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MessageSujet: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 12:13

Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters

Eric Holder, the nation's first black attorney general, said Wednesday the United States was "a nation of cowards" on matters of race, with most Americans avoiding candid discussions of racial issues. In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder said.

Race issues continue to be a topic of political discussion, but "we, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Holder's speech echoed President Barack Obama's landmark address last year on race relations during the hotly contested Democratic primaries, when the then-candidate urged the nation to break "a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years" and bemoaned the "chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races." Obama delivered the speech to try to distance himself from the angry rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Holder cited that speech by Obama as part of the motivation for his words Wednesday, saying Americans need to overcome an ingrained inhibition against talking about race.

"If we're going to ever make progress, we're going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified," Holder told reporters after the speech.

In the speech, Holder urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for honest discussion of racial matters, including issues of health care, education and economic disparities.

Race, Holder said, "is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation's history, this is in some ways understandable... If we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another and tolerant enough of each other to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us."

In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago. Obama's triumph last November as well as the nomination of Holder stand as historic achievements of two black Americans.

Holder told hundreds of Justice Department employees gathered for the event that they have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding.

Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons."

"Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.

Matt Miller, a spokesman for Holder, said later the attorney general used "provocative words to be clear that Americans of all races should stop avoiding the difficult issues of race."

Andrew Grant-Thomas, Deputy Director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State University, praised Holder's general message but said the wording of the speech may alienate some.

"He's right on the substance, but that's probably not the most politic way of saying it. I'm certain there are people who will hear him and say, 'That's obnoxious,'" he said, adding that what was missing from Holder's speech were specific examples of what painful subjects need to be addressed.

Hilary Shelton, vice president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called the speech "constructively provocative."

"Nobody wants to be considered a coward. We've learned to get along by exclusion and silence. We need to talk about it. People need to feel comfortable saying the wrong things," said Shelton.

Holder is headed to Guantanamo Bay early next week to inspect the terrorist detention facility there. Obama has assigned Holder to lead a special task force aimed at closing the site within a year.

Holder's Justice Department will have to decide which suspects to bring to U.S. courts for trial, which to prosecute through the military justice system, and which to send back to their home countries.(AP)
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 12:39

I understand the Attorney General of the United Satets's frustrations about the persistence of this problem in the 21 st century.But I wonder if our willing to integrate the white society is not the reason of this discrimination.We're not the only minority in this country,but we're the one who is always complaining.I recognize the duty of every human beign to fight for justice,but I think the question of race at a time when science discoveries negate that notion is irrelevant.

The problem is more related to the level of education and economic developpement of black people.The Jews,The Coreans,.the Japanese and the chinese are not complaining about the stupidities of some ignoramuses who think because of the color of their skin they're superior to other people.They work hard to develop their communities.They instill pride,self esteem and courtesy in their children so they don't behave as delinquants.The white people will respect us when we respect ourselves and embrace our own culture and history.When we build our own schools so a white principal or a white teacher can no longer sabotage the education of our young people;When we eat at our own restaurants; go to our own churchs ;work at our own factories.;consult with our physicians, lawyers,nurses, bankers etc.We have to show them that we can live without their help.

Respect is something that you earn.You can't be equal to somenone who feeds you.Let's be proud men and women who work hard to improve the lives of our brothers and sisters then and only then we will have the respect we deserve.
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 13:22

M'trouve remak Attorney General tre inpertiman e provokatif.

Fok li komen ke nwa ameriken an minorite nan peyi isit. Se nan yon peyi blan ke nap viv.
Si pep ameriken te kapon e pat toleran e te pe pale de pwoblem rasyal, Barack Obama, pitit l'Afrik pata prezidan, ni li pata premye jistisye nan peyi a.Nou mache anpil pou nou rive kote ke nou ye konneyn la e nou fek komanse mache avan ke lot moun banou respe ke nou merite. Se pa ti neg parey nou ki pou dekouraje nou.

Depi ti neg okipe yon gwo pozisyon inpotan, fok yo di yon betiz ki pou tape sou ner moun.
Mr. Holder blye ke se li ak Janet Reno ki te mete dife nan kan moun relizyej yo o Texas jiskaske anpil moun ak timoun mourri.

Se li ki te voye Elian Gonzalez ti Cubain ki te gen manman li mourri nan lanme pou pitit li sa gen yon vie miyo. Holder anba zamm, retounnen Elian bay Castro.

Holder sete gwo avoka konpani figue "Chikita Banana" ki tap peye million dolla bay guerilla yo, e anpil lot bagay ke missye fe imigrant Ayisyen e voye yo tounnen lakay yo.

30,000 ayisyen sou list depotasyon konnyen la.

Nou ta remen we si Holder ap di 2 mô pou ayisyen sa yo.


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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 13:36

Tout sa Holder di yo se vre.

Mwen paka konprann ayisyen ki pi meriken pase meriken.
Revelasyon menm pi blan pase blan.
Ki bagay saa?

Nèg gen plis wout pou yo fè pou konbat rasis dan le monn antye paske li pase lan esklavaj.
Chinwa, koreyen ak lòt moun yo pat esklav lan peyi saa, kidonk batay yo a diferan.

Azyatik yo konnen sa rasis ye e yo denonse l e konbat li dapre reyaksyon kiltirel yo.

Holder gen anpil kouraj pou denonse lachte meriken lan pozisyon li ye laa.
Anpil lot nèg ta pè presyon e ta pè pou yo pa pèdi djob yo.

Ondire nou pa wè bagay yo ap chanje toutbon vre?
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 13:39

revelation a écrit:
30,000 ayisyen sou list depotasyon konnyen la.

Nou ta remen we si Holder ap di 2 mô pou ayisyen sa yo.
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Mwen pa wè sa misie ka fè pou 30 mil ayisyen sa yo. La jistis gen tan kondane yo e pa bo isit yo pa kraze desizion jistis pou ti krik ti krak.

Annou gade pito ki akèy nou ka bay frè nou yo ak sè nou yo ki tale chache la vi nan peyi blan men ki pral tounen bredouy.

Si ou koute Lou Dobbs ou mesie FOX yo, ou va konprann ke si Obama ta fouye pie li nan bagay sa pou sove moun sa yo, menm kariè pa li menase. Moun sa yo di se ilegal yo ale nan peyi yo, konsa travay yo te gen nan men yo ou okipe, lot moun va jwen li.

Se tris, men se realite a. Nou men Ayisyen se gason ak fanm vayan nou ye, e nap tounen lakay nou ak tout karaktè nou san dlo nan je.
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 14:31

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Respect is something that you earn.You can't be equal to somenone who feeds you.Let's be proud men and women who work hard to improve the lives of our brothers and sisters then and only then we will have the respect we deserve.

Se verite a, se wou ki pou fè respè avan yon moun respekte'w. Chinwa, endyen yo komande respè paske yo prouve ke yo pa bezwen blan pou viv. Lefè ke pa yon peyi nwa k'ap byen fonksyone, kote wou te ka gade blan pou di'l laprit pou li e vire do'w ba li epwi wou jete'w lan peyi sa, kontribiye a mank de respè sa.
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 14:57

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Pemet mwen di w sa. mwen pa kwè ke Holder di verite lè li di ke nou pè pale de ras o Zeta Zuni. depi preske 50 lane nap pale de sa. Mouvman dwa sivik nan ane 60 ki sa li te ye. diskou Stokley, Martin, Malcom,Jessee, Ralph Albertany. Young, Muhamad Ali ,Roy Wilkens ,Cleaver.Bellafonte,, ak tout lot neg ki lite ki fè Jodya Holder ka okipe posityon saa yo pat fè anyen?Eske John,Robert Kennedy ,Lindon johnson Ted kenedy ak anpil lot blan pwogressis pa pale de discrimination o Zeta Zuni?Bill Clinton pale de sa, Jimmy Carter pale de sa >eske West pa ekri :'Race matters"Konbyen film ,pyes teyat ki ekri e ki pale de ras o zeta zuni?Konbyen statyon radyo ak televisyon ki toujou ap pale de sa?

byen ke mwen pa finn dakor ak tout komantè ke Revelatyon fè yo mwen kwè ke komantè Holder ya initil.Mwen pa kwè genyen yon peyi kote diskisyon sou pwoblem rasyal yo diskite otan ke o Zeta Zuni.se pa ke nou pi ameriken ke ameriken non men fok yon moun di bagay yo jan yo ye.Wi pwoblem lan eksiste e se yon aveg selman ki ta di pa genyen diskriminatyon o Zeta Zuni toujou men tou fok nou rekonet genyen pwogrè ki fet a koz de priz posityon anpil moun pwogresis blan tankou nwa nan peyi ya.E si yon moun ap analyse resilta elektyon ki sot pase la fok ou admet ke peyi Eta Zuni chanje paske menm si Bush te demantibile peyi ya si se lontan nanpren kote Obama tap pase poul te bat Mac cain.menm mwen mwen pat kwè sa te posib.

diyite respè nwa pa selman depann de atitud blan men li depann de atitud nou tou.Tankou Obama di ya fok nou pap plede abandone pitit nou pou nou kite yo san gid.fok nou pase yon ti tan ak yo pou nou ede yo nan fè devwa yo, fok nou responsab ase pou nou pap viv yon jan ki fè nap fè eksè achte yon paket bataklan san nou pa mete yon ti lajan sou kote.fok nou mete tet nou ansanb pou nou patrone bizniss pa nou.fok nou ka kreye byen ak servis pou tet nou tou.Fok nou konprann verite saa tou:"For unto everyone that hath shall be given,and he shall have abundance,But from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 15:40

Malice,

A 99%, Holder a dit la vérité. Ce sujet reste une honte pour un grand pays multi-racial comme l'Amérique.


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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 16:29

Malis,

Se pa ke mouvman dwa sivk ak tout ero ki konbat diskriminasyon rasyal yo pa valab non.

Yo fè tou sa yo te dwe fè pou defann kòz yo.
Men se defann sèlman yo defann yo.

Jiskounyea dapre sa Holder di ya, ras yo separe:
amitye lan travay se pou la semenm sèlman.
Relasyon ant ras rete eksepsyon pito ke la règ.
Lè wekenn vini, blan lan kan yo e nèg lan kan payo, yo pa zanmi lè saa.

Yo ta mèt bonzanmi lan travay, si de fanmi yo rankontre lan yon kote piblik yon samdi oubyen dimanch, yap di yon ti alo timid, men yo pap fè akolad e kontinye mache ansanm pou fini sware ya.

Sa pa janm chanje depi 100 tan.
Sonje ke majorite eta lan sid yo pat vote Obama.
E yo preske 50 pousan elektora meriken.
Sa vle di preske mwate popilasyon an pat vle vote pou Obama.

Misye byen di ke bagay pwogrese lan milye travay.

Si rasism ap kontinye se paske blan an vle kenbe pozisyon siperyorite l ke li we nèg ap diminye, se pa paske nèg pa responsab, ke yo parese e pa gen respè pou tèt yo.

Gen nèg ki ranje kò yo, abiye byen, viv tankou blan e eseye montre blan an ke li pa menmjan ak tout nèg.
Blan an kenbe menm prejije a sou nèg saa tou.

Donk rasis se yon pratik ki pa lojik.
Ou pa kapab rezonen ak yon rasis pou w eseye konvenk li.
Epi blan yo pa frekante chinwa ak endyen nonplis.

Natirelman gen eksepsyon, men se pa la règ jeneral.
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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 16:33

Malice,

Essayez de lire cet article:

Le plan de relance de l'économie aurait été préparé par un singe (Devinez qui est ce singe)

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MessageSujet: Re: Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters   Ven 20 Fév 2009 - 16:52

mwen byen di ke se yon aveg selman ki ka di ke pa genyen diskriminatyon o Zeta Zuni tankou genyen diskriminatyon tout kote menm an ayiti tou.Mwen te rete an fas Pedro kouri o Cap mwen pat rantre lakay li 2 fwa nan vim li te met ap pase sou moun nan katye li pat di yo bonjou.Mwen te lekol ak pitit li yo ak lot ti blan e anpil ti boujwa o kap mwen pat janm al lakay yo.mwen pap viv o kanada mwen pa konnen si ti ayisyen frekante ka tout blan ke yo al lekol ak yo pou mwen se nou ki vle entegre sosyete blan plis. lè w montre yon moun ke w beswen l li mete pye sou tet w ;li meprise w.Kom mwen te di yon blan nan travay mwen yon fwa .mwen pa genyen oken pwoblem si li wè m nan la ri li fè komsi li pa konnen mwen, si li pa envite m nan maryaj pitit li paske mwen pa kwè mwen ap envite moun tankou l nan maryaj pitit mwen.Ou konn sa li te di mwen :"You're a racist pig " ,mwen di l :you're damn right I am a racist with racist.

pafwa nou reyaji nan tout grimas ke vye iyoran fè ki pa genyen enpotans ;nan jounal yo fè karikati Richard Nixon tou ,kennedy tou. Lindon johnson tou.Yo pale de iyorans president Bush tou nan televisyon 'si yon moun ap gade show leno ak anpil lot se pa nan de rizib yo pase ti Bush.Yon moun ki ta konprann ke Obama se yon sinj ou tou wè moun saa se yon enbesil ki pa menm li dernye dekouvert syantifik sou DNA.Kestyon ras la depase pou moun ki genyen entelijans.

se pa o Zeta Zuni selman genyen tabou sa yo mwen pa konnen si kestyon saa pale plis nan Sud Afrika ke o Zeta Zuni men mwen pa kwè kantan Attorney Gneral Of The United States Erick Holder te dwe fè yon remak konsa.Se poul kite remak konsa pou Al Sharpton, Jessee Jackson,Harry belafonte e tout lot militan yo.mwen rete nan yon katye kote preske tout moun se blan men mwen pa janm rantre nan kay youn. sa pa nwi m ditou depi yon pa anmegde m.pafwa nou ba enbesil twop enpotans se sa ki fè yo konprannn se yon bagay yo ye.
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