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SANTO DOMINGO.- Deputy Pelegrín Castillo (FNP-Santo Domingo) today warned that if the Border Security Corp (Cesfront) isn’t given the economic and moral support to patrol the border, the Armed Forces will face the consequences of failing to secure sovereignty and territorial integrity.

He said there are Dominican and foreign groups conspiring against Cesfront’s existence and that of the Dominican State itself. “Since Cesfront’s creation, the opposition was clear from a series of groups and interests who disqualified that organization in its first month.”

The lawmaker said those national and foreign sectors, which he didn’t identify, are interested in “erasing the border” to facilitate continuing the peaceful invasion of Haitians.

Castillo, a member of the Chamber of Deputies Border, Security and Defense Commission, said the situation in the Haitian border poses serious risks for the country, because the authority to control and monitor has yet to be defined, which is one of the problems Cesfront’s operations would have to overcome.

He said all information from the border is that the monitoring continues being “weak and vulnerable” against the traffic of illegal immigration, guns, drugs and food.

“The Army’s regular units cannot and should not continue carrying out that role and Cesfront won’t either if it doesn’t have a strong and national government support,” said the National District legislator in a statement sent to the media.

He said to face the situation the Armed Forces must show “with unequivocal facts that they are willing to protect the land, marine and aerial borders.”

Castillo, who stresses that security and border development policies should be top priority, cautions that those on immigration, labor, social security, environment, poverty and agriculture reform will not be effective “if the controls along the border aren’t adequate.”

He said in a recent visit to the Northwest he saw a massive presence of Haitians and uncontrolled immigration. “We saw with concern the great proliferation of guns of all the calibers and of all types in Montecristi, originating from Haiti, because the vigilance on the border is not adequate.”

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Nouvel saa pwovoke yon seri de komante ki montre kijan Dominiken rayi Ayisyen.
Mwen pran tan li yon pake ladan yo poum sa konprann kijan tet pangnol yo mache.
Men mwen kontan we gen Ayisyen ki byen reponn e genyen ki fe pangnol yo anraje telman yo pase yo lan betiz.

Lis komante yo long anpil, men mwen kwe li kapab ouvri je nou pou we kijan pangnol lan panse.
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: JRRubirosa, 5 Jun 2008 3:46 PM
From: United States
Pelegrin Castillo, the FNP and the whole Castillo clan are the only true patriots in the whole country.
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The priest Regino should shut up his mouth and move elsewhere, He wants to dictate his orders to the Dominican military and this is unaceptable.
zak325, 5 Jun 2008 4:47 PM
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From: United States
What does Castillo mean when he says the army cannot and should not carry out the role that Cesfront was created to ? What is an army for if not to protect and defend the Intrests of the nation? Castillio talks about a problem everyone in the Dominican government knows about, theres nothing new in his findings. What Castillo (and others) should do is to find ways to discover and eliminate the corruption from the command to the lowest rank soldiers. Pointing out the problem is easy, coming up with solutions is the hard part.
JD_Dominguez, 5 Jun 2008 6:01 PM
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From: United States
The Pichardo drug smuggling network Santiago's Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) has a VERY strong drug supply from Haiti without interruption. A tigre & drug ex-convict "CHOPPO" (Jose Annibal Lopez Pichardo) micro-trafficks drugs and distibute to other barrios and his street team and pays both police & DNCD Notre to stay corrupt and DO NOT enforce the law.

There are Haitian children that are paid (used) to ingest and then quickly transport drugs to Santiago whereas the kids are later left on the streets to beg. In January, one youth was shot in the stomach at point-blank range by CHOPPO...the police did not even show up to investigate.

The level of drug corruption spreads to all levels of DR politics. It is shamefully amazing! All political parties want to be in the offices of leadership so they can claim a bigger piece of the illegal drug trafficking profits.

Almost 80% of the good efforts you read about is propaganda! DNCD recycles drugs BACK INTO THE SUPPLY LINES!
MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 5 Jun 2008 6:16 PM
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From: United States, NJ
The solution is cut clear : movilize all 6 infantry brigades to the border and get those soldiers from generals down to earn their pay instead of rolling dyes and playing dominos at the barracks.
it is very pleasant for top ranking officers as well as low ranking officers to give orders from their hotel & command post at the capital N/D.
There was an article where US is buying super stucano planes for $4.5 US mns @ to be used by BLACKWATER INTERNATIONAL. My question is where does DR gvt gets the figures for the same plane been sold to DR at US$ 8.5 mns from Brazil? Who is getting the kick back in the gvt, or DR air force?
According to the report Brazil by law prohibits the sales of arms to any country in existing conflicts.
The 314-b1 even thought it's propelled driven plane manufactured by EMBRAER aviation, it is still considered a fighter plane, even if the 2 -50 caliber machine guns were removed before the sales
They could always add to it, on a later deal.
arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 6:56 PM
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From: Dominican Republic
Well it seems that in 10 to 20 years from now, we will have 4 million haitians in D.R. What will happen then? we are surely losing the country to Haiti. It's always been the dream by the haitian goverment and it's small elite that the majority black haitian population leave there nation of origin. Haiti is a hopeless case deforestation, water shortage, poverty, no infrastructure, uneducated majority, extreme unemployment. The dominican goverment cant play games this is serious business, massive deportations now!!!!! Legalize 100,000 the rest deport them. If this continues at this rate, we will lose our identity as a nation. And many will leave the country, just like in the past. Remember 1801, 1805, 1822 and who knows what decade a great exodus will repeat itself?
arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 7:09 PM
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From: Dominican Republic
Call me a racist i dont give a damn!!!!! Dominicans are being victimized by the international community, nobody wants this surge of people. In a country thats been ruled by criminals and "presidents for life" Haiti is a real threat to dominican progress. Let the military the navy, air force patrol the border, let the dominican goverment invest in a wall that divides the country. This very quiet invasion will be our doom! Try to answer this, Haiti had 22 leaders or presidents overthrown in a period when the C.I.A. did not even exist. From 1843 to 1915 now tell me who do you blame now? You cant blame the U.S. for this, the blame falls upon you! haitians for being an uncivilized society!!!!! http://www.english.uwosh.edu/henson/Danticat/haiti_hist.html
JRRubirosa, 5 Jun 2008 7:14 PM
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From: United States
Dear Dominican brothers and sisters:

The only way that We can correct this issue is creating a movement to defend our freedom by doing something proactive.

I'm being wondering because For those of You that don't know there is a "Haitian" in Dominican Republic looking for means to create a "Haitian" party in our country.

According to Him, He has the right numbers to create a movement, even worse He quote
"To have a specific number of Haitians in the senate to support his Facist Haitian revolution"

Either We wake up and face the issue now or later will be too late for our children
arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 7:19 PM
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From: Dominican Republic
JR RUBIROSA

What's the name of this haitian party.

arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 7:23 PM
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From: Dominican Republic
Please read my link, its written by a haitian author herself! http://www.english.uwosh.edu/henson/Danticat/haiti_hist.html
JRRubirosa, 5 Jun 2008 7:26 PM
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From: United States
Arcatype:

I read it on the website livio.com and it was 2 Dominican newspapers
1st was almomento and another one that I can't recall right now

College students in Santiago are supposedly looking for ways to support and promote this "creole gang"
If I get the information later on I'll post it don't worry about it

Greetings
arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 7:36 PM
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From: Dominican Republic
Thank You JR RUBIROSA. I will further investigate this.
Ferreras555, 5 Jun 2008 7:50 PM
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From: United States
i have read about this once the Haitians go to Dominican territory claiming that thats their land and when the authorities confront them they cant do nothing about it because its so densely populated with Haitians you actually think your in Haiti so the authorities just leave it alone they call it the moving border
JRRubirosa, 5 Jun 2008 8:19 PM
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From: United States
The goverment is doing C... regarding this issue and eventhough I like LF I truly believe that the goverment is leaving this issue alone.

FNP party and the Castillo family are the only group of people that have the "Guts" to speak about it.

Either PLD do something about it or people will have to take some determination
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From: Zimbabwe
lol , lol, lol ahahahahahahaha. Oh this too funny. lol lol, lol ahahahaaahaha.
At least you have a METRO.
Can't we all just get along?

So who are you guys going to hire to build this electrical fence? "THE HAITIANS" I can see both of our people hocking up cables on these fences to get free electricity see Rubi our people have so much in common its only natural for us to merge and I'm all for that.
I've dedicated the rest of my life to make that happen and it will happen Rubi and you can't stop US.
JRRubirosa, 5 Jun 2008 9:06 PM
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From: United States
Room1804:

Please be respectful and say hello to the rest of people on these blog...................

So many people can't be wrong....................
Archatype, 5 Jun 2008 9:13 PM
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From: Dominican Republic
If only Trujillo was alive, we would not be talking about Haiti. The whole island would be the Dominican Republic beautiful and green.
Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 5 Jun 2008 9:18 PM
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From: Zimbabwe
Before Trujillo there was Jean Jacques Dessaline. One can say the same if Dessaline was alive, we would not be talking about DR. The whole island would be the Haitian Republic beautiful and green.

Like I told you guys before move to SPAIN if you don't like the idea of the HDR. Haitian-Dominican Republic.
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arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 9:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No! you need to stay in Haiti, or go back to Africa the Congo or Gabon. Oh i forgot your in Zimbabwe. Dessalines had the chance but the spanish and french did not allow it, sorry!!!!! so sorry!!!!!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 9:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Reminds you of Africa right rom1804 - <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/5dA1I42P...."></param><embed src="https://www.youtube.com/v/5dA1I42P2kE&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: carbelk99, 5 Jun 2008 9:55 PM
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room 1804 aka zimbawe. why dont all you move to AFRICA.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 5 Jun 2008 10:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They should be deported back to there mother land, they could start cutting down the trees for charcoal. theirs plenty of wood over there, they should drop all of you on the Kalahari. Im sure the tigers and the lions will love to feast and party with you. Until the sun goes down, then after that well? let's say you will be less populous. It's called population control african style.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 5 Jun 2008 10:33 PM
From: Zimbabwe
At least I have an AFRICA to move to but what do you have ? SPAIN? I think not.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 5 Jun 2008 10:38 PM
From: Haiti
I simply had to respond to the Rubirosites. If Dessalines really had his way then Trujillo would've never existed dont you think? We'll go to Africa and you'll go to Spain where the Spaniards will think of you the same way you think of us: Those niggers claiming to be Spaniards that are silently invading the Iberian peninsula. To sum it all up, you would now be the "Haitians" of Spain.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: CarlosFranco, 5 Jun 2008 11:49 PM
From: United States

RUBYROSA.... WE NEED YOU BROTHER... JOIN THE FORUM

Me and Archtype are known there as the ONLINE TRINITARIOS...
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: DannyVC, 5 Jun 2008 11:52 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
Can I just please have my country? I don't want to go to Spain I want to go to the Dominican Republic MY Country! HAITIANS go to HAITI, WTF the DR has the 2nd largest army in the Caribbean only second to Cuba and somehow we cant control a freaking tiny border? WTF are those soldiers doing????
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: CarlosFranco, 5 Jun 2008 11:52 PM
From: United States
"At least I have an AFRICA to move to but what do you have ? SPAIN? I think not."

How bout Latin America. Our racial composition is very similar to venezuela, colombia... Even Puerto Rico...
Today most dominicans are darker because the border didn't exist and many black dominicans... in fact most of them were once slave of the french... Spain did not bring so many slaves to the island.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: CarlosFranco, 5 Jun 2008 11:56 PM
From: United States
Rom1804,

"Before Trujillo there was Jean Jacques Dessaline. One can say the same if Dessaline was alive, we would not be talking about DR. The whole island would be the Haitian Republic beautiful and green."

So it's DR's fault that Haiti isn't green.... "Beautiful and Green" You mean “Poverty Stricken & Deforester”
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: DannyVC, 6 Jun 2008 12:01 AM
From: United States, New Jersey
Why did we have to end up next to Haiti why couldn't it be the Puerto Ricans?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 6 Jun 2008 12:04 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Danny you can always move. Leave the island I will buy you and all your family a first class plane ticket to Spain Puerto rico or wherever you want to go matter of fact I will and Can do that for every Dominican citizen who does not wish to live next to Haiti. BYE. SEE YA LATER. ADIOS
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: MrDom, 6 Jun 2008 7:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
When people leave their country without wanting to come back (as Haitians are doing) is because patriotism and love for their land that's no exist, that’s why Haiti will never break away from its problems, poverty, deforestation and many other problems. You can not save and protect what you don't love...........
I have the pleasure to know some Haitians that really believe in their country and they are doing all they can to help their communities... because of them I feel respect for Haiti... because of their vision I want to help somehow this country... but if Haitians don’t believe in themselves and in their country… no matter how much international help they receive, they will never solve their problems.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Francisco118, 6 Jun 2008 7:43 AM
From: United States
Zimbabwe ... if you have so much money to buy each Dominican a first class plane ticket to any where in the planet... to leave the DR ....why don't you use that money instead to help out you brothers and sisters in haity.. maybe built some schools, or help farmers... with all that money ? It would be a big help.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 7:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Better yet, why don't you help your fellow zimbabweans with that money, mr. Mugabe-boy? Unless you're like your fellow boss' wife, who spends all the time (and the zimbabweans money) buying Gucci articles. God only knows that the zimbabweans really need all the help that they can get. It's only me or have you guys noticed that, although the south africans have committed more heinous crimes on their fellow zimbabweans than the dominicans with the haitian inmigrants on recent days, it's only the DR which is being pulled by the ears on this inmigration issue? Talk about international hipocrisy. Just take a look: http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.co....s-in-south-africa-zimbabwean.html

Care to enlighten us on this south african-zimbabwean issue, Mugabe-boy?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 6 Jun 2008 8:07 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Ummh NO. With all that money why don't I just buy my fellow Haitians the other side of the island instead. You know what they say the grass is greener on the other side. I've traveled all over the world in my lifetime I've visited a lot of different countries but I will never set foot in DR until she is mine once again and carrying my Last name AYITI, AYIT, AYITI. and I swear before God & the Devil that I will not rest until I get her back.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 8:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Why don't you wait for hell to freeze over first, Mugabe-boy? That's what would happen first in all likelihood before your dream of recreating Zimbabwe comes into reality.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: AndrusEnigma, 6 Jun 2008 9:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
ohh boy if i was the Dominican President, this will be very drastic!! yep.. ill put this Africans in there place and deport all the Haitians we have here! just for a week as president ill do anything to get my country back in order!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 6 Jun 2008 9:05 AM
From: United States
LF is very weak on this issue and Dominican population has to put pressure on the goverment.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 9:15 AM
From: United States
"I will never set foot in DR until she is mine once again and carrying my Last name AYITI, AYIT, AYITI. and I swear before God & the Devil that I will not rest until I get her back."

Perhaps you are posting for the sake of stirring up the pot. Whatever. But if the above statement truly reflects your sentiments then you will never actually see DR and you will die in vain. Better start looking for a different venture to dedicate your life to. Absurd.
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ROOM1804:
Your opinions are the ones that steer away investors from Your country since you guys like everything the easy way.
Keep fighting with ignorance and You will get dumber and dumber.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 9:29 AM
From: Zimbabwe
You are the one that's living in La La Land Rubi. Survey says when Haiti gets its act together the Majority one your brothers and sisters doesn't mind a merge. That's reality my friend. Theres more than one way to skin a cat. Every move we make are aiming towards one thing and one thing only the unification of the two sides.
The fact is we have an enormous population of Haitians not counting Dominicans of Haitian Descent already living in DR is that an illusion as well?
Do you think I'm delusional when I say some day not too distant from the future that Dominicans will be the minority in their own Land am I crazy for assuming that?
Look at what the Chinese are doing to the Americans they have invested heavily in the USA's big corporation just like most Haitian millionaire have invested heavily in DR's little companies. Now not too many American companies can make a national decision without the Chinese;s approval. Get the picture?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 9:35 AM
From: Zimbabwe
You know what they say: Nothing Happens until something moves. Aren't the Haitians the ones dominating your transportation industry? I think so I think so uh uh uh. I think you've already seen a demonstration of a few buses flipped and burned on your Highways by the transportation core. Oh yeah I forgot you have a METRO too bad the Metro can not go everywhere.

Call me crazy but we will unify the two sides no matter what it takes. Say what you need to say but I'm not here to conquer just unify. L' union Fait La Force
VIVA LA Haitian-Dominicaine Repiblik.
Look mom a nation of four official languages. Now that's unique.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 9:52 AM
From: United States
room1804:

Drugs make miracles.....................

Which one are You taking currently buddy???

Meth, coke, Weed or heroine.

I'm seeing all kinds of Haitians in this website but never one so dumb, delussional, ignorant and stagnant like You.

Guess I'm waisting my time with Your brain full of insecurities so I'm going to try to ignore Your lazy and non sense opinions.

Keep Your pigeon language to Yourself............
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 9:56 AM
From: Zimbabwe
The flag of the Dominican Republic has its roots in the Haitian Flag of the early 19th century, a horizontal bicolor of blue over red. On 16 July 1838 the Trinitaria movement was founded, adopted the Haitian flag with a cross (the cross of Konstantin the Great of Byzanz!).

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOU ARE MY CHILD. EVERYONE IN THE WORLD KNOWS THAT YOU ARE MINE MINE MINE. Every time you look at your flag you must remember the big bad Blue and Red is in the background we will always be in the background scheming. Did you know that the original flag had a small Cross in the middle with no emblem. Rubi that cross is shrinking once again what are you going to do about it?

I'll leave you alone the day you get your own Flag and your own home. The Dominicans are like teenagers and Haiti is the parent. You have already went through your rebellious years under Trujillo and Balaguer now its time for you to grow up child.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 10:35 AM
From: Canada, Oakville
Room 1804 you have very valid argument, I take it from your tone you trying to piss rubi, however your analogy is sound.
There is a very good chance of market integration due the proximity of both countries and the requirement of the european country to deal with one island instead of two.
One way that can speed the merging of the economies will be the economic renaissance of Haiti for that matter, this could be seen as a very dangerous prospect for the hardcore nationalistic Dominican.

Market integration may entail single currency, free movement of capital, asset, and people. What is left ? the flags, languages, the border(diminished in importance)and the army( who are they going to fight?) I do not believe there will be single passport a la euro, that will not be acceptable to both sides. Rubi, hard to believe see what your politicians are doing.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....each-free-trade-agreement-by-2009
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 10:43 AM
From: Canada, Oakville
Some more info for you Quote "
http://www.bilaterals.org/article.php3?id_article=11257
SANTO DOMINGO. - The possibility that Dominican Republic and Haiti could sign a free trade agreement as early as next year is being met with approval by commercial, governmental and industrial sectors, as well as economists and poultry producers, newspaper El Caribe said Sunday.

The National Council for Private Enterprise (Conep), the Association of Young Business Leaders, Secretary of Industry and Commerce Melanio Paredes, the Federation of Industrial Associations (FAI), economist Hugo Rivera and the Association of Poultry Producers of the North, agree that the negotiation process would yield positive results, but that the idea merits deep study.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 10:44 AM
From: Canada, Oakville
cont 2 Lisando Macarrulla, president of Conep, said Haiti as a market has great importance for Dominican Republic and presents the advantage of being accessible by overland routes. However, he suggested analyzing the agreements established by the European Economic
Paredes said the countries of the European Union have always connected the economic destinies of Haiti and Dominican Republic and at times have expected this country to do more for the other than what they were able to. “Any initiative undertaken as an island would formalize our commercial relations, which surpass US$700 million, and would help with the disappearance of cartels, spurious mechanisms and other elements characteristic of informal commerce.”

Pablo Piantini, prez of Anje, said each country would have to come to the negotiating table, defend their products, and define appropriate parameters for the phasing out of tariffs. He added, “An agreement with [Haiti] would be better than with the European Union 25 cou,
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 10:55 AM
From: Canada, Oakville
Trade is good, and work wonder , we have a lot of example of homogeneous border countries trading,however with respect to Haiti and DR where there is a big difference in term of the population distribution, not sure how will that resonate, this is the gray area, some may look at it as another Haitian invasion.

But who will decide the rich, the elite, the internatiomal banks ? these folks seem to care more about their bottom line than anything else.

A good example as pointed out by 1804 the USA is a debtor country to China and to other countries if they were to ask for a suddenly repayment, usa will be in serious trouble .
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 11:14 AM
From: United States

Antonioj:
What's Your point???
Why Your people always enjoy being so "STAGNANT"????

I'm shocked to see Your ideas along with Your creole brother "Room1804", "HOLY COW"

Are you guys sharing the same medicine by any chance??

What quality control standard Your country has??? NONE
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 11:25 AM
From: Canada, Oakville
Bonjour Madame Rubi

My point is that I agree with the gist of his message, not his delivery, I have pointed you to some links enjoy the read.
I did that in high school but I did not inhale.

I am not sure if you are aware of globalization that is happening in world EARTH DR- HAITI are no exception(hello any body home)

The most outstanding blogger Mr. Lautaro have ackowledge the possibility of a free market, a Dominican.

Here's good book " the Phenomenon of Globalization by Robert A. Sirico

http://www.acton.org/publications/randl/rl_article_438.php
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 11:37 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Father Spain and Mother Haiti had a Son = Dominican Republic.

Haiti went through a terrible divorce with Father Spain and now little DR is angry blaming Mother Haiti for living him Fatherless.
But what Little DR doesn't understand is that Daddy Spain was an abusive Father and the marriage could not continue under those circumstances.

A few years ago Little DR went through his Rebellious years under Trujillo & Balaguer era You know the I'm 13 and I hate my parents syndrome.
Sure Little DR you may not like your Mother (Haiti) and what she had done to your Father Spain but that doesn't erase the fact that Haiti she is your Mother.
If it wasn't for your Mother (Haiti) you wouldn't be where you are today child who says that your abusive Daddy Spain wouldn't have exterminated the both of us by now like he did to his previous spouses (The Native Indians).

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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 11:38 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Little DR your Mother Haiti is very proud of you and what you have accomplished on your own and there were times when things did not go well between the two of you.You must understand your Mother Haiti will always Love You no matter what or how many times you may have make her feel guilty for kicking your abusive Father Spain out.
Little DR remember when Daddy (Spain) left who was the one that paid for the house bill, the divorce bill and court fees etc...?
You claimed that she forced you to work at an early age but that was not her intention she only need a little help to pay off her debt to your Father and his friends.
Yes I know, I know it wasn't your idea for them to seperate in the first place and you feel that since it was mommy (Haiti) that filed for divorce she should pay the bill alone well she did.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 11:38 AM
From: United States
Antonioj:

Still very blurry points and contradictions like anybody looking to distort reality.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 11:39 AM
From: Zimbabwe
I also know that you are very ashamed of your Mother (Haiti) because of her current economical situation Remember child if it was not for the 150 million Francs (Equivalent to $22 billion today) she had to pay your Father and his Friends.Your Mother Haiti would still be standing on her two feet because she was the Pearl of the Antilles and if you ask some people they will tell you even today that she still retain some of her beauty despite her long years living in poverty.
I'm not making any excuses but your Mother is a strong woman after you left she managed to finance Simon Bolivar and his armies a numerous times to help freed your half brothers and sisters from you abusive Father in Latin America. But that's the past.

Little DR since 1844 you have been gone so far but yet so near no matter how much pain and suffering your Father Spain and his friends may have put your mother through over the years nothing have hurt her more than not having you by her side.

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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 11:40 AM
From: Zimbabwe
The year is 2008 of the 21st century it's time for you to come home son your mother misses you so much and despite all the help she might have received from her friends and neighboors across the globe I know when you come home she will walk away and reclaim her title as The Pearl Des Antilles.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 11:41 AM
From: United States
BLA, BLA, BLA, BLA BLA, BLA , BLA, BLA, BLA

Somebody was abused many years ago.................
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 11:42 AM
From: United States
And bla,bla, bla ,bla, bla , bla , bla ,bla

Did You take Your medicine already "creole boy"
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 11:43 AM
From: United States
Antonioj:

Why don't you teach for free to your people better, they must be domesticated not us.

Being telling You long time ago, create your creole website to teach Your own class how to behave and be civilized.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 11:47 AM
From: Canada, Oakville
Rubi I know you love your country, I have no doubt and I do love my Haiti cherie with all his imperfections.

Take your head out of the sand " hay un possiblidad" does not make it a fact, however look at the trend.

"Still very blurry points and contradictions like anybody looking to distort reality"
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 11:53 AM
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Madame Rubi are you with me, do you understand some of my points ?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 11:54 AM
From: United States
Antonioj:

Preaching stupidity and non sense ideas won't make you look superior but dumb and with an inferior and mediocre personality.

This goes for You and Your twin.....................

Debating smart issues with your people is a dead end because at the end it will be always race, black, discrimination, You are better than us because We copied evertyhing from Your culture.

Dominican Republic belong to the other side, Spain was never our motherland, We are bad people because We want to establish order.

Before you want to develop Your "Dream agenda", do your homework first......

Cheap is talk and actions speak a 1,000 words
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 12:00 PM
From: Zimbabwe
There is s Dominican company called mera munoz & fondeurs, SA owned by the Diaz's family that are building roads in Haiti, in St Marc, Gonaïves and Port Au Prince. The address of the Company in Dominican Republic is:
Ave 27 de Febrero No 61, Edificio Metropolitano III, apto 337, Santiago DR
and
Ave Gilberto Gomez No 31, Ensanche Naco apto 2378,
Santo Domingo, DR.
Telephones in Santiago (809) 581-8880 and in Santo Domingo (809) 567-7692.

Rubi call them and tell them that they should only work in DR and use there talents and skills only in DR and I will call all the Haitian Carpenters and Masons to come back to Haiti and only build houses in Haiti.
Since you are so opposed to us working together I think you should call them and tell them that Rubi because from my point of view this company is working on Haitian turf and its a beautiful thing BUT Rubi doesn't like that. Right Rubi. See I come with Fact Rubi and you know I'm always right.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:04 PM
From: United States
If You love your country so much, doing something proactive will means taking actions on the other side no on our side to annoy us all the time with the same whinning, complaining and wanting to be the scapegoat all the time.

If You don't have the guts and stamina to use your wisdom to get investments from other countries at the end shows Your lack of mental and civilized capacity to do anything and to develop towards the future.

Your country don't have any blueprints to achieve "ANYTHING" so if this is the case Why bother preaching "C..." and "B......." that you will be better than us one day
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 12:06 PM
From: Canada, Oakville
Madame Rubi

Please rebut my point instead of throwing incoherent, unrelated short phrases in the air. My dissertation included research, finding , and reference link.
Can you do the same ? If not, why not ?

Otherwise, you are not a worthy debator and have wasted my time. next.... may be you failed to understand what I wrote.
Do you suffer from attention deficit disorder ?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:07 PM
From: United States
"JUNIOR" :

Relax and don't get so inmature debating Your childish, sensitive and smart points.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 12:08 PM
From: Zimbabwe
I can list more Dominican companies working in Haiti and I can list even more Haitian companies working in DR but I will not do that because there are some people like you Rubi in DR that wouldn't do business with a Haitian Companie if they knew that the company belongs to a Haitian.
Even if you see Haitian workers with a Dominican Boss at the top of the ladder its a Haitian owner. Kiss Rubi. Just like the Chinese have done in the USA even if you see an American company with an American boss sometimes that company is owned by the Chinese. Oldest trick in the book and you will always fall for it. Deception is a hell of a thing.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:10 PM
From: United States
One thing is doing business and the next is "twisting" reality and ideas with negative statements.

Before You achieve all these points You must change Your country from the foundation and above..

Copy Mrs. ANTONIOJ??
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:11 PM
From: United States
"JUNIOR"

Now You getting too sensitive and non sense.

GROW UP like a man first and then You can wake up to reality.

Stop preaching Your feelings and learn to accept facts no illusions.

For how long Your country wants to be a "Dead end place to do nothing"???
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 12:14 PM
From: Canada, Oakville
One thing is doing business and the next is "twisting" reality and ideas with negative statements.

Before You achieve all these points You must change Your country from the foundation and above..

Copy Mrs. ANTONIOJ??

Show me what I have twisted, I am a little disappointed Madame in you. Among all the Haitians blogger I thought or a least try to be reasonable, balance and fair.

It appears to a beef between Rubi and 1804 I am staying out of it, I will be enjoying the debate on sidewalk.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:16 PM
From: United States
There is a "Subliminal" background on Your posted information.

Mrs. Antonioj..............
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 12:22 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Rubi you are disappointing me you must come with a better argument then that you can even use a life line and call your boyfriend arcatype to help you on this one.

Oh yeah! speaking of Long-term strategic goal I think Haiti has one "Taking Over DR" and its working marvelously. It is working so well I have people like you complaining about it all the time. Too bad DR doesn't have a plan like that you know what happens when you stand still?. The bad guy catches up to you faster lol.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 12:24 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Have you called that number I gave you yet Rubi because if you don't call I will have no choice but to let my fellow Haitians take over your local jobs in DR. lol

There is s Dominican company called mera munoz & fondeurs, SA owned by the Diaz's family that are building roads in Haiti, in St Marc, Gonaïves and Port Au Prince. The address of the Company in Dominican Republic is: Ave 27 de Febrero No 61, Edificio Metropolitano III, apto 337, Santiago DR and Ave Gilberto Gomez No 31, Ensanche Naco apto 2378, Santo Domingo, DR. Telephones in Santiago (809) 581-8880 and in Santo Domingo (809) 567-7692.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:24 PM
From: United States
"JUNIOR"

How You going to achieve this "MIRACLE" plan if You misery land is living like it was 1804....

Hopefully one of these days once Brasil and the rest of the countries start doing something for Your own people before They start getting "Screwed Up" like You

Take care JUNIOR, need to take a break from Your "Haitian bigotry"
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 12:27 PM
From: Canada, Oakville
There is a "Subliminal" background on Your posted information.

Mrs. Antonioj..............

Well I did not in anyway, I laid the facts, another tower of babel
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:28 PM
From: United States
Regarding the company I know them very well I'm from same city and We went to the same Private school and college, grewed up in the same neighborhood "JUNIOR

Relax little bit with so many details, I was borned and raised there so I know the locations, people and the nature of the business.

Take a break JUNIOR.............
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 12:34 PM
From: Canada, Oakville
Madame Rubi (eres rubia natural)

You are a genious, and an intellectual oxymoron(jejeje)
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 12:42 PM
From: United States
Your welcome Mrs. Antonioj.....or maybe Miss "sorry"
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: antonioj, 8 Jun 2008 12:51 PM
From: Canada, Oakville
check these one Madame rubi, there are a few things happening but not enough, so do not believe the hype, enjoy the scenery (disculpa eres hombre o mujer ?)

http://www.simact.net/photo_gallery.htm

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=19109579

http://www.lagonave.org/home.htm

http://www.southfloridacaribbeannews.com/story.asp?ID=3942

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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 1:05 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Excuse me while I add another to the list.

http://www.nkfz.com/

You are not the only one.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 1:21 PM
From: United States
Both "JUNIORS"

This kind of supposedly "Creativity" is non productive because You are not showing any productive so far.

Is meaningless that You are bragging on this "Dominican" blog about how superior You believe are while Your "Dirt country" is falling apart.

See the big picture, figthing with words no actions.

Dead end conclusion and this is the reason why AGAIN You country have so many mediocre people.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 1:25 PM
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Regarding My gender "JUNIOR #2" I am an alien from "MARS"
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 1:57 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Check yourself Rubi all these projects are being done by Haitians and Haitian Diasporas not by Donald Trump you imbecile. We don't need to kiss ... or suck ... to get our projects done despite our current conditions sure it might take us longer but it will be done. How many of your Hotels are owned by Dominicans? Ask yourself that? How many of your resorts are owned by Dominicans? How many you are the one living in the dream world child because in reality Dominicans Don't own Jack in La Republica Dominicana.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 2:27 PM
From: United States
JUNIOR1:

"Words are meanigless without action"
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 2:41 PM
From: Zimbabwe
So you want me to show you Donald Trump's resorts? Will that be action enough for you? Show me what DR has accomplished on its own without international help and I will do the same for Haiti. We will even start at 1845 I'll give you a year head start.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Oneworld1, 6 Jun 2008 9:57 AM
From: United States
“Why did we have to end up next to Haiti why couldn't it be the Puerto Ricans?”
The last time I look, the composition of the people of DR or PR is no different than those of Haiti, there are simply more darker skin people in the Haiti.
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A wise man once said:

Stupid people: never forget nor forgive.

Naïve people: always forget and forgive

Wise people: forgive, but never forget.

All these hatred and disparaging comments toward Haitians make me wonder if those people in DR who hate Haitians so much fall into the ‘stupid people’ category. And, if those Haitians who are quick to ‘forget and forgive’ fall into the ‘Naïve people’ category.

The DR will never forget nor forgive 1842, while the Haitians are quick to forget and forgive 1938’s massacre of 50K Haitians by Trujillo’s army. Haiti need to wise up, which is to keep Haitians millionaires from investing in DR, and prevent DR sugar industry from recruiting Haitians to DR, then we will see how closer DR want to be to PR
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: zak325, 6 Jun 2008 10:42 AM
From: United States
What I do not understand is why the avarage Dominican does NOTHING about the influx of illegal Haitains into their country. My girlfriend's mother always talks about the "Haitian invasion" like every other Dominican. My question is, if it's seen as such a problem, why is it all you do is talk about it ? Why don't Dominicans march to the Presidential palace or to the border by the thousands and demand action or, do what people along the border with Mexico have done (though I don't condone it), create a public frontier patrol. The least they could do is demand action from their politicians. If the politicos knew they would loose their jobs, they might do something about the border problem.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 6 Jun 2008 10:50 AM
From: United States
Zak325:

sounds good to me................Agree 100%
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Oneworld1, 6 Jun 2008 11:08 AM
From: United States
Zak325,

The reason DR politicians are not too quick to put an electric fence or hound dogs at the border like you suggest is because many dozen of Haitian millionaires are investing millions in DR, and the DR gov’t is investing millions to help destabilize Haiti to induce reluctant Haitian millionaires to go investing in DR.

Plus the DR sugar industry is recruiting thousand of Haitians because they could not do without that labor which they deem indispensable for their profit and the DR economy.

Many Haitians do not want their people to go and suffer humiliation in the DR, but as mentioned ago because many people in DR 'don't forget nor forgive 1842-44', then they see it as their duty to advenge by helping to create chaos in Haiti and to humiliate the Haitians.

Rome was not built in one day, so Haiti will be rebuilt; hopefully Haitians will then have the humility, which many in DR lack, to continue to live in peace next to DR (it will be wise approach, forgive, don't forget
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 11:12 AM
From: United States
"and the DR gov’t is investing millions to help destabilize Haiti to induce reluctant Haitian millionaires to go investing in DR."
What sources can you provide to authenticate such a claim?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 11:13 AM
From: Haiti
Ok, I am really getting tired of this explosion when these articles come up. Rom1804 please tell me you're kidding? I personally don't appreciate you playing tough guy talking bullsh* online.

Our compatriots that live down there can face repercussions due to your irresponsible comments. Rubi, the dominican of haitian descent that you refer to is mobilising dominicans of haitian descent to organise themselves politically to vote for a DOMINICAN PRESIDENT that will address there needs and all dominicans that are marginalised in the society.
Im still waiting for you to dish his name out. Gosh you dominicans abroad don't know what the hell is going on in the DR. Some wish they were on the same island with PR well the puerto ricans say why is DR so close that they can take a yola to Boriquen and life goes on where disparities seem to be the norm.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 11:19 AM
From: Haiti
Im so sick and tired of reading these comments. Guys can we grow up and try to resolve this matter without expressing hatred and non sense. There isn't any haitian conspiracy to take over the DR. Haiti & DR have to reach some sort of equilibrium economically and have bi-lateral agreements that will benefit the whole island in the global economy.
Haiti is a republic and DR is a republic share the same island but different countries and will remain so.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: ny4life, 6 Jun 2008 11:20 AM
From: United States, New York, NY
Jabao, do you think DR wants to destablize Haiti? I mean all I see is LF advocating funds to help Haiti at the FAO World Food Summit in Rome and other international forums as well. What do you think about that Jabao?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 11:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Well, if you're looking for the name of the candidate chap, jabao, it's Jean Baptiste Latorti (I suspect that the correct spelling of the surname is Latortue, but then, I don't need to remind you of the educational issues plaguing the island). Have a nice day, my friend.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: ny4life, 6 Jun 2008 11:27 AM
From: United States, New York, NY
Dear Dominican brothers and sisters:

The only way that We can correct this issue is creating a movement to defend our freedom by doing something proactive.

I'm being wondering because For those of You that don't know there is a "Haitian" in Dominican Republic looking for means to create a "Haitian" party in our country.

According to Him, He has the right numbers to create a movement, even worse He quote
"To have a specific number of Haitians in the senate to support his Facist Haitian revolution"

Either We wake up and face the issue now or later will be too late for our children

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I heard about the Haitian movement during the last elections when a formation of such party was taking place. DR needs to solve the issue of mass illegal Haitian migration. The fact that Haiti is unstable and the historical resentment by both countries makes one think that this could be settign the stage for such an invasion in DR.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 6 Jun 2008 11:39 AM
From: United States
Ny4life: good points...................Maybe creating a website movement would be a good idea

You sound like a very wise and smart person, waiting for Your feedback.

From the website could be something else.

Let me know please
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 11:40 AM
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"I heard about the Haitian movement during the last elections when a formation of such party was taking place. DR needs to solve the issue of mass illegal Haitian migration. The fact that Haiti is unstable and the historical resentment by both countries makes one think that this could be settign the stage for such an invasion in DR."

I went to the website of this Baptiste Latorti guy just now. It seems to me to be a genuine grass roots movement among Dominicans of haitian descent to assert their rights as Dominicans. If that's the case then good for them. Let's not judge this movement until more information is available. In the mean time let's not feed into the hysteria created by the rumor mills.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 12:36 PM
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I knew his name I was waiting for the others to do there homework. Damn you, you've helped them cheat...jajaj..Happy friday..I hope you get the humour. Anyway sense you brought it out, I can say from what I know that he isn't trying to form a haitian invasion of taking over the government. That's just a propaganda to destabilise has grass root program and further use the so ever haitian invasion as a scare tactic for dominicans struggling day to day.
Haitians have become the scapegoat for all of DR's shortcoming. All a politicians needs to do to divert his lack of responsibility is blame el haitaino. It seems to be working but I think the average dominican is starting to realize that haitian immigrant trying to survive isn't the one causing him to live in a precarious state. There is a problem with illegal immigrations from the west side but it also has benefited in the development of dominican republic due to the cheap labour and work ethics of haitians doing menial
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 12:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Heres the link - http://www.almomento.net/news/128/ARTICLE/2267/2007-12-28.html
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 12:47 PM
From: Haiti
Look at all the constructin work and development going on in the DR. It's funny many dominicans especially the immigrants abroad love to brag about the development without thanking the cheap labour of haitian workers.
Most haitians from the poor class actually don't complain about there plight and still have a smile on there face. The people benefiting are the yipeta dominicans that live on Anacaona Avenue while the poor dominican take its fustration out on the weakest link "el maldito Haitiano".
I have said it b4 Haitian government needs to step up to take care of its citizens. CESFRONT is nothing but a FRONT. I have told you guys this b4, at first I thought it was the real Mccoy until my domestic employee brought 2 more of her family members from Haiti.
The buscones brought them all the way to the capitol "La Pintura". I dont want to get into more detail but I was like ok I thought CESFRONT was the real deal. I offered to legalize her but she refuses. Go figure.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 12:55 PM
From: United States
Thanx for the article arcatype.

"La Fuerza Boschista llamó a las organizaciones a “mantenerse alerta y pronunciarse en contra de este sacrilegio y crimen de lesa patria a la memoria de los fundadores de la República, los restauradores y defensores de la democracia”."

Um, how is the lambasting of a nascent poltical party defending democracy? Democracy entails the participation of all sectors of a society. When there are marginalized groups within a society who lack a politicial voice then true democracy does not exist in said society. That this group would claim to be disciples of Juan Bosch is ludicrous.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I have the sickening suspicion that the majority of the money financing those constructions might come from unsavory activities, i. e. money that comes from laundering or "dirty money", jabao. Because, how one can justify the abundance of these projects on a country that is barely recovering from a severe economic crisis?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 1:00 PM
From: Haiti
You know what bothers the hell out of me. When dominicans abroad that got lucky to have landed in the USA and have change let's say Washington Hgts to a mini DR talk about invasion.

Have you guys taken into consideration about how americans feel about you? I mean I can understand of being concerned with the influx of illegal haitians in the DR but what about you. Blasting your music and flag on sneakers and those that have made something of themselves thanks to the opportunities vehemently oppose haitians doing that in their country.
Look at the young dominican pelotero denied a visa because he is of haitian descent. This kid would of made DR proud and further on the map as the greatest place to pick young prospect but know. If DR wants to get recognition some things must be addressed.

Retroactive laws where one was dominican all his life to find out that his name and colour has made him a target of not having papers.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 6 Jun 2008 1:08 PM
From: Zimbabwe
movimientodominicohaitiano.com

We need more organizations like this. The guy is only protecting lives regardless of shape, size, and form. Go Rubi go. oh his name is Ruben not Rubi sorry.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 1:09 PM
From: Haiti
These things are holding DR down and unfortunately the IC is picking on DR while South African blacks are killing Anglons and other immigrant neighbours. This is where I say thank God dominicans haven't reach that point...I know you guys talk alot of disparates but hey its better than what has been happening in S. AFrica although some incidents have caused harm to haitian nationals.
We both need to ask ourselves hey why hispaniola has front stage while the most advance country in on the continent of AFRICA isn't gettign NGO"s running there. I know dominicans are fustrated and have the right to be but really see it from another point of view. There isn't no conspiracy to invade a sovereign nation that is next door. We must work together to keep haitians in Haiti and improving the DR also obtaining respect in the IC on our terms not as stooges being what to do about Haitian & dominican affairs.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 1:16 PM
From: Haiti
NY4life, I personally don't think there is a conspiracy for dominican elite to keep haiti in poverty that is ludricrous and usually said by fustrated people that want to blame someone.
Now I don't think the DR elites are really trying to help either sinse they are benefitting from an enormous source of cheap labour that have no protection under the dominican law and best we can stir up the majority illiterate dominicans to have them think haitians are the cause of their plight.
So it is a win win situation. Now due to history and other events issues of haitian invasion is a toss up for anyone trying to get attention from the poor mass for there personal gain.
Haven't u notice how haitians become a topic during elections. Amable tried to pull it off and it didn't help his campaign rather showed that him like any politician will go to any length to get votes.
Now if you want to stop the flow of illegal haitians in the DR it has to come from Haiti's side. Like re-instating the army
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 1:24 PM
From: Haiti
Where haitians guards will stop illegals from crossing the border. Illegals would be drawn away since they would have to pay to tolls to get across the border. Haiti needs to have a boom in the provinces where most of the haitians living in the DR can go back and build haiti like they did in DR for a reasonable salary that can prevent them from going to the DR. It is all economics people..
Fernandez is a bright and one of the best president of the DR and has a good relation with Preval. I think things will improve for both countries but MINUSTAH need to pack up and leave there vacation resort and the opposition in Haiti need to reconcile. Also the drug cartel need to be charged a larger tax fee which will have them find somewhere else to move there product. let's be serious it going to get in but no some of it is staying and causing more problems.
Crack heads that need a fix and have a dime so what does that cause "crime". hasta la vista..
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:06 PM
From: United States
That tiny border is equal to driving between NY and Delaware...
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 2:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitiano you live in your own planet it's called denial, how can you compare the United States with Dominican Republic as far as the influx of illegal's, the U.S. is a fully developed country with 3 million square miles of land.
The D.R. is merely 19,000 square miles not fully developed a second world country. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere with over 80% of it's population living in poverty, no vital infrastructure extreme unemployment no health care. Haiti relies mostly on food that comes from the U.S. and other developed countries, haiti cant feed itself.
How can the D.R. take care of 2 million illegals on top of that take care of their own poor, they could deport 1 million haitians in 3 years that same amount will leave Haiti in a heart beat. Theres nothing in Haiti but poverty misery and political strife, nobody wants to invest in a place where their in danger of being kidnapped or killed. Or where theirs sporadic political violence sponsored.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:12 PM
From: United States
Food for thought everyone; will a unify Quisqueya be possible? what will be the gain and what will be the loss
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 2:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cont., By political parties, Haiti was established over 200 years ago and still remains violent and extremely poor.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 2:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti and the Congo sure perfect match, although the congolese probably dont want there country to become like the Sahara treeless.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:30 PM
From: United States
Que fue lo que quisiste decir en el ultimo mensaje? English is ok
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 2:37 PM
From: Haiti
arcatype you can wish all you want but the only home we have is in Haiti on the island of Hispaniola. The Haitian gov't needs to put immigration on its political forefront much the same way the D.R needs to and botyh gov'ts need to strengthen bi-lateral policies that will benefit the average paysan (Haitian and Dominican). That silent invasion is a scapegoat used by xenophobic Dominicans to assert their anti-immigration causes.
Yes there are too many Haitians in the D.R but they're simply people looking for work trying to eke out a decent life and they could careless about "taking over" the D.R which would actually be near impossible. There isn't no Balkanization as the political boundaries are recognized and established by both countries so no matter how many Haitians are in the D.R the land will remain Dominican land.
The group of Dominico-Haitians in D.R. are starting a movement to support and find a presidential candidate (a Dominican) that would see their strife of dealing against
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 2:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitian How about the haitians living in flatbush, Brooklyn. And how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 2:43 PM
From: Haiti
(cont'd) racism and discrimination and to address these problems with solutions. And Jabao is right in that I don't think that most of you U.S residing Dominicans (save for a few) actually know the specifics, reasons, and causes of what is happening on the island when it comes to Haitians and Dominicans.
The Rubirosites wish they were next to PR but the deal would be the same in the end except that in this case the DR would be on the negative end of things. It's called karma. Fernandez has been a great Dominican president and he has advocated for change and support for Haiti but once again, the demonization of your neighbor will do nothing but put a stench of negativity upon you hence the international community's claims of racism and prejudice at Haitians in the Dominican Republic.
Jabao said it earlier, thank god we're not at the level of hostility that exists in South Africa and its neighboring countries but do you think we'll be getting anywhere as nations with all this conflict
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Any political party with a pro-haiti agenda should be banned, and will be banned by dominicans believe me that wont last!!!!!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 2:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as karma is concern, haiti has self inflicted it's own destruction. That's your own karma story.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 2:49 PM
From: Haiti
(con't)Cutting contact and interaction with Haiti would not only be unwise but stupid seeing to the fact that Haiti imports a great deal of Dominican products and Dominicans actually do benefit from cheap labor. Construction companies would miss Haitian migrant workers in replacement for the average Dominican worker who would demand a higher wage generally. The D.R has been a double-edged sword for Haiti in that although they have aided Haiti somewhat, they have not been supportive (and perhaps harmful) to Haiti as well. The "online trinitarios" (the Rubirosites' beloved moniker) will simply have to deal with the fact that the island will always remain as two separate but dependent countries and both countries will have to act as such.
I want my country to prosper and I'd like it if the D.R could one day become a close ally of Haiti's but I see that far from happening when so many Dominicans think like the trinitarios do. Conspiracy this and conspiracy that, I have yet to see a
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 2:51 PM
From: United States
" how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings? "

To the whites here the haitians are no different than other predominately African-descended peoples. Hell, most anglos would fail to make the distinction between a darkskinned Dominican and a haitian and that's a fact. To most Anglos black is black is black.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 2:54 PM
From: Haiti
(cont'd) uprising within the D.R. Strict enforcement of illegal immigration to the D.R would be just and good however the anti-Haitian sentiment creates nothing but an atmosphere of hate which can only result in negativity.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 2:55 PM
From: United States
"Any political party with a pro-haiti agenda should be banned"

But does the organization being discussed have a pro-Haitian agenda or are they simply trying to assert their rights within the society they were born in? If the latter is the case then it is not a pro-haitian agenda but a civil rights one and if that is the case then more power to them.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:55 PM
From: United States
HAYkickyouintheSHIN, can you tell me if the average Haitian will agreed to live under a Dominican government?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: DannyVC, 6 Jun 2008 3:02 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
I'm pretty sure the average Haitian doesn't give a damn about what government he is living under as long as there's a job for him, enough food for him to eat and a relative sense of peace to his life.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 3:03 PM
From: Haiti
Cibaeno is right in that in the eyes of many (or most ) Anglos, immigrants from the Caribbean islands, whether Hispanic or non-Hispanic are all regarded as the same. Either black or non-white and to most of them it is the same. Washington Heights, Flatbush, South Bronx, East NY, Sunset Park and all other enclaves are regarded as formerly white "American" blue collar neighborhoods that are now "invaded" by "non-American" hoodlums (Jamaicans, Dominicans, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, etc.).
White Americans laugh and scoff at the fact that people from the same island that are predominately of African descent (whether black or mulatto) hate each other so much and although we have some notable differences, to them we are the same and I'm not saying that is true but it is a fact here in the U.S.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cibaeno75 What are you trying to say? Likewise they see all mexicans as browns, how about African "Americans" they are black not white but they are as american as a white american go figure cibaeno75.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 3:07 PM
From: Haiti
"I'm pretty sure the average Haitian doesn't give a damn about what government he is living under as long as there's a job for him, enough food for him to eat and a relative sense of peace to his life."

That would go for anyone regardless of nationality if they lived lives of squalor and destitution. Its a basic human need and desire.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 3:11 PM
From: Haiti
arcatype what cibaeno is trying to say and what you simply cannot comprehend is that in America if you come from the Caribbean or Latin America, for the most part you are a minority and the same way you assert your biased patriotic views of your country, there are those in America that are so nationalistic and racist to the point of being against all things that are not white American and therefore have strong disdain for minorities (even black Americans) and the cultural practices and influences they bring.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as white america is concerned i could care less, the Dominican Republic is the subject matter here not the U.S.A., so stay within the parameter.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 3:13 PM
From: Haiti
HAYkickyouintheSHIN, can you tell me if the average Haitian will agreed to live under a Dominican government?

If by average you mean extremely poor then I can say that the average Haitian would agree to live under any government that provides him/her and his/her family with a decent way of life. As I said before the same would apply to any person living in absolutely dire circumstances regardless of nationality.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States
"Cibaeno75 What are you trying to say? Likewise they see all mexicans as browns, how about African "Americans" they are black not white but they are as american as a white american go figure cibaeno75"

I'm not TRYING to say anything. I said it. Many anglos do not diffentiate much between people of color. Put a dark Dominican and a haitian in front of your average white here and you'll get that wonderful reply: "same shit".
As a matter of fact many anglos take a second look at me when I tell them I'm Dominican. At first glance they guess I'm Puerto Rican. Many anglos (and indeed many latins) assume that all Dominicans are dark skinned. If you don't beleive me then I suggest you get out more next time you come to the states.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 3:14 PM
From: Haiti
Arcatype, Listen you know nothing of Haiti and only rant about the negatives. I can do the same with the DR and no it isn't a 2nd world country where blackout is a common occurence.
Look at you pushing DR more than it is and pressing down Haiti more than it is not. When will you grow up and realize that both countries are dependent on each other but are two different countries with no agenda of uniting. I mean you are such a hypocrite. So it's cool for dominicans to organize in the USA for their interest here but haitians doing so in the DR is being Pro-haitian.
Want do you want boy. You blame haiti for everything damn if we do and damn if we don't.. Dude, you don't even know DR? but sure have alot to say about haitians living there. If you look at the books DR is getting rich off haiti's upheaval too bad the average dominican doesn't get to see none that money to buy a new home in Cacicazgos.
Dude most of you dominicans are from poor backgrounds..I see you no different
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as the average dominican they are concerned! being bombarded by illegal's from Haiti, we dont want to become haiti.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 3:25 PM
From: Haiti
country for 20 plus years and can't speak english..Jes, I american..Get real dude..humble yourself..USA has given a poor boy like you a chance to rant and you are getting besides yourself. In DR you have no pull and still seen as la gente pobre..mal educado..no affirmative action here..even haitians in middle class living in the DR would not associate with you..this ain't Kansas..humble urself..and love what you have and appreciate..walk in there shoes b4 talking garbage..and yes illegal immigration should be address..civically..is it embedded in your head.
How are you becoming haiti..listen white expats will spread its golden superior seeds among haitians and dominicans and DR will stay a majority mulatto..There..y punto DR remain the same.como siempre..no j***
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitian we depend on Haiti for what????? If exploiting people is a grand thing then i could understand why the majority in haiti are called peasants, a word you like to throw at people you self hating fool.
The average dominican the poor masses suffer because of the exploitation of your sorry asses. That's why there wages cant meet the demands of the high prices of food. Do me a favor and stop trying to speak for dominicans youre a haitian so talk about your country. Dont say NADA about D.R. stay in your home!!!!!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 3:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The Haitians have become masters of excuses they have one for every situation . Just when your not expecting it they pop up; with a new one . To bad you can’t eat excuses .
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 3:32 PM
From: Haiti
Arcatype I am haitian and very proud..I guess I've touched a nerve..you spigger..listen Im not in the mood today..ok, im not others here..no te pones bravo online..I'll give you my DR number and I will wipe your little spigger behind up and down indepedencia ave all the way to the airport. I speak as myself and a proud haitian national..as I said you know nothing of your country..keep reading mediocre books and going to the parade in the city to show off your dominican heritage and visit your family de vez en cuando..better yet marry your cousin so she can get her papers to come to disparities with you online..how soon we forget how we use to live platanos and salami as main course meals... This is address to arcatype not the dominican people.. how many toilets your mother wash to give you what u have now..urban peasant..lol..
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitiano Oh dont apologize you self agrandizer idiot, everything that you post comes from your bowels words full of defecation!!!!!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They have no defense because that country if you can call it that! is really a toilet.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 3:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This web site is just like the Dr, Haitians are trying to take over…….
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 3:44 PM
From: Haiti
Listen I will give you my number or Ill met you in the USA..and we can discuss this like men..on your turf..what do you say? I am dead serious. As I said having a moody day and can't bare poor idiots like you talking things they know nothing about..what do you know about the DR..dude probably has a fake acta de nacimientoor an older family member..how old are you really? Prices are high are you coming down this year. How can one address a fool that doesn't know anything..online trinatarios..simply turn off the PC and bye bye..
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 3:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Why don’t you go sacrifice a chicken or something? that’s what you people do right?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States
arcatype, you posted:
"Jabaohaitian How about the haitians living in flatbush, Brooklyn. And how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings? "
A few posts later:
"As far as white america is concerned i could care less, the Dominican Republic is the subject matter here not the U.S.A., so stay within the parameter."
Do you see the contradictions in your postings?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
All you got to do is read the history of Dominican Republic these spineless fools, have always crossed over. We never invaded or occupied them, because we dont want to be part of them Jabaohaitiano go to a haitian thread and talk all the phony b.s. you want. And agrandize yourself and call the dark haitians the 97% of them PEASANTS.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cibaeno75 Learn how to read comprehend the english language, then adress me O.K.!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: cibaeño75, 6 Jun 2008 3:57 PM
From: United States
"Cibaeno75 Learn how to read comprehend the english language, then adress me O.K.!"

LOL..if you say so. Carry on niño. Sigue comiendo fiao.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: DannyVC, 6 Jun 2008 4:02 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
lol "To bad you can’t eat excuses" that was pretty funny. If excuses could be eaten Haiti would be the smorgasbord of the Caribbean.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 4:03 PM
From: Haiti
hehehe! Arcatype has just accused Cibaeno of not comprehending English!? That's a good one! Many times, Arcatype, was I forced simply for the sake of debate, to read and try to understand your linguistically flawed posts that not only contradict each other but often goes on a tangent unrelated to the topic being discussed at hand! Similar to the posts of Rubirosa but better written.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 4:04 PM
From: Haiti
Arcatype,
Again shaking my head..it's that american influence in you trying to be PC. Haiti is comprise of majority of peasants..colour has nothing to do with being a peasant..obviously in the DR one can go to el cibao and find many white peasants. You are so insecure about yourself. Take a look in the mirror. Hispaniola is one island with two different sovereign country..how many time do I have to re-iterate this to you "urban peasant". That's the new term for today.. If you are so game start the crusade with haitians from the borough of Brooklyn..you won't even get to DR to claim victory..silly that en el dia de hoy hay gente como tu..have you no shame..it's 2008 and peasants have cell phones in haiti and DR, this guy is talking about invasion..ay mi madre..disparates.. I think they are more worried about minutes on their phone..llamame pa'tra no tengo minuto..lol..
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Arcatype, let these Haitians and their sympathizers think they are winning because the Dominican people will soon wake up to this crap! y e’pa fuera que van!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 4:10 PM
From: Haiti
Hay,

This guy is really insecure and trying to be super dominican. Can we blame upbringing in the DR or USA..who knows..I prefer Rubi..at least I know he had a couple of clairin b4 typing nonsense this type is sober and aware his driving in the dark with no head lights..I guess he still think he's in the DR..lol. Can;t teach a donkey new tricks no matter how hard you train him.. For some reasons these post generate alot of internal issues people have in them...WHY???
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 6 Jun 2008 4:12 PM
From: Haiti
Casanova,
Are we playing a monopoly game..win what? Are you guys serious..I am going to come out with a video game where haitians and domincans go in all out war..keep you guys busy doing something..is there a war I dont know about?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 4:16 PM
From: Haiti
I preferred Rubi as well..lol! He actually was quite humorous in his strong beliefs of blind patriotism. These guys simply have ridden on his back and have essentially started their own idiotic "trinitarios" movement that will result in nothing but more stupidity and tension. You guys actually are putting shame upon yourselves by thinking that ethnic cleansing or a diplomatic ban is the way to protect your country from a "threat" that simply wants to work. Really sad.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 4:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I agree Casanova.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 4:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I have no problem with Haitians they are some of the most humble and pleasant people in the world(they possess that old soul that the Dominican campecino use to have(before he moved to the Urban city). What I do have a problem with is people who may have the capabilities’ to help there country, complaining all the time; instead of going to Haiti and doing something positive. I have been to Haiti many times(I own a company that imports heavy restaurant industrial equit. From many countries) I do business there and what gets me is how a people with such a large migrant population can still live in 1700’s.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 4:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If only her people cared about the situation instead of” drowning in a glass of water” lets get real ok! Haitians need to come back to their country and engage the government full on; then they need to implement soil rehabilitation campaign(the soil conditions in Haiti have been grossly blow out of proportion, the soil can be rehabbed I have done soil feasibilities studies in Haiti(I'm an agronomist by both education and trade)while simultaneously teaching her people not destroy the land . Haiti can get back on her feet but people abroad need to stop bitching and start doing before is really to late.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 5:01 PM
From: Haiti
(cont'd from comment below) the country. Would you ? I would think not.
Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 5:01 PM
From: Haiti
Well Casanova at least you're a worthwhile nationalist and have been to Haiti unlike your sheltered and discriminatory compatriots that insult without knowledge of what the heck they're talking about. I hope you don't use your "trade and skill set" to encourage the bashing of Haitians that migrate to your country especially seeing to the fact that I assume you are an educated individual and therefore should know the concept of ethics and morality.
Challenging government policy as a collective diasporic group isn't an easy task as people think it may be. Unlike the DR, Haiti doesn't have dual nationality and that limits our "voice" if you may say so. Furthermore, because of this, we are not citizens of Haiti in contrast to Dominicans citizens of the U.S that can still claim Dominican citizenship.
I certainly wouldn't invest in a politically unstable country, judging from the risk and my limited capability of influencing the state's policies, no matter how much I loved and had pride for
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 5:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
First off ! that’s another excuse; second, why? do u come on this web site to engage individuals if you u urself don’t believe in your people, that’s sad . People like you is why Haiti is the way it is today , you always stop to think about what would be the best for u, but your people are starving and need educated individuals to take charge but that just not convenient for people that’s are need in Haiti today, because it’s just not on ur schedule. Hayshin, nobody said it would be easy sometimes u just have to say WTF and do it any way u know why because it’s the right thing to do . Fight for ur rights and take Haiti back(which will bring the situation into stasis) then maybe we can have a more amicable discussions on social cultural dynamics, ethnographies on both side of the island..
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 5:44 PM
From: Haiti
Excuse? I told you a cold hard fact, a fact which is an impediment for the diaspora to spur significant change in Haiti and you consider that an excuse? WTF are u talking about?
How is stating the reality of the situation mean I don't believe in my people? Please enlighten me. I want to hear from the Dominican agronomist and businessman who thinks he knows what the solution to Haiti's plight is.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 5:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians abroad need to unite and since the Gov. needs the remittances to drive the local eco. it shouldn’t be hard to force their hand, it would take some unity and some hard work but this is not exactly a mission to mars get ur rights back.

P.S going on internet to a Dominican Web site and bitching is not doing a thing for Haiti
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: zak325, 6 Jun 2008 5:58 PM
From: United States
A country can only be rebuilt by those within. Look at Lebanon, a country utterly destroyed from 1976 to 1996. There were out side forces who manipulated the population, but at a certain point, they realized they must be pragmatic and put their differences behind them(somewhat) in order to save the country.
Thousands migrated to local arab countries and the west, some even migrated to Haiti. Once the fighting ended, many thousands returned to their homeland to invest and rebuild Lebanon. Of course there are major differences between Haiti and Lebanon, but the solution to their problems are similar.
Once Haitians tire of bad, non-representative government and recover their sense of national pride (which is hard when you never felt like the country was actualy yours) they will demand a government that represents their interests. Haitians in the diaspora should then feel confident to invest, return and there would be little reason to leave. This CAN happen, just when is the question.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 6:07 PM
From: Haiti
1. You've been the one bitching the whole time on H aitians "invading" your country and for Haiti to get its act together.

2. Remittances can't be used as a political incentive because the diaspora will always send money to their families regardless so there's no idea in that. Stop sending money to my family so that I can vote? I don't think so.

3. National pride has nothing to do with national influence. We can't demand a gov't that represents our interests because we're not citizens, we don't live there, and the gov't can only affect the Haitians living on the island not the diaspora. Don't you think there have been diaspora rallies and seminars in the enclaves of South Florida on addressing these issues with the Haitian gov't? Until the country changes a few of its policies and starts to embrace the diaspora as part of them, there will always be just so much that we can do. End of story.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 6:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"You've been the one bitching the whole time on Haitians "invading" your country and for Haiti to get its act together."

If I was a Haitian, I wouldn’t be bitching, I would be DOING, or at least die trying. Maybe ya can organize a campaign to discredit Haiti internationaly for denying u, ur rights now that would be poetic.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 6:17 PM
From: Haiti
P.S I came to this website to learn from you people on your country and your opinions and views on my country.
It's sad that the great majority of you people have such disdain for my country and I am not pushing a pro-Haiti agenda on here, simply stating the reality of things.
Naturally, whenever Haiti is mentioned on this site, nothing but insult after insult after insult is thrown at us and although I can't change one's views (and I'm not trying to) on Haiti, I'll defend my homeland and there's nothing anti-Dominican or threatening about that.
I participate on a great deal of forums because I enjoy discussing topics pertaining to the Caribbean and trust me I'm an open-minded guy so there'll be no country-hating on my part.
The debates and discussions on here with the likes of Lautaro and Cibaeno and Jabao have been insightful and objective and I will continue to discuss in a friendly atmosphere, the Dominican Republic and its relativity to Haiti and vice/versa.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: casanovadr, 6 Jun 2008 6:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Again, I have no problems with haitians; they are for the most part great people, but something needs to be done by ur people not mine.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 6 Jun 2008 6:26 PM
From: Haiti
Thank you for acknowledging that casanova and I have no problem whatsoever with the Dominican people but something needs to be done by both countries. Haiti needs to fix the mess that it is in to keep migrants from crossing the border and the Dominican Republic needs to fix its civil rights situation in regard to the Haitian migrants (legal or illegal) that are living there.
Mutual cooperation can only benefit not harm. I'm telling you the stronger and more cooperative the relations with Haiti, the better the D.R will be.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 9:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Casanovadr Talking to these characters is like talking to a piece of wood, look at his excuse the haitian diaspora cant do nothing because they are not citizens. Meanwhile you got foreigners going to feed and cloth the haitians, they are not citizens they still try to help. They dont want to do nothing, because like you said they are living in the 1700's, and it's so funny they boast about being free from slavery. They have child slavery in Haiti they call them Restavek's is haiti's little dirty secret, what a disgrace.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: jemesouviens1804, 6 Jun 2008 10:13 PM
From: United States
The only disgrace here is how you rejoice over the misery, malice, and shortcomings of a nation and their people....But dont worry, nothing last forever.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 6 Jun 2008 10:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You guys accuse everybody about wrong doings but you dont like to bring to light your negative ways, that's the hypocrisy of haitians. Always cry racism or blame external forces is time for Haitians to put there house in order and stop blaming others for your misfortunes.
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From: United States
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Shoot himself on his foot.
Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 6 Jun 2008 10:38 PM
From: United States
Agree with Arcatype and Casanovadr, the racist card is getting tiresome for me, Haitians have to look at the broader horizon instead of blaming the past, present and future for their miseries.
Dominicans get discriminated as well but are always pushing and improving for the better and this is the main reason why DR is far advanced.
Our president was asking for help in the recent summit in Rome, He didn't even asked for anything major for us but Haitians.
I haven't seen any Haitian praising and appreciating his extra effort to alleviate their misery.

Haitians must learn to separate racism from reality, like Arcatype and Casanova mentioned as long as Haitians want to live in the past it will never be any type of improvements on their country.

Regarding the guy Baptiste trying to start a party in our country I truly believe this is a major disrespect to our founding fathers since He is trying to polarize and call unnecesary attention.

Sooner or later He will
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From: United States
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Shoot himself on his foot
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 7 Jun 2008 1:16 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Yeah,Yeah,Yeah Blah, Blah, Blah Rubi. I'm currently in talk with a Dominican Company once I'm done with that deal you can count this as one more Dominican Business owned by a Haitian. I don't have to set foot in DR to own DR. lol laughing all the way to the bank.......
P.S. Once I have this company first thing I will do is fire most of the Dominican workers and Higher Haitians or Dominicans with Haitian Heritage sooner or later all Haitians or Dominican-Haitians will be the working class in DR. Pureblooded Dominicans will have no choice but to take a boat to PR or Spain.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 8:53 AM
From: United States
Room1804:

Already told You to stop drinking and smoking, now You are going places.
Stop dreaming and do something more proactive for Your country instead, talk is cheap and actions speak a 1,000 words.
Your non sense typing is making You look more foolish than you are.
Hopefully rest of the planet do something for Your country before it's too late, since You brain is screwed up already.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 7 Jun 2008 8:54 AM
From: Haiti
Casanova, i've read you thus far you seem like a reasonable person. listen, things are getting better in haiti and alot of haitians abroad have not become citizens of the country they reside just to still have their rights in haiti. The flights to haiti are always full despite the recent situations.
No one is coming here making excuses. Actually, the bitching have been from a poor dominican from the lower class of your society that has benefited from usa opportunities, financial aide free public schools..Section 8 housing talking disparities about haitians that are migrating to the DR looking for work. if you read most of those post you;ll see these urban peasants are the one stuck in the past. Talking garbage about haitian invasion and africanising the DR and turn around to attempt to lecture haitians..listen if haitians doing menial jobs in the DR it would not have developed t where it is now.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 7 Jun 2008 9:02 AM
From: Haiti
now addressing the illegal migration to the DR is a no brainer. Despite the fact we have to take into consideration that these illegals have helped DR prosper in so many ways that i dont know where to begin. haiti will prosper and preventing illegal haitians should be a priority for the haitian government and the DR need to uphold its civil rights regarding dominicans of haitiain descent. i dont see anything wrong with the dominican baptiste organising dominicans for improvement of their situation in the DR. Funny they call this disrespect but dominicans organising for their civil rights in other countries it is seen as a step of progress.
Dont you see the hypocrisy of these urban peasants? DR has another haitian immigrant group that are professionals facilitating DR/Haiti investments. Another thing dominicans abroad come to the DR and have a difficult time if they are not connected or charge almost gringo prices haiti is not different and haitians are there.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 9:04 AM
From: United States
JabaoHaitian:

Haven't seem so far any Dominican saying anything about color regarding Haitians, bad thing about you guys is that always focus on color, race and discrimination.

Main point is too complicated and this is really bad since Your people don't want to recognize, acknowledge and see the main picture.

Already told You in the past that I don't see the point on You pointing out that every Dominican that lives in NY lives in a project, get section 8 or food stamps.

This is narrow minded on your side and to me either You do it to downgrade us or because You are ignorant.

Don't want to give You details but Dominicans in NY, Boston, Providence and Penssylvania do have supermarkets, grocery stores, own taxy companies, are police supervisors, have key positivons in city halls.

In NY all the Spanish radio stations have majority of Dj's being Dominicans and i know myself lots of friends that own many supermarkets and are extremely wealthy people.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 9:07 AM
From: United States
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Regarding Your fellow people (Haitians), our president is always going the extra mile to assist Your country and like said before on the recent Rome summit He was talking about Your country in the best and most humane terms.
On the other hand What payback We receive, ungrateful citizens with negative and biased points of view wanting to destroy our country with no reason.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 7 Jun 2008 9:21 AM
From: Haiti
I vehemently oppose NGO's bashing the DR for discrimination and human rights violation but it does exist towards haitians in the DR. I feel it should be something dominicans and haitians need to resolve and find solutions. ngo's are all on vacation and live in the nice areas in the DR/haiti and preaching afar...why not go live in Cite soleil or Capotillo.
If many dominicans on here talking out of stupidity and negative stereotypes rather than they say let me give you a hand to pull you up. I, too, come from the same background and lucky enough to have migrated to USA where I have made a decent life for myself..no we have radicals that no nothing of there own country let alone DR waving the bandera as if the two countries were at war..i understand you fools now..trying to be super dominican to feel they belong to a part of society that has rejected them and kept their lineage in marginalise barrios now they feel they can belong and one of the jobs is to despise the haitians.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 9:29 AM
From: United States
JabaoHaitian:

First lines are very clear and objective but once again Saying that We want to be super Dominicans is non sense, nobody is posting anything other that real concerns and
realistic goals for the better of our country period.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JabaoHaitian, 7 Jun 2008 9:30 AM
From: Haiti
Rubi my buddy long time..listen as you mention they are dominicans making progress because of opportunities given. Why dont you want haitians to have the same opportunities in the DR.

Look at that young dominican prospect baseball player that saw his dreams taken away because of his parents background. imagine that happen to all the supermarket owners taxi owners colmado owners in the USA..the hudson would have little dominican shacks like ozama riverol. Besides haitians are doing the same in the usa so there.
This is not about dominican or haitians doing better or out doing each other. Fernandez is my main man and gets my upmost respect. maybe you should take some advice from him. A better haiti means a better DR too...simple math..follow your smart leaders as him and youll be a super dominican patriot..without bashing haitians..yes u can be proud of your nationality without hating your neighbours it doesnt make u less dominican..ur composition is improvin.taking nite classes..lol
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:09 AM
From: United States
Johnusa:

Nobody mentioned color skin yet, nothing related to race as far as I see so far.
Plus very unprofessional foul language and ghetto sentences.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JOHNUSA, 7 Jun 2008 11:12 AM
From: United States
As an American I have problems with both illegal Dominicans and Haitians. My agenda is to rid the USA of all illegal Dominicans and Haitians. Why can't you illegal Dominicans and Haitians stay in your country? We Americans do not want your guys in our country. Nothing good comes out of Dominican Replubic and Haiti.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:16 AM
From: United States
JOnhusa:
You have all the right to express Your opinions since everybody is entitled to have one but You cross-check your thoughts with the "Ghetto" wording and foul language.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JOHNUSA, 7 Jun 2008 11:22 AM
From: United States
To: JRRubirosa
I read your posts. I need to get in contact with you, to give you a membership to join the Brotherhood. We can use you as an agent by sending you back to DR to fight the Haitians.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:25 AM
From: United States
JOhnusa:


Broterhood???

Membership??

Agent???

Please be specific.............

Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:43 AM
From: United States
Johnusa:

KKK???

Good luck buddy.......

I'm here to defend and represent my country "Dominican Republic" nothing else...........

Plus If You already mentioned that You hate Dominicans either You're contradicting yourself or You didn't take Your Prozac today.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JOHNUSA, 7 Jun 2008 11:47 AM
From: United States
To JRRubirosa:

I offered you an invitation to join our prestigious brotherhood. And all you said was good luck buddy. Is that a yes or no. Talk to me Brother.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:49 AM
From: United States
Read the past comment "Johnusa" please .....
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:50 AM
From: United States
room1804:

How's your multi million company doing in the Dominican Republic so far??

good luck with Your entrepeneur skills in your dreams...................
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 7 Jun 2008 11:54 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Maybe I should have invested on a Metro in Haiti instead of investing in DR what do you think Rubi?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:57 AM
From: United States
JOhnUSa:

Your comments are dubious and Your personality lacks character to to this, I think You are mistaken my opinions and perceptions.
Your identity is blurry as well and I do have an idea Where You are from.
I'm too old to be foolished and know already where you belong to (nationality)
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 7 Jun 2008 12:01 PM
From: Zimbabwe
You are so Racist Rubi. You make me sick. Did you know my first love was a Dominican girl she lived next door to us God I loved her. I think about her all the time last I heard from her she moved back to DR I hope someday I can visit her when DR is no longer DR when I give her back rightful name AYITI.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 7 Jun 2008 12:03 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Rubi you hate me because you are a racist low life I hate you because you are a racist low life so why don't u do us all a favor and go ...yourself uh?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 7 Jun 2008 12:06 PM
From: Zimbabwe
I'll tell you what Rubi why don't I give you my address in Haiti you can come a discuss this better yet I will give you my address in the USA or Canada will you come?
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 12:21 PM
From: United States
Room1804:
Are You on drugs???
I'm not kidding You on this question.
You are extremely delussional, maybe You are taking meth or something else.
Anyway see You later since I'm waisting my time with an addict.
Say no to drugs please and good luck with Your multi million company in Dominican Republic tonight in your dreams. LOL
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 7 Jun 2008 1:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
JR RUBIROSA
These two have nothing to do but talk garbage, JohnUSA included. Ignore them they just want attention.
And Jabaohaitiano im not even wasting my time with a person that spews ignorance and lives in denial and thinks he's on top of the world you sure have a big head mister.
He's so proud to be haitian he spends his time on a dominican thread how pathetic, i will never join a haitian thread even if they would bash dominicans what do i care.
I dont give a shit about Haiti, i just dont want D.R. to become Haiti. I dont like your language and i dont like nothing pertaining to Haiti comprende!!!!!
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 7 Jun 2008 2:36 PM
From: Zimbabwe
I'm glad you said that arcatype I'm so happy that you have no desire to join anything that has anything to do with Haitians. That's the reason why I'm here Arcatype you know Alexander The Great didn't seat on his butt and conquered half of the world he actually was involved in the wars and a lot of traveling was required and that's one of the reasons why it will aways be easy for Haitians to conquer DR because the ones that cares passionately about DR (i.e. The franco's,rubi's,arcatype's) doesn't like to travel.
Consider this there would be less damage done on your turf (DR) if you take the fight to the enemy (HT)instead of letting the enemy (HT)come to you (DR) at least you (DR)can always retreat if things doesn't go well now if you let the enemy (HT) come to you (DR)then when you (DR)lose you lose and there wont be any where to run because the enemy is already at your door.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: arcatype, 7 Jun 2008 3:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thank you rom1804 for being candid, you see i respect you more then jabaohaitiano because your honest on how you feel.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: Lautaro, 7 Jun 2008 5:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I´ll have to disagree with you, mr. souviens, you see, the government responsible for the terrorist acts against Haiti was the one of Hipolito Mejía (the coup against Aristide would be carried out on the months between Dec 2003-Feb 2004, Mejía would be thrown out of office on August 2004), so I find it unjust that you´re blaming Leonel for those acts, even more so considering that on this government have been less frequent than the norm of past governments, and that Leonel (from his Funglode foundation) have been encouraging acts of friendship between both countries, more than any other administration, in fact.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 7 Jun 2008 11:14 PM
From: United States
room1804:

Stop doing drugs please................
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: carbelk99, 7 Jun 2008 11:18 PM
From: United States
Zimbawe 1804 i believe you . because what you say that haiti wans to do to my country i am going back to my fathers farm in juan lopez ,Moca i am goint to call my uncle in la capital and DEPORT 40 Haitians nationals and their kidds back to haiti Thanks Zimbawe 1804......way to go.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: rom1804, 8 Jun 2008 7:36 AM
From: Zimbabwe
carbelk99. Do you need help why only 40 why not deport the whole country that's what I'm aiming for. lol you said that like you were doing us some harm lol you'll be doing me a favor.
Do you think your pathetic father can afford Dominican nationals to work on his farm .....NO, maybe, if so, for how long?
Your father will be bankrupt eventually. I think your uncle , daddy etc.. would tell you that you are mad and that you are not thinking clearly.
Go ahead make the call. Do you need phone cards? I'll buy you a few. You can't stop us carbelk it's already been done. You think I we just woke up one day and thought of this plan. This plan has been in effect for many years my friend and now it is at a point where it is unstoppable that's why I'm allow to brag about it freely because you can't stop it anymore its already done. This is just the Victory lap honey. and I'm really sorry if you feel that way.. See your hatred for us Haitians is fueled by racism & I, I'm fighting for UNITY.
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 8:47 AM
From: United States
Room1804
Sweet dreams, keep dreaming and doing dope buddy, You are living in denial, ilussion and in the history.
It shows Your lack of character, personality and Your lazy mentality, maybe is your mediocre ancestry.
This plan of Yours sound very childish and dumb, how You going to achieve this buddy I guess it will be with "Vodoo", right???
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JUNIOR1:

So why You "Dirt land" is still in the 1804 and going everyday backwards??

"Words are meaningless"

Why the MINUSHTAH is there (for FUN)????

Why rest of the planet invest NOTHING???

WHy FRANCE gives a C...?? about Your people

USA, Canada, etc etc
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Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jun 2008 3:09 PM
From: United States
JUNIOR1:

"Get Your act together first and then We talk about progress..................."

Main reason that We get all kinds of investment because "Dominicans" are proactive, hard working people and do want to go the extra mile to advance.

Don't give me Your "Lame duck" excuses about being this color, racism and discrimination because is the same 300 years excuse to do nothing.
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