere
  • US Embassy in Venezuela, Ambassador Patrick Duddy
  • Office of Defense, Attack and Operations (DAO) at the US Embassy in Caracas and Military Attache Richard Nazario
Venezuelan Political Parties:


  • Comando Nacional de la Resistencia
  • Accion Democratica
  • Primero Justicia
  • Bandera Roja

Media:


  • Alberto Federico Ravell & Globovision
  • Interamerican Press Society (IAPA) or SIP in Spanish
  • International Press Agencies

Venezuelans:


  • Pena Esclusa
  • Guyon Cellis
  • Dean of the Simon Bolivar University, Rudolph Benjamin Podolski
  • Dean of the Andres Bello Catholic University, Ugalde
  • Students: Yon Goicochea, Juan Mejias, Ronel Gaglio, Gabriel Gallo, Ricardo Sanchez


Operation Tenaza has the objective of encouraging an armed insurrection in Venezuela against the government of President Chavez that will justify an intervention of US forces, stationed on the military bases nearby in Curacao and Colombia. The Operation mentions two countries in code: as Blue and Green. These refer to Curacao and Colombia, where the US has operative, active and equipped bases that have been reinforced over the past year and a half in anticipation of a conflict with Venezuela.

The document confirms that psychological operations are the CIA's best and most effective weapon to date against Venezuela, and it will continue its efforts to influence international public opinion regarding President Chavez and the situation in the country.

Operation Tenaza is a very alarming plan that aims to destabilize Venezuela and overthrow (again) its legitimate and democratic (and very popularly support) president. The plan will fail, primarily because it has been discovered, but it must be denounced around the world as an unacceptable violation of Venezuela's sovereignty.

The original document in English will be available in the public sphere soon for viewing and authenticating purposes. And it also contains more information than has been revealed here.

For the full text in Spanish, see: Operación Tenaza: Informe confidencial de la CIA devela plan de saboteo al referéndum del 2 de diciembre

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I do not understand these stupidities ;I rather not comment ;for after the fiasco in Iraq one should expect these people to be more careful about what they are doing.It is unbelievable.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Sam 1 Déc 2007 - 23:59

The point is that this is not new.

They never expect to be discovered.

Those are routine destabilization operations that the US conducts in every country in the western hemisphere to ensure that their economic interests are safeguarded against the interest of the peoples.

Those underground operations are conducted by all American regimes, Democrat or Republican.

More and more, the Latin American countries are aware of those operations and they are turning left and away from the american influence.

Thanks to Venezuela's well trained and organized counter-intelligence units, they discovered and publicized the plan, thus making it unworkable and showing the true face of the yankees.

Failing that discovery, they would have succeeded and they would have denied their involvement. And a lot of credulous people would have believed them.

Good old America couldn't have done that!!!

The same operations were used in Guatemala, Nicaragua, Venezuela during the first coup and in Haiti with the destabilization and overthrow of the Aristide government.

The have a similar plan for Cuba, while waiting for Castro's death.

The operatives have the same mission in all these countries:
Disrupt or stop all progress made in the improvement of the local populations and reinstate the "status quo ante".

Doesn't this remind one of what happened in Haiti recently?

It doesnt matter what the consequences might be in material and human loss or damages.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 7:27

Nan lis pati politik anti-Chavez yo,ou jwenn BANDERA ROJA.
Bandera Roja yon òganizasyon ekstrèm goch, se menm wòl ke de gwoupman tankou PAPDA ak BATAY OUVRIYE te jwe ann Ayiti pandan kanpay destabilizasyon kont Aristide lan.
Se pou bay enpresyon ke kontestasyon an se de la dwat a la gòch.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 8:20

Rodlam Sans Malice a écrit:
I do not understand these stupidities ;I rather not comment ;for after the fiasco in Iraq one should expect these people to be more careful about what they are doing.It is unbelievable.

San Malis,

Mesye Repibliken sa yo se pi gwo koleksyon de "dumbkoff" ki anchay yon gouvènman depi mesye yo te rele "know nothing" yo nan ane 1840s yo.

Nan atik sa a mesye COHA yo di kareman ke politik ke Repibliken yo kontinye ap mennen nan Amerik Latin lan ,kont enterè ameriken.
Mesye yo ajoute ke Etazini pa gen mwayen politik li nan Amerik Latin lan ankò ,paske gen twòp konpetisyon,tankou La Chine,l'Inde ak La Risi.
Nèg yo di ke Doktrin Monroe an mouri e antere.
E mesye COHA yo se pa nenpòt ki,se yon gwoup ansyen diplomat e nan mitan yo tou gen ansyen militè:

http://www.coha.org/2007/11/28/bringing-polycentrism-to-latin-america/
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 14:26

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Kote bagay saa twoublan si diran gè fwad la yon moun te ka twouve yon lojik nan aktyon malonet sa yo;koulyè ya map mande pouki rezon ke neg sayo pa vle wè gouvenman ki ap chache fè byen pou pi gran nonmb la.eske se vre se enterè ameriken ke moun ki nan CIA yo ap defann.gade sa erè ke yo fè nan fiasko Iraq koute peyi ya an ajan e nan vi jen gason ak jenn fanm nan tou de peyi yo ;nenpot ti moun ki genyen bon sans ta ka evite erè sa, mon chè genyen yon liv ke yon ansyen ajan CIA te ekri ki te rele :In search of the enemies"map mande si neg sayo se pa yon seri de moun ki ap chache lenmi ;kreye lenmi vre pou jistifye wol yo?Paske mwen pa konprann poukisa yap entèvni nan zafè lot peyi konsa epi yo pran poz yo pa konprann poukisa yo genyen tout lenmi sayo.It is unbelievable.E saki pi dekourajan kelke swa chanjman ki fet a la tet ajans lan se toujou menm bagay yo ou tande ki ap fet.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 16:24

keksyon lan gen yon senp repons: gwo biznis yo fe pwofi nan eksplate travaye ti peyi pov. gwo fame fe pwofi nan lage res manje ke yo pwodi sou mashe pov apri ki pipiti ke kob li koute yo wa. gwo peyi montre grande yo nan rann tipeyi yo dependan de yo nan tout aspe, se yo ki di yo ki le siklonn ap vini, se yo pouki oganize eleksyon, se yo pou fe konsiltesyon pou pwoje yap prete kob la pou li.
zafe peyi pov la se gwo biznis ke li ye pou peyi rish yo.
si nou devlope, kote yap jwenn maket pou lage siplis nan pwodiksyon yo. si nou konn sa nap fe, kote yap jwenn pou demontre foli siperye yo.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 16:59

I think that I very much like chavez now. I still think that he talks too much, and lacks diplomatic decorum; but his actions clearly show that he genuinely cares about the poor people of his country and those of other countries. he is the first opec member to argue that oil should be sold at a lower price to poor countries such as haiti.
his idea of a southern bank is the greatest threat to western hegemony. that hegemony is not based on fair competition, but on manipulation and gross exploitation.
I am no leftist and I do not believe that capitalism is synonymous with imperialism though historically they have been closely linked.
the hypocrisy against chavez can be seen with the first referrendum to recall his presidency:
first, it was chavez who ammended the constitution to allow the people to recall any president they deem incompetent.
the opposition did not call him a tyrant for that because they realized that they could take advantage of that constitutional ammendment; but chavez was thinking ahead because his philosophy is that if the people could recall their president for incompetence, that right should be symmetric; that is if the people could recall an incompetent president, then they should have the same right to retain a president they want. hence, comes the referrendum that the opposition is decrying as tyranical. this is a democratic process; and isn't that what the western hegemonic nations claim to stand for? democracy only works for them if it produces a puppet they can manipulate at will.
chavez has the people behind him and the oil reserves to finance his dream of a free southern hemisphere.
however, I hope that he does not become a tyrant for very angry men with noble dreams turn out to be very bad after amassing tremendous powers.
I like chavez for what he has done so far, but as skeptic, i tend to be afraid of individuals with messianic tendencies.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 17:00

Mon chè bagAy saa depase konpetans mwen pase li pa fè sans .si se vre se pou yo eksplwate travaye ti peyi pov yo men yo te ka permet yo genyen edikatyon ,sante ,lojman tout bagay ke gouvenman pwogresis yo ap lite pou ba pi gran nomb konsa anpil moun te ka voyaje .fè touris achte machinn ke yo pwodwi ;konpitè, machinn a lave , machinn a seche .refijeratè etc.Mwen pa wè ki sans li fè pou yon moun vle demokrati enstale lakAy ou epi ou pa vle rekonet dwa lot pep pou yo eli dirijan ke yo vle.Se vre peyi pov yo pran nan twa rwa.mENM MOUN KI AP SOUFRI NAN PEYI RICH YO FOK SE YON REVOLITYON KI POU FET POU YO JWEN YO ALE MYE ANBA MACHINN ENFERNAL SAA.

you have the same perception with the Columbian writer Gabriel marquez when he was at the venezuelan airport on a plane that took him and chavez form Cuba to Venelezuela .after Chavez left the plane Gabriel said that he (chavez) could be a messiah or a tyran.I think it is up to Chavez;as far as I am concerned he is a Messiah ;so far so good.I wont give one Chavez for ten Georges bush.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Dim 2 Déc 2007 - 19:16

Mesye nou bezwen lòt kalite leadership ann Ayiti.Mwen menm ,mwen koumanse bouke ak preval,byen ke se pa mande mwen mande pou yo ta ranvèse l.
Préval pè oligachi an twòp;moun pa ka dirije yon peyi konsa ;bagay sa a se yon resèt pou yon dezas.

Mesye li yon atik ki parèt nan New York Times jodi an.
Se nan ti peyi pòv ann Afrik yo rele MALAWI.Se yon peyi kote grangou ak malsite t ap touye moun.

Bank mondyal vini ak krap li yo ,di ke ti peyi sa a paka bay agrikilti subsid.
Prezidan Malawi an ,di Bank Mondyal ale l lavoum ,yo preske bay kiltivatè angré gratis pou yo kiltive tè yo.

New York Times di nan youn ou 2 zan yon mirak rive.Peyi sa a kote moun t ap mouri grangou an tèlman pwodwi manje ke y ap ekspòte de santèn de milye tòn manje bay lòt peyi Afriken yo.

Sa se lidèship,se moun ki pa pè moun ,se pa de moun ki ap pale de stabilite tout la sent jounen ,tandis ke moun ap mouri grangou.
Peyi an fatige ak pawòl konsilyasyon PREVAL yo;AJI FOUT.
Apre 2 zan,li lè pou Préval koumanse di sa k pa kontan anbake :
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/world/africa/02malawi.html

"Ending famine ,simply by ignoring the Experts"
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Lun 3 Déc 2007 - 12:00

Premye defet Chavez .Pep venezwelyen rejete referendum la.Chavez avwe defet li.eske sa pral chanje oryantatyon politik gouvenman chavez la ?sa nou panse?Mwen panse zafè ba Presidan Chavez dwa poul reeli tou tan pep venezuelyen te vle san limitatyon de manda li pat tou a fè korek.Mwen ta pi renmen apre 2 manda li ba yon lot moun mayet .paske twop pouvwa koronp.Si pati ya bay venezwelyen satisfaktyon e bien yon lot manb pati ya ka kontinye menm pwogram gouvenman an.Men mwen genyen yon ti jan pè zafè pou yon moun presidan a vi ya.
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Lun 3 Déc 2007 - 18:15

Gen anpil Chavistas ki vote kont Chavez nan referandòm lan.
Si se sa sèlman misye te mande,retire limitasyon konbyen manda yon prezidan ka genyen,referandòm lan ta ka pase;men misye mande anpil lòt bagay.

Se plen pouvwa misye t ap genyen endefiniman;se yon bon bagay ke pèp venezyelyen an vote non!
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MessageSujet: Re: referendum:CIA vs VENEZUELA,COUP D'ETAT EN PREPARATION   Lun 3 Déc 2007 - 18:53

Mwen ta p tande diskou Chavez la, apre prezidan kolèj elektoral la te bay rezilta yo.

Se pa yon gwo defèt saa ye, apre tout kanpay Meriken avèk Velenezyelyen patripoch yo te fè avèk anpil lajan ak pwopagann. Yon diferans de 1% pou opozisyon an.

Chavèz pa ezite di la p aksepte rezilta sayo paske si se li ki te genyen avèk ti pousantaj saa, li pa tap konsidere sa kom yon manda.

Si l te mem jan ak Ayisyen, li ta kanpe pou l di Venezyelien retounen al vale vomi yo.

Chavez prezidan jiska 2013.
Li gen tan pou l fè tout chanjman li komanse yo e si l paka prezidan anko Venezyela ap gen tan prepare yon lot lidè.

Sa pou nou wè, se pa Venezyelien sèlman ki ta p deranje si opozisyon an ta vinn pran pouvwa. Se tout peyi ak tout pèp Amerik di sid ak Karaib ke Chavèz ap ede yo e Haiti tap premye viktim.

Moun sayo ki mem jan ak elit ayisyèn nan, ta p travay sou zod meriken e ta p koupe tout aid ki te planifye.
Keseswa petwol, luyl, ayeropo, ekipman e tout bagay.

Donk nou gen enterè sipote Chavèz e fèmen dyol Ayisyen ki soti pou yo pale l mal.
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