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Obama choisit Joseph Biden, êtes-vous d'accord avec ce choix ?
 Oui , parce que Joe Biden comblera son manque d'expérience en politique étrangére...
 non, il aurait du choisir Hillary pour unir le parti
 Oui , c'est un duo d'expérience et de changement
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 6:59

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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 8:06

[b]Biden est un choix judicieux.Il est un Sénateur du Delaware,mais il est né dans l'état voisin de la Pennsylvanie et les Démocrates ne peuvent pas gagner la présidence sans la Pennsylvanie.

De plus ,il a ce qu'on appelle aux Etats Unis un "compelling story".Ses parents étaient de la classe laborieuse et il a toutes les crédences,il a marché pour les Droits des Noirs,et est et était un bon défenseur de Ces Droits soit à la Chambre ,soit au Sénat .
Il est aussi un défenseur farouche des Syndicats qui subissent les attaques des Républicains.

Obama a besoin d'un "attack dog" qui n'a pas froid aux yeux ,sa tache sera de démanteler Mc Cain ,pour dire tout ce qu'un candidat à la présidence ne pourrait pas dire.

Biden n'a pas la langue dans sa poche,il a une langue de "razoir".
Il n'a pas le problème de John Edwards qui était le candidat à la vice-présidence de John Kerrey.Sa timidité a peut ètre couté la présidence à Kerrey.

Il ne faut pas oublier aussi sa longue expérience comme chairman du Comité des Affaires Etrangères du Sénat et aussi le Comité de Justice.
Biden est un Hillary Clinton sans le "fardeau"
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 8:23

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Esperons que Senateur Biden pourra unir le parti.Mon objection au choix du Senateur Biden est sa position sur l'echiquier politique et son origine.Vous et moi avions deja conclu qu'il sera très difficile pour les democrates de gagner la presidence sans un vote massif dans les etats du Sud en leur faveur.Joe Biden ,bien qu'experimenté,est originaire du Nord'est des Eats unis;il est un liberal comme Senateur Obama.Les Reagan and blue collar white democrates vont-ils voter pour deux liberaux?Joe Biden pourra-t-il satisfaire les Clinton democrates?Esperons qu'ils monteront tous a bord du train du changement.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 9:16

Friends --

I have some important news that I want to make official.

I've chosen Joe Biden to be my running mate.

Joe and I will appear for the first time as running mates this afternoon in Springfield, Illinois -- the same place this campaign began more than 19 months ago.

I'm excited about hitting the campaign trail with Joe, but the two of us can't do this alone. We need your help to keep building this movement for change.

Please let Joe know that you're glad he's part of our team. Share your personal welcome note and we'll make sure he gets it:

http://my.barackobama.com/welcomejoe

Thanks for your support,


Barack

P.S. -- Make sure to turn on your TV at 2:00 p.m. Central Time to join us or watch online at http://www.BarackObama.com.


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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 9:59

That's the Ticket! by Jonathan Cohn
Why loquacious Delaware senator Joe Biden is a terrific vice-presidential pick for Barack Obama.
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It's a great pick! He connects with blue-collar voters and reassures voters worried about Barack Obama's foreign policy inexperience.
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It's a lousy pick! He's prone to gaffes and, as a senior member of the Senate, steps on the message of change.

In the next few days, pundits will be obsessing over the political impact of putting Joe Biden on the Democratic ticket. But the more important questions are the more tangible ones. Is Biden qualified to serve as an advisor to the president and, in an emergency, his stand-in? What does this selection tells us about the way Obama makes decisions?



The answer to the first question is unambiguously "yes." Start with the resume: Biden first came to the Senate in 1973, after a brief career in local government. He rose through ranks, eventually becoming chairman of the judiciary committee, a position he occupied from 1987 through 1995. In 1997, he became ranking minority member of the Senate Foreign Relations a Committee, which he chairs today. As a result of this experience, Biden can boast of real policy expertise--and genuine accomplishments. Chief among them are the Violence Against Women's Act, which he sponsored and eventually shepherded to passage as part of the 1994 crime bill, and American intervention in the Balkans, for which he was an early and influential advocate.

Biden's history of public service has its blemishes, too. After masterminding the defeat of Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork in 1987, he famously botched the hearings for Clarence Thomas, presiding over a spectacle that somehow managed both to confirm a deeply conservative judge while making himself, and many liberals, seem insensitive to the concerns of women. Biden also voted for the Iraq War. He did so more reluctantly than some other Democrats, openly decrying President Bush's doctrine of preemption and promoting (with Republican Senator Richard Lugar) a measure that would have authorized war only to eliminate weapons of mass destruction. But when that effort failed, Biden voted for the final, broader resolution--thereby breaking with more prescient colleagues like Carl Levin and Jack Reed, who thought Bush hadn't made the case for war. Most recently, Biden supported the strongly anti-consumer 2005 bankruptcy law, although that was presumably a typical act of local political boosterism. (Delaware is home to the credit card industry.)

For many Washington insiders, it's Biden's words--not his votes--that deserve scrutiny. His promising 1988 presidential bid ended quickly following revelations he'd used quotes from other famous politicians, without attribution, and that he had a habit of exaggerating his past exploits. And while those transgressions are old news, might a general election campaign bring forth new ones? It's a legitimate worry. The Obama campaign doesn't need those sorts of distractions--not now and not for the next four years, should the Democrats win in November.

And yet as politically unfortunate as those instances have been, the more important question is what they reveal about Biden's character and leadership qualities. I have no special reporting insights here, but the consensus that emerges from past writings about him--including the descriptions in Battle for Justice, Ethan Bronner's account of the Bork hearings--is that Biden suffered from an acute case of intellectual insecurity. The boasts, in this view, reflected Biden's constant fear that he would be perceived as a lightweight, either because of his (then) youth or lack of top intellectual credentials. (He graduated from the University of Delaware and, later, Syracuse Law School.) Biden is older now. Washington considers him, legitimately, an elder statesman. One can imagine--or at least hope--that the insecurity has waned over time.

And even if it hasn't, it's important to put this character flaw in context. Biden may have stretched the truth about his own accomplishments, but that's a far lesser sin--at least in my book--than calculating every move based on political expediency or using high office to gain personal wealth. And there's no sign that Biden has ever been prone to these sorts of problems. On the contrary, his political history suggests real courage on behalf of important, but controversial, causes. Biden had to fight for both VAWA and the Balkans intervention. As for using office to get rich, Biden's record looks to be squeaky clean. Based on public disclosure forms, he is the least wealthy member of the U.S. Senate. It's a reflection of his working-class roots--and the everyman sensibility that remains one of his most endearing characteristics. But it's also a tribute to Biden's virtue. Such a long tenure in office, surely, has presented ample opportunities for graft and shady dealings.



So Biden is not just qualified for the job. He is very qualified for the job. He can help Obama govern; should the unthinkable happen, he would make a capable and trustworthy commander-in-chief himself. But what does this tell us about Obama and how he makes decisions?

Political considerations surely played a major role in Obama's thinking. If you believe what you read, he had higher regard for--and a closer relationship with--several other contenders, including Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, and Rhode Island Senator Jack Reed. But voters might have rejected a ticket with Kaine or Sebelius, concluding it lacked sufficient experience in national and international politics. Reed, an Army veteran and highly respected lawmaker, didn't have that problem. But he's notoriously dull.

But it's unlikely politics were Obama primary motivation. If they had been, Obama might well have selected Evan Bayh, whose presence on the ticket would have put Indiana into play and--as a result--reshaped the electoral map. (Among other things, it would have drained McCain's financing, by forcing him to advertise in the expensive Chicago television market.) But Bayh, although a perfectly respectable senator, is not exactly a heavyweight. He claims no policy area as expertise; he has no major law or initiative that he can claim as an accomplishment. There's nothing terribly wrong with Bayh but there's nothing terribly right with him, either. It's been said that Bayh was the "safe" candidate--and, as a political matter, that's true. But given his less than sterling record, putting him a heartbeat away from the presidency would have actually been a little risky.

Biden's choice presents real risks for Obama, too--and not just political. Biden can be difficult. He speaks his mind, even when he has nothing nice to say. But if that sometimes makes conversations uncomfortable, it also makes them valuable. Obama has always said he didn't want a "yes" man--that he wanted a vice president who would challenge him intellectually and promote a vigorous debate about policy decisions. It's precisely the sort of environment that the current White House lacks. By choosing Biden, Obama tells us he's serious about that change.

One other, perhaps less appreciated, virtue of the Biden choice is what it says about Obama philosophically. Biden can be counted upon to play the role of house dissenter and skeptic. But he does so as somebody whose fealty to the basic values of the Democratic Party is not in doubt. On a wide range of issues, from economics to the courts to national security, Biden has compiled a record that would please the majority of progressives. His rating from Americans for Democratic Action is a perfect 100, just like Obama's. He scores well among other liberal groups, too.

Conservatives will blast this record, just as surely as liberals will (or should) celebrate it. But one of the virtues of having Biden as the vice presidential nominee is that he won't take those kinds of attacks lightly. He'll fight back. He'll remind people, rightly, that being a liberal Democrat means raising the minimum wage, making sure everybody has affordable health care, providing strong public schools, and protecting human rights. Then, he'll ask why conservative Republicans don't want the same things. That's exactly the kind of political debate this country needs. By picking Biden as a running mate, Obama has signaled that he welcomes this argument--and intends, finally, to win it.

Jonathan Cohn is a senior editor at The New Republic and the author of Sick: The Untold Story of America's Health Care Crisis--And the People Who Paid the Price.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 10:05

Je suis à 1,000 % pour Joe Biden ! Le ticket Obama ben Biden est excellent ! En plus Jill Biden est encore plus intéressante que son mari.
Au début je n'étais pas tellement intéressé par Obama mais je me rends compte qu'il a choisi 2 hommes excellents et qui vont remettre l'Amérique sur le droit chemin de l'impérialisme, chemin dont ils s'étaient écartés avec cet attardé de Bush.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 10:32

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Esperons que Senateur Biden pourra unir le parti.Mon objection au choix du Senateur Biden est sa position sur l'echiquier politique et son origine.Vous et moi avions deja conclu qu'il sera très difficile pour les democrates de gagner la presidence sans un vote massif dans les etats du Sud en leur faveur.Joe Biden ,bien qu'experimenté,est originaire du Nord'est des Eats unis;il est un liberal comme Senateur Obama.Les Reagan and blue collar white democrates vont-ils voter pour deux liberaux?Joe Biden pourra-t-il satisfaire les Clinton democrates?Esperons qu'ils monteront tous a bord du train du changement.

Non Malis,

Peut ètre que vous aviez mal interprété ce que j'avais dit à propos du vote sudiste.
Et Gore et Kerry n'avaient pas obtenu un sel Etat du Sud et ils étaient à un "heart beat ' de la présidence.
Si Obama obtient le vote d'un seul Etat du Sud ,il gagnera la présidence.Il serait imbattable s'il obtient la Virginie par example .C'est un Etat que je connais bien parce que j'y ai vécu pou une brève période.La démographie de cet Etat est en train de changer.
Obama est solide dans le Nord Est et la Cote Pacifique.Il a une solide chance de remporter le Colorado avec sa population hispanique et sa population blanche bien éduquée.
Si BIDEN solidifeirait Obama dans la Pennsylvanie avec la classe travailleuse blanche (les blue collars),le tour serait joué.
Oublions le Sud profond,il ne va pas voter Obama quoi qu'il fasse et je ne pense pas que les Démocrates y comptent
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 11:05

The choice of Sen. Biden as VP will absolutely complement and enhance Mr. Obama's candidacy. Once again, the senator from the state of Illinois has shown his brilliance.
So long Clinton, see you later.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 16:04

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SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Barack Obama introduced Senator Joe Biden of Delaware as his running mate Saturday, hailing him as a "leader who is ready to step in and be president."

Before a crowd of thousands gathered in front of the Old State Capitol, Obama said Biden was "what many others pretend to be - a statesman with sound judgment who doesn't have to hide behind bluster to keep America strong."

Democrats coalesced quickly around Obama's selection of the 65-year-old veteran of three decades in the Senate - a choice meant to provide foreign policy heft to the party's ticket for the fall campaign against Senator John McCain and the Republicans.

Obama made a symbolic choice for the ticket's first joint appearance. It was a brutally cold winter day more than a year ago when he stood outside the historic structure in the Illinois capital to launch his quest for the White House.

He returned in sunshine, the party's improbable nominee-in-waiting, a young black man who outdistanced a crowded field of rivals.

Thousands of newly printed signs bearing the words Obama/Biden sprouted in the crowd, waiting in anticipation in 32-degree Celsius temperatures.

Obama's remarks were carefully crafted to emphasize Biden's accomplishments in the Senate, his blue-collar roots and - above all - his experience on foreign policy.

"I can tell you Joe Biden gets it," he said. "He's that unique public servant who is at home in a bar in Cedar Rapids and the corridors of the Capitol, in the VFW hall in Concord, and at the centre of an international crisis," he said.

Obama recounted the personal tragedy that struck Biden more than 30 years ago, within days of his election to the Senate, when his first wife and their child were killed in an automobile accident.

He said Biden raised his surviving children as a single parent, commuting between the Capitol and Delaware daily on the Amtrak train.

"For decades, he has brought change to Washington, but Washington hasn't changed him," Obama said, attempting to blunt an emerging Republican line of attack that notes Biden's 30 years in the polished corridors of the Capitol.

"He's an expert on foreign policy whose heart and values are rooted firmly in the middle class."

Obama brought Biden on stage with his rousing introduction to the strains of Bruce Springsteen's "The Rising."

The newly named running mate moved centre stage in shirt-sleeves, embracing Obama.

"I'm glad to be here," he said.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 17:45

Mrs. Clinton is Folding up. Backing the Ticket Obama- Bidden.


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Clinton to Suspend Campaign, Endorse Obama
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Updated | 10 p.m. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will endorse Senator Barack Obama on Saturday, bringing a close to her campaign for the White House, aides said. Her decision came after Democrats urged her Wednesday to leave the race and allow the party to coalesce around Mr. Obama. (Full article by Adam Nagourney and Jeff Zeleny here.)

Mrs. Clinton’s aides said she would “express her support for Senator Obama and party unity” at an event in Washington, D.C., that day. One adviser said that Mrs. Clinton would concede defeat, congratulate Mr. Obama and proclaim him the party’s nominee, while pledging to do what was needed to assure his victory.

Her decision came after a day of conversations with supporters on Capitol Hill about her future now that Mr. Obama had clinched the nomination. Mrs. Clinton had, in a speech after Tuesday night’s primaries, suggested she wanted to wait before deciding about her future, but in conversations throughout the day Wednesday, her aides said, she was urged to step aside.

The news that Mrs. Clinton was ending her campaign was first reported by ABCNEWS.com.

“We pledged to support her to the end,” Representative Charles B. Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Mrs. Clinton since she first ran for the Senate, said in an interview “Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is.”

Mrs. Clinton’s decision came as some of her most prominent supporters – including former Vice President Walter F. Mondale — announced they were now backing Mr. Obama.
“I was for Hillary – I wasn’t against Obama, who I think is very talented,” Mr. Mondale said. “I’m glad we made a decision and I hope we can unite our party and move forward.”

One of Mrs. Clinton’s aides said they were told that except for her senior advisers, there was no reason to report to work after Friday, and that they were invited to Mrs. Clinton’s house for a farewell celebration that afternoon.

Jeff Zeleny, Carl Hulse, Michael Luo and David E. Sanger contributed reporting.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Sam 23 Aoû 2008 - 18:22

The Numbers behind the choice:

Can Biden Out-Hillary Hillary?

The principal rationale for selecting Hillary Clinton as Barack Obama's running mate is that she would have united Democrats behind their nominee at a time when they have a substantial advantage in party identification. John Kerry received 89 percent of the Democratic vote in 2004; if Barack Obama can get within a couple of points of that, even to 86 or 87 percent, he will be very difficult to defeat.

However, Joe Biden might do nearly as good a job as Clinton of uniting the party, while perhaps paying less of a price among independents.

Rasmussen has fresh approval numbers out for Biden, as well as several other Democratic short-listers. Here, borrowed from Rasmussen's invaluable subscriber service, are their approval scores by party:

Democrats

Candidate Fav-Unfav
Clinton 77-22 (+55)
Biden 65-17 (+48)
Bayh 45-25 (+20)
Sebelius 35-19 (+16)
Kaine 35-29 (+6)

Clinton has the highest favorables and highest net score among Democrats; Biden has the fewest unfavorables. Generally speaking, Clinton and Biden blow the other three candidates out of the water.

Republicans

Candidate Fav-Unfav
Kaine 29-30 (-1)
Bayh 23-43 (-20)
Sebelius 14-45 (-31)
Biden 22-63 (-39)
Clinton 21-75 (-54)

Amongst Republicans, the ratings are very nearly the reverse. Joe Biden will not have a terrific amount of crossover appeal. On the contrary, though the animus might not be as personal as in the case of Senator Clinton, Biden will be seen my many GOPers as a partisan blowhard. One can argue, however, about whether this really matters. The notion that Obama was going to win over some large number of "Obamacans" had not realistically been in play for a couple of months now, as the GOP base has begun to rally behind John McCain.

Indepedents

Candidate Fav-Unfav
Biden 42-29 (+13)
Bayh 31-21 (+10)
Kaine 24-23 (+1)
Sebelius 18-21 (-3)
Clinton 39-57 (-18)

Where Biden might do some good is among independents, among whom he has the highest favorables and highest net rating, although a couple other candidates had lower unfavorables. But Biden certainly performs better amongst this critical group than Hillary Clinton. One can argue that Biden is very well positioned within the Democratic party, probably just slightly to the right of the average Democratic senator. Liberal Democrats certainly won't be pleased with his votes on the AUMF or the bankruptcy bill, but they still essentially trust him, which they wouldn't necessarily with a more identifiably centrist choice like Evan Bayh or Tim Kaine. But on the other hand, Biden cannot so easily be characterized as a liberal to turn off independent voters; in fact, independents and moderates like him pretty well.

Let's take one more, slightly different take on this. This time, we'll look at impressions of the candidates based not on party ID, but rather, based on who the voters had intended to vote for in November. Let's make the following assumptions:

- For each McCain voter that has a very favorable view of Biden, one-quarter of them will switch their vote to Obama.

- For each McCain voter that has a somewhat favorable view of Biden, one-eighth of them will switch their vote to Obama.

- For each Obama voter that has a somewhat unfavorable view of Biden, one-eighth of them will switch their vote to McCain.

- For each Obama voter that has a very unfavorable view of Biden, one-quarter of them will switch their vote to McCain.

Does that sound reasonable? It sounds reasonable to me, though I really have no idea. But let's run the numbers and see what we get:


VF = Very Favorable
SF = Somewhat Favorable
VU = Very Unfavorable
SU = Somewhat Unfavorable

... McCain Voters Obama Voters
Candidate VF SF VU SU Net Margin
Biden 4 20 5 10 +2.00
Bayh 4 19 4 16 +0.75
Kaine 8 21 8 20 +0.25
Clinton 11 14 13 14 -0.50
Sebelius 3 13 5 13 -0.50

What's noteworthy is not so much that Biden will turn a lot of McCain voters on -- Tim Kaine and Hillary Clinton would have done a better job of that -- but that he'll turn very few Obama voters off. As a result, this method projects a net swing of 2 points toward Obama, which is better than he'd do with any of the other candidates. Biden also performed quite well in these ratings among undecided (43-22 favorable) and third-party (45-36 favorable) voters, though the sample sizes are probably too small to be worth worrying about.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Dim 24 Aoû 2008 - 6:22

Doub-Sossis, c'est bien de mettre les sources quand on copie des articles... heureusement que je les avais déjà lu à leur point d'origine et que je sais d'où ils viennent.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Dim 24 Aoû 2008 - 8:08

Jude je fais de mon mieux,

la plupart des articles on leur source et auteurs cites dans le texte.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Lun 25 Aoû 2008 - 8:23

What the representatives of the status quo will not do to divide the people?Yesterday morning I was watching Rudolphe Giulliani on TV criticising Senator Obama for not choosing Senator Clinton for the Vice Presidency.Rudolphe Giulliani and Senator Mac Cain are two demagogues who think that they can divide the democrats ,particularly the white women and the minorities in showing a compassionate attitude toward Mrs. Clinton.Since when the Republicans care so much about women's rights?

Now, they blaming Senator Obama for choosing Senator Biden as his runnig mate because the latter is a Washington insider who has been in the senate for more Than 30 years.If Joe Biden is a Washington insider who is John Mac Cain? It is not the length of time a politician spent in Washington which makes him or her a representative of the status quo ;it is rather on what side of the fence does he or she stand.Although Senator Biden has been in Washington for a long time ,he has always been on the side of the people. Whereas John Mac Cain who is saying now :" I know that we're worst off than four years ago" has endorsed all the policies of the Bush administration.He has the nerve to say :"in the 21st century it is immoral for a country to invade another one with brutality."In the same vein he wants to stay in Iraq for another 100 years despite the cost of the war.
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MessageSujet: Re: Obama choisit le sénateur Joseph Biden   Mar 26 Aoû 2008 - 7:13

Eske politisyen gran disè nou yo,neg ki pa ka ekri 2 fraz san yo pa site youn otè franse ou byen itilize gwo mo pou fè pov despri pantan eske yo tap koute diskou Michele Obama ki pa voye moun nan diktyonè pou konprann sa li vle di byen ke li se youn Avoka ki diplome nan pi gwo iniversite o Zeta Zuni.Li konnen ke diskou saa li ap prononse yèswa se pul fè tout moun konpran sa li ,mari li e pati demokrat vle yo konprann.Men ki jan moun pale ak pep.

Se pa fè gran disè etale tou konesans livresk ou sou moun pou fè yo konprann ou se youn afè ki di ke w se youn zen telektyel.se lè ou pase mesaj ke w vle pase ya byen ki pemet tout moun konprann w se lè sa ou kominike ak yo.Se pa pa jalouzi ke men kritike moun sa yo ki ap site paket otè franse nan chak fraz yo ekri se pou mwen montre ke w pa ka kominke ak youn pep ki pale kreyol epi wap site sa blan franse te ekri nan 18eme syek.Se pousa ke anpil nan yo se 1% selman yo ka bay nan elektyon .Ti Pè ya ap toujou kale yo nan elektyon se pa pep la ki bet non se yo ki pa konn ki jan pou yo kominike ak li.
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