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MessageSujet: Rezon avèk kòz chire pit Lavalas.   Rezon avèk kòz chire pit Lavalas. EmptySam 7 Fév 2009 - 15:00

QUESTION ONE to Ezili:
What is your analysis of this? I'm very interested to hear, in light of
conflicts within Lavalas.

Js

-QUESTION TWO TO Ezili -- On Fri, 2/6/09, rwalker wrote:
What are the possibilities of Aristide intervening long distance to try
and shore up the legitimate Lavalas cadres?

Feasible, conditionally possible or completely non-feasible?


Ezili Danto's Answer:

One Lavalas faction is led by political prisoners (Yvon Neptune/So Ann) who
fought the US, denounced the coup d'etat, stayed in Haiti and/or refused to go
into exile and FOUGHT with the people of Haiti in order for there to even be a
puppet gov. right now, instead of straight up occupation with the morally
repugnant elites as rulers for the "Haitian face" to neocolonialism.

The other faction is generally led up by folks who worked for, sometime in the
past, for the international community/UN as "technician" or so their head says
she did, along with "moderate Lavalas" who were able to stay in Haiti without
imprisonment after the coup d'etat and effectively worked with the imposed Boca Raton regime at some point and who never truly defended the folks dying in Site Soley, Solino, Bel Air...

or who, for survival purposes and because also they were left in Haiti never denounced the holding of the political prisoners and the coup detat slaughterings....

Those in this faction who went into exile also remained relatively silent, for various reasons including the fact they were dependent on US asylum claims to remain abroad and alive....

(To understand the dangers, recall Dr. Lovinsky Pierre Antoine who was one of those who fled Haiti to save his life, later returned to Haiti after the election of Preval in 2006, picked up his humanitarian work for Fondasyon Trant Septanm defending the Coup d'etat victims of both Bush regime changes in Haiti (1991 and 2004), gave interviews about the US Embassy's role in trying to assassinate him before he fled Haiti and who denounced the Boca Raton regime, demanded the UN end the occupation and continued to show the bloody work of the Haitian army.

For his open dissent, Lovinsky was summarily disappeared in UN-occupied Haiti on August 2007, without a trace to this day.

See Lovinsky speak at the Darren Ell's interviews with Lovinsky Pierre Antoine, entitled "Sovereignty and Justice in Haiti," Part 1, dated Feb. 18, 2007 and Part 2, March 4, 2007
http://www.haitiaction.net/News/HIP/2_18_7/2_18_7.html ;
http://www.haitiaction.net/News/HIP/3_4_7/3_4_7.html).

In the first faction, there are those Lavalas, like Bel Angelot, who were
forced overseas, but when they returned gave RESPECT and lead to those who
stayed and fought.

Guess which side will eventually get US/International approval? The
"moderate" Lavalas who stayed silent and have a relationship with the
International community or those who openly denounced the coup detat, took imprisonment and now have more street credibility with the people?


In terms of the questions regarding feasibility of President Aristide's
long distance intervention, our past experience indicates that his silence
sometimes, except for the annual New Years messages, can only be explained if he and his wife are under a gag order or house arrests in South Africa.

So, one has no clue of President Aristide's intervention potential to reconcile these two sides of the Lavalas party. Especially considering his "spokesperson" leads the second Lavalas faction and is one of these who went into exile and who tell folks "she's a technician" who used to work for the UN occupiers, and perhaps some say, still does!

At the end of the day, this drama is a result of the coup d'etat and what
it was supposed to do. Divide and conquer.

Judgement doesn't serve anyone but neither does this senseless division.

It's our view at HLLN, Haiti is under occupation. We take no position as to elections-under-occupation and those who run for these seats. But, in terms of this split, we agree with Lavalas Paliamentarian Mme Norma Forte, as expressed in her Feb. 1st Press Release, where she asks for reconciliation between the two sides and Ezili's HLLN says further, not one Haitian child will be fed or get schooling or eat because of this Lavalas controversy.

But the coup d'etat powers will be well fed off this.

The UN will be given SOMETHING to "secure" as one can see from the press
release sent out by France today announcing that this electoral commission's
decision will lead to VIOLENCE.

And the US and Canada will have something to "negotiate" as we see from the US and Canadian press releases where both these coup d'etat countries indicate that the total EXCLUSION of one party - the Lavalas party - from the upcoming April senate elections will put into question the legitimacy of the elections.

It's been sort of calm and these folks haven't had much Haiti chaos to feed off of for a while, just Haitians dying of famine, and through collapsed schools, hurricane ravages, against the backdrop of news of USAID failures, foreign NGO's gleefully masturbating on the dependency, the UN raping and molesting Haitian children and a US embassy employee bilking the State Department for over 850,000 (notice that only the guilt and corruption of the young, 25 year old Haitian employee at the US employee is revealed or reported prosecuted in this "SCHEME to embezzle funds from the State Department," not the American masterminds working at the US Embassy and/or State Department who processed or took part in facilitating or sharing in the booty of the over 850,000 fraudulent cash advances.
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MessageSujet: Re: Rezon avèk kòz chire pit Lavalas.   Rezon avèk kòz chire pit Lavalas. EmptySam 7 Fév 2009 - 15:13

Je me retiens toujours d'opiner dans tout ce qui a rapport a Aristide et Fanmi Lavalas, mais je crois qu'il y a une autre raison a la division chez Fanmi Lavalas...
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Et ce serait ?
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UN FAUX DEBAT
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piporiko a écrit:
UN FAUX DEBAT

Pipo sait tout. Aristide ne veut pas déléguer du pouvoir pas avant son retour en Haiti.Son influence demeure sa seule carte politique . Si non , mem moun lavalas yo ap kite misye deyo. Doonc il veut négocier son retour , se sa li ye wi.
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