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 Nombre de messages: 1938 Localisation: Montreal Loisirs: cockfighting Date d'inscription: 24/12/2007
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| Can farming save Haiti?
The key to Haiti's salvation, says the man who would be president of the nation that has languished in terminal poverty for generations, is a "no-brainer."
By RENE BRUEMMER, The Gazette June 5, 2010
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Photograph by: Natasha Fillion, The gazette
"There are three million farming families in Haiti," Charles Henri Baker, a leading candidate in Haiti's coming elections, told The Gazette. "The textile sector, to which I belong ... could create 100,000, maybe 200,000 jobs. Agriculture can create three million jobs, bring down the cost of living and decentralize the four million people living in and around Port-au-Prince. ... They could go back to their villages and lead positive lives, rather than stay in Port-au-Prince and just barely make a living." If $1 billion of the $11 billion pledged by international donors was put toward agriculture, the world could "watch Haiti not only feed itself, but export billions," he said. Haiti might finally get the type of funding Baker espouses in his political platform. After decades during which the country's agricultural base was decimated by political instability and mismanagement, environmental destruction and foreign interference that preached the salvation of free-market economies, the idea of rebuilding the country from the soil up and giving Haiti the means to once again feed itself by transferring resources to farmers is gaining ground. Much of the impetus comes from January's earthquake that killed upwards of 230,000 people, mainly in the shoddy, multi-storey buildings of the congested capital. Hundreds of thousands fled the city to find shelter in their rural homelands, and are now desperate for work and food. After decades of poorly managed foreign assistance that has seen Haitians attaining a lower standard of living than they did 30 years ago, there is hope the recent spotlight cast on Haiti's misery can lead to an organized system of managing the aid and finally shifting development away from Port-au-Prince and to the regions where the majority live. But then there's the reality of a farmer like Roland Hyppolite, an engineer who also has degrees in management and agricultural development. Hyppolite moved back to his homeland of Lascahobas in Haiti's breadbasket Central Plateau region four years ago. He was 52, and decided it was time to leave Port-au-Prince to feed his inner spirit and his country, earn a better salary than he earned as executive director of the Haitian-Canadian Chamber of Commerce and give his five children the happy rural childhood he remembers. Hyppolite soon discovered, however, that farming in Haiti is not as easy as throwing a few seeds in the ground and watching them grow. There were few customers for his peppers, no decent roads to transport produce to market, no electricity for refrigerated storage. He had to lay off some of his staff of four after his first year. It wasn't until he joined forces with other farmers and had the good fortune to find a Quebec-based distributor on the web, at the one Internet café in his town of 53,000, that his future grew less tenuous. While it can be rewarding - Hyppolite estimates a successful farmer with a hectare of peppers can make $10,000 in a season on the local market, 20 times the average per capita income - roadblocks are numerous. "You have to have courage" to be a farmer in Haiti, he said last week via cellphone, roosters crowing in the background. If this is the experience of a former engineer with degrees from universities in Haiti, the U.S. and Puerto Rico who has some savings and land, what hope is there for the millions of destitute peasant farmers who depend on agriculture for survival? And how many Haitians who have had a taste of city life want to return to a countryside where health care and education for their children are non-existent, to toil in the fields? Charles Henri Baker is a controversial figure in Haiti. So light skinned he appears white, he is the owner of a garment factory where 750 employees sew medical uniforms that are exported worldwide. Born in Haiti and with a degree in business administration from a Florida university, he lapses frequently into Creole during speeches as if to substantiate the Haitian roots his skin colour puts into question. He finished third in Haiti's 2006 presidential vote, and is seen as a possible front-runner in the elections slated for November. A member of the country's well-heeled business elite that makes up one per cent of its population but controls more than 50 per cent of its wealth, Baker's critics accuse him being a "sweatshop industrialist" who profited from Haiti's cheap labour base and is now pandering to the massive rural vote. But Baker was also a successful farmer in the 1980s, and his platform of agricultural reform reflects a growing vision for Haiti's rebirth. "What's essential is agrarian reform which would allow us to make peasants the masters and the managers of their own land," Chavannes Jean-Baptiste, executive director of the Peasant Movement of Papay in the Central Plateau region, told the Toward Freedom grassroots media group in March. "Along with land we need credit, technical assistance and markets to sell our products." Jean-Baptiste and others call for "food sovereignty" that focuses on local food production for local consumption and the protection of local markets with tariffs on food imports. Baker uses Malawi as an example of what can happen if aid is distributed directly to farmers. Following a disastrous corn harvest in 2005, the impoverished African country needed emergency food aid to feed five million of its 13 million people. Malawi's newly elected president vowed never again. He ignored World Bank and rich donor countries' advice that Malawi should continue to rely on free-market economies for economic resurgence and not subsidize fertilizer or seed for its planters (even though most of the donor countries heavily subsidize their own farmers). Malawi's farmland, like Haiti's, had become severely depleted over the years because farmers with shrinking plots could not afford to fertilize them or let them lie fallow. Farmers and their children slowly starved to death in the bad years. So in 2006, the New York Times reported, the government of Malawi ignored the experts and gave half the nation's farming families coupons to buy two 50-kilogram bags of fertilizer, enough for an acre of land, for $15, about one-third the market price. They also received coupons for enough seed to plant half an acre. Corn production jumped to 2.7 million tonnes in 2006, more than double the harvest in 2005. In 2007, it was 3.4 million tonnes. Greater rainfall helped, but studies determined access to fertilizer played a large role. Malawi went from begging to selling more corn to the World Food Program of the United Nations than any other country in southern Africa and exporting hundreds of thousands of tonnes to Zimbabwe. Food prices dropped and wages for farm labour rose. When Baker ran a farm on land he inherited from his father in the 1980s, he said he produced 190 bags of the cereal crop sorghum per hectare because he had the money to buy fertilizer, irrigation equipment and tractors. The average production rate in Haiti at the time was 22 bags, about one-tenth his output. "Give farmers access to credit," Baker said, and their production will triple. "The banking system is there. The government just needs to put money into the banks." Get the money out quickly, and farmers can be self-sufficient in six months to a year, Baker predicted. Before the earthquake, Haiti's government earmarked seven per cent of its 2009-2010 budget for agricultural development. The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations suggested that figure should be at least 12 per cent. The downfall of Haiti's agricultural base has been in the works for a century, but accelerated greatly with the onset of free-market economic theory in the 1970s and '80s. During the United States's 19-year occupation of Haiti beginning in 1915, the U.S. concentrated most of its trade operations in Port-au-Prince where its military was based, eroding the influence of the many ports that used to dot its northern, western and southern coasts, notes New York Times columnist Nicolai Ouroussoff. By the 1960s, dictator François (Papa Doc) Duvalier had closed the other ports to concentrate his power in the capital, and the systemic neglect of the countryside, where roughly 80 per cent of the population lived, was well under way. Haiti was still largely food self-sufficient until the 1970s, when the International Monetary Fund and wealthy donor nations began to push for open-market policies in the new global marketplace. The theory worked like this: Haiti's production of certain staple crops, like rice, that were concentrated on smaller farms was inefficient and expensive compared to the huge operations found elsewhere. Haitian farmers should abandon their rice farms in favour of specialized exportable cash crops like coffee, mangoes and tobacco, or work at the many manufacturing jobs that would be created. They could use their riches to buy cheap imported rice and have cash left over. "The (Jean-Claude - Baby Doc) Duvalier dictatorship embraced these policies as a means of enrichment and maintaining control," said Bob Maguire, director of the Haiti program at Trinity College in Washington, D.C. "Subsequent democratically-elected governments in the 1990s to the present have been too weak and too dependent on international aid to resist them." Haiti receives about $165 million annually in foreign aid, much of it used to feed its people. It is in a poor position to say no. Haiti dropped its tariffs to some of the lowest rates in the Caribbean, and its market was quickly flooded with cheap, U.S. rice produced by highly subsidized farmers. Exports of American rice, the Washington Post noted, went from zero to 200,000 tonnes a year over two decades, making Haiti the fourth largest market for U.S. rice after Japan, Mexico and Canada. Hundreds of thousands of rice farmers no longer had a market for their produce. Starving and desperate, many flooded into Port-au-Prince with their families seeking manufacturing work that never appeared - at its peak, light industry created about 60,000 jobs in Haiti, but at least 70 per cent of those were lost after a military coup in 1991. Most of the jobs still pay low wages - averaging around $2 a day, or 40 cents an hour. Attempts by Haiti's parliament to increase the country's minimum wage to $5 a day recently were overruled by the business community, Charles Henri Baker among them, who argued Haiti would be unable to compete with places like the Dominican Republic, where minimum wage is $4.25 a day, Baker said. Meanwhile, the planned exports of coffee and mangoes were hurt by overproduction in poor countries and trade barriers in rich countries. Many Haitians changed their eating habits to cheap, imported rice instead of locally grown corn, millet and rice, putting them at the mercy of price fluctuations. In 2008, rice prices surged internationally, leading to protests, riots and starvation. Today, Haiti imports about 75 per cent of its food. In 1980, the Post reported, per capita income in Haiti was $600. Twenty years later it had dropped to $369. (It rose to about $480 by 2009). The IMF counters that the painful transition will work out if given time. In 2000, the Post reported, IMF officials accused their opponents of "exaggerating the influence of lending organizations, oversimplifying and distorting the issues, and playing down systemic problems such as corruption, political instability and insecurity." Haiti had an average of one government a year for 10 years after the Duvalier regime collapsed in 1986, officials noted, so no government was able to promote a long-standing economic program. "Claims that the IMF 'forced' Haiti to reduce tariffs, and even to abandon agricultural production, particularly on rice, are just based on faulty information and conjecture," said an IMF official in an email to The Gazette. The Haitian government lowered tariffs because inflation had risen to 40 per cent and people couldn't afford food, he wrote. "Our support for general trade liberalization ... reflects the clear evidence that countries open to trade do better and grow faster than countries with more restrictive regimes." According to Bill Clinton, however, U.S. president during the period in which tariffs were lowered, this has not been the case in Haiti. "It may have been good for some of my farmers in Arkansas, but it has not worked. I have to live every day with the consequences of the lost capacity to produce a rice crop in Haiti to feed the people." Recent history has shown free-market theory does not work in many developing nations, leading to poverty and outmigration, particularly in the Caribbean, University of Toronto associate professor Melanie Newton said. "We've sort of been brainwashed that having people work for $2 a day, that it will someday get better and salaries will rise. ... This model - vulture capitalism with extremely low wages - does not produce this stepping stone to a western system." Wages stay low, and the dreams of parents that their children will be educated and find better employment die because the better jobs are never created. "In Haiti, where rural life is valued, we have an opportunity to do things differently," Newton said. "Subsistence farming, which has been seen as lack of civilization for much of the 20th century, has actually been - socially, environmentally and politically - much more sustainable." Haiti, she added, must do a better job of protecting itself, refusing low-wage labour contracts and imposing tariffs. Neighbouring Dominican Republic, for instance, maintained its rice tariffs and refused the import of donated second-hand clothes to protect its local garment trade. Countries like Taiwan, held up as shining examples of the free-market economic system's potential for good, "enacted aggressive programs of universal education and agrarian investment before embarking on its touted light-manufacturing phase," Maguire notes. Haiti is a rural country with an agrarian structure and a market of 10 million people, he said. Support decentralized investment in the agricultural sector and the rural economy will rebound. But first Haiti must be allowed to level the playing field so its farmers can compete. "Haitian farmers merit the same kind of protection and subsidies as American and Canadian farmers," Maguire said. For Haiti's agricultural renaissance to benefit from the post-earthquake exodus, aid had better come to the outlying regions soon, farmers say. Residents who have returned complain there are no jobs and little to eat, and speak of returning to the capital. Haiti is said to have more non-governmental organizations per capita than any country in the world, a supposed blessing that has become something of a curse. NGOs filled many governmental roles, like providing health care and education, but without the overreaching framework a government normally provides to ensure an equal distribution of resources throughout the country. The resulting inability to govern was obvious in the earthquake's aftermath, when Haiti's government was practically invisible and NGOs took over relief efforts. Decades of international aid has also fostered a culture of dependency among many. Well-intentioned food aid is crippling local farmers unable to sell their produce. Post-earthquake redevelopment plans unveiled in late March bring hope for the regions, promising two new regional airports, two new sea ports, more than 600 kilometres of roads and economic zones in several cities to move the focus away from Port-au-Prince. Proponents of agricultural development acknowledge there are issues: The common trend worldwide is movement toward cities in search of employment and government services lacking in the regions. Most countries, developing or developed, have trouble attracting or retaining professionals like doctors, nurses and teachers to remote rural areas, which in turn dissuades others from settling there. Most young, educated city dwellers are not hankering to head out to the fields and wield a hoe in the blazing sun all day in locales that don't even have electricity. But, the proponents say, agricultural renewal can provide food security and dignified, self-sufficient livelihoods to millions who currently have neither, and form the basis for social and economic growth. Farmer Roland Hyppolite notes the challenge for farmers is great, and while he appreciates the efforts, he has seen little of NGOs or government officials in Lascahobas, located 50 kilometres northwest of Port-au-Prince. Farmers, he said, need technical training in how to create nurseries that won't be washed away during the four-month rainy season; they need money to buy pumps to get them through the dry season. There are few places to store their goods, be it cold rooms or warehouses to protect food from the elements and animals (Baker estimates half of Haiti's total crop rots because of the lack), so farmers bring their produce to market at the same time, driving down prices and leaving much unsold. Although Port-au-Prince is only 50 kilometres away, getting produce there by local transport can take hours over roads that resemble dried out riverbeds. In the Central Plateau, it's estimated 40 per cent of children are malnourished. Many die because their parents cannot find work. Revive the agricultural base, Hyppolite says, and wealth will follow: Factories that need labourers, managers and technicians will be built to transform the food and ready it for export; schools and hospitals will be built; light industry offering decent wages can then move to the countryside. Hyppolite has shown it can be done - he is a member of a group of six farming co-operatives made up of two to four farms each who have combined to share costs and labour and put together a large mix of products to interest foreign buyers. In one year, just one of the co-operatives produced 30,000 kilograms of yams, 9,000 kilos of potatoes, 1,000 kilos of pears, 25,000 kilos of red beans and 25,000 kilos of black beans, among other crops. Hyppolite found Brooks Pepperfire Foods based in Rigaud on the Internet, and has since opened contracts with other Canadian importers. "I have farming in my blood," said Hyppolite, the son of a farmer. "The choice to go into agriculture is not without challenges, especially in a country like mine. But my heart and my spirit are there." rbruemmer@thegazette.canwest.com © Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette |
|  | | Joel Super Star

 Nombre de messages: 8211 Localisation: USA Loisirs: Histoire Date d'inscription: 24/08/2006
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Mer 9 Juin 2010 - 7:09 | |
| Doub lan ki gen repitasyon kòm yon JANKLODIS souliye ke revni pa tèt an 1980 te 600 $. Se tankou misye vle di ke bagay yo te pi bon sou JANKLOD.Mwen di misye otan,paske an 1980 ,peyi an te gen mwens ke 5 milyon moun;kounye an li gen preske 10 milyon ,si pa plis. Si pou nou al pi lwen ;an 1950 revni pa tèt nou te egal ak KORE di Sid,li te devan peyi tankou TAYILAND. Peyi sa yo ,te konn sa y ap fè;yo te envesti agogo lan edikasyon.Se rezon sa a ke yo ye kote yo ye an ,se pa lòt rezon. Noumenm menm ,nou kont edikasyon ,eksepte pou yon ti gwoup.Nou bezwen bonbe lestomak nou ,pou nou di nou konnen ;se nou ki pou dirije. Si BAKER renonse lan bagay koudeta l lan;se pou yo di l byenvini.Se pou l pran la pawòl pou l di l renonse a jamè ak bagay sa a. Se pa pou misye vin plede ap di kouman l ap devlope sektè agrikliti;se pou misye vin di ke anmwens de 5 an,tout moun lan peyi an ap konn li ak ekri,tout timoun pral lekòl e ap gen inivèsite lan 4 kwen peyi an ,lè sa a pou mwenmenm m a tande sa l ap di. Antouka si se sou teren politik lan misye bezwen mennen konba a ;nou di misye ""Byenvini"' |
|  | | Sasaye Super Star


Nombre de messages: 5132 Localisation: Canada Loisirs: Arts et Musique Date d'inscription: 02/03/2007
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Mer 9 Juin 2010 - 9:06 | |
| Bekè montre ke li se yon nèg entelijan e pwogresis. Misye gen anpil kouraj pou l prezante tèt li kòm yon lidè politik e li pa ezite mete kandidati l kòm prezidan dAyiti.
Si nou analize kontèks sosyo-ekonomik peyi nou an kote kominote a divize dapre orijin sosyal ak eknik yon moun. Anplis gade baryè ekonomik kote moun ki gen lajan sèvi avè l pou ranfòse pouvwa sosyal e politik yo.
Nou kapab di ke Chalanri Bekè se yon eleman ki pa òdinè ni sa moun abitye wè lan peyisaj politik ayisyen. Sètadi li se yon nèg eksepsyonèl.
Si gen yon eleksyon enpasyal, misye ap jwen sipò tout klas biznis, komèsan, boujwa ak moun ki kwè yo se boujwa oubyen aspire pou yo vin boujwa. Misye gen chans jwen yon pati lan klas ouvriye a akòz anplwaye lan tekstil avèk fanmi yo ak zanmi yo, si l menen kanpay li byen.
Sou pwen sayo misye pase ekzamen an.
Sa pou misye demontre sè ke malgre tout bagay ki ta kont li (pa ekzanp li se bòfrè Apaid) sè ke li divòse avèk mantalite moun ki lan sektè kote li evolye sosyalman e ekonomikman yo. E ke li marye avèk kòz pèp ayisyen an.
Misye gen yon gwo atou avèk yon nèg tankou Chavanne Janbatis. Mwen konsidere Chavanne tankou yon ero lan Plato santral. Kidonk mwen bay msye kredi ke li wè pi lwen pase nou.
Sa pa vle di ke mwen se patizan Bekè. Mwen pa patizan pèsonn. Men se pou nou analize pou nou wè ki moun ki kapab pote faktè pwogrè, jistis ak devlopman pou Ayiti.
Bekè te fè bèl figi lan dènye eleksyon an. Li soti twazyem.
Sa vle di ke misye devan kamyonèt lan fwa saa, paske 2 lòt ki te devan l yo eliminen.
An rezime, nèg ki ap fè bri lan lari a, ap chèche manyòk pou yo rache, yo dèyè kamyonèt lan. Se pou yo chèche yon mwayen pou yo òganize yo avèk bon pwogram pou yo bati popilarite yo.
Oganize kanpay, atelye, sansibilizasyon pou pouse developman peyi a.
Fè reklam pou pati yo avèk lidè yo pou yo jwen senpati avèk sipo majorite pèp lan.
Se pou yo popilis menm paske se nesesè lan sosyete ayisyèn nan kote majorite ekrazan popilasyon an se peyizan ak moun pòv ki bezwen pwogrese.
Si se pa sa, Bekè kapab vinn prezidan. Sa ta yon anomali lan yon peyi tankou Ayiti. Nou kapab genyen yon Seaga.
Dernière édition par Sasaye le Jeu 10 Juin 2010 - 12:19, édité 2 fois |
|  | | Joel Super Star

 Nombre de messages: 8211 Localisation: USA Loisirs: Histoire Date d'inscription: 24/08/2006
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 | Sujet: LE Mer 9 Juin 2010 - 10:18 | |
| Si misye deside pou l monte yon kanpay serye,se ki ap yon bon bagay;se pou misye pi popilis ke menm ti pè an. Se pou misye fè moun yo konprann li se yon ayisyen entegral. Sasaye ou t ap pale de SEAGA ki te orijin arab ;MICHAEL MANLEY se te mèt li ye lan sòt de politik sa a.misye se te pitit NORMAN MANLEY ki te yon milat e manman l se te yon blanch anglèz;men jan li te aji pa t gen moun ki te mete an kesyon apatenans jamayiken l. si m pa twonpe m ,mwen kapab twonpe m;BAKER se desandan youn lan ameriken nwa ki te imigre ann AYITI lan ane 1850s yo.Te gen anpil milat lan mitan yo! Se pou misye koumanse bwose l lan kreyòl pèp lan;se yon bagay yon nonm tankou REGINALD BOULOS deja pase mèt lan sa. Tankou lòt mesyedam yo ;anpil ladan yo se tankou LEOPOLD SEDAR SENGHOR.Yo te di de Senghor ke li ""trop français pour ètre Sénégalais;trop Sénégalais pour ètre français"" |
|  | | T-NEG Modérateur


 Nombre de messages: 3551 Localisation: Montreal Loisirs: Sport Date d'inscription: 29/12/2008
 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Mer 9 Juin 2010 - 11:56 | |
| | Joel a écrit: | Si misye deside pou l monte yon kanpay serye,se ki ap yon bon bagay;se pou misye pi popilis ke menm ti pè an. Se pou misye fè moun yo konprann li se yon ayisyen entegral. Sasaye ou t ap pale de SEAGA ki te orijin arab ;MICHAEL MANLEY se te mèt li ye lan sòt de politik sa a.misye se te pitit NORMAN MANLEY ki te yon milat e manman l se te yon blanch anglèz;men jan li te aji pa t gen moun ki te mete an kesyon apatenans jamayiken l. si m pa twonpe m ,mwen kapab twonpe m;BAKER se desandan youn lan ameriken nwa ki te imigre ann AYITI lan ane 1850s yo.Te gen anpil milat lan mitan yo! Se pou misye koumanse bwose l lan kreyòl pèp lan;se yon bagay yon nonm tankou REGINALD BOULOS deja pase mèt lan sa. Tankou lòt mesyedam yo ;anpil ladan yo se tankou LEOPOLD SEDAR SENGHOR.Yo te di de Senghor ke li ""trop français pour ètre Sénégalais;trop Sénégalais pour ètre français"" |
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~htiwgw/familles/fiches/043963.htm _________________ «En me renversant, on n'a abattu à Saint-Domingue que le tronc de l'arbre de la liberté, mais il repoussera car ses racines sont profondes et nombreuses» Toussaint Louverture.
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|  | | Sasaye Super Star


Nombre de messages: 5132 Localisation: Canada Loisirs: Arts et Musique Date d'inscription: 02/03/2007
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Jeu 10 Juin 2010 - 11:40 | |
| Norman Manley ak Bustamente se de ero endepandans Jamayik. Mesye sayo te komanse lan mouvman sendikal epi yo goumen pou endepandans peyi yo. De nèg sayo se milat yo te ye, men yo ta p defann kòz travayè jamayiken. Yo pa konparab ak boujwa ayisyen yo. Yo pa menm konparab ak milat epòk endepandans nou an paske Petyon, Bwaye elatryie ta p defann enterè pa yo. Seaga te pi sanble avèk nèg milat pa nou yo. Orijin li menmjan ak Apaid, Bekè, moun sayo. Yo sòti lan komès ak endistri epi sèvi ak politik pou fè zafè yo mache. Se posib pou yon moun konsa detanzantan vinn yon bon lidè, men gen de eleman entrensèk ki enstenktif ke yon moun genyen e ke yon lòt moun pa toujou kapab aprann. Gade yon ekzanp ak Fujimori oubyen Stroesner. Menmsi yo te natifnatal, yo pa t janm kapab kominye avèk pèp yo. |
|  | | revelation Super Star


 Nombre de messages: 3073 Localisation: Washington, DC Opinion politique: Senior Financial Analyst Loisirs: walking, jogging, basket, tennis Date d'inscription: 21/08/2006
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Jeu 10 Juin 2010 - 13:59 | |
| Problem nan pa forseman koule pô klê kandida yo ni klass sosyal ke yo soti.
Problem nan, fok nouvo gouvenman sonje e rekonet ke se Prezidan tout peyi a e tout pep la ke yo ye. Priyorite nouvo gouvenans kap vini an se balanse klass sosyal yo yon fason ekitab e sistenab e dirab pou lot gouvenman kap vini deye sa kontinye olye de kwaze e rekomanse. Si Baker te soti 3ziemm nan eleksyon 2006 la, e si premye kandida (Preval) ak deziemm nan (Manigat) pa nan kous prezidansyel 2010 la anko, nou kap di avek konfidans e yon marj errer < 5% e si lot fakte yo rete konstan Baker gen yon chans pou'l vinn prezidan Dayiti. Detoutfason, fok nou sispan avek zafe koule pô, ak klass sosyal sa mezanmi! Analize sitiyasyon an de preferans avek statistik e referans scientifik olye de ogey ak santiman nou. Memmsi peyi Dayiti se terren glisse! Nenpot bagay kap rive! |
|  | | Doub-Sossis Super Star


 Nombre de messages: 1938 Localisation: Montreal Loisirs: cockfighting Date d'inscription: 24/12/2007
 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Jeu 10 Juin 2010 - 18:54 | |
| Hyppolite has shown it can be done - he is a member of a group of six farming co-operatives made up of two to four farms each who have combined to share costs and labour and put together a large mix of products to interest foreign buyers. In one year, just one of the co-operatives produced 30,000 kilograms of yams, 9,000 kilos of potatoes, 1,000 kilos of pears, 25,000 kilos of red beans and 25,000 kilos of black beans, among other crops. Hyppolite found Brooks Pepperfire Foods based in Rigaud on the Internet, and has since opened contracts with other Canadian importers.
Mwen te rankontre ak dame ki met konpayi ki rele Pepperfire Foods ki nan ville Rigaud, nan Quebec, Canada lew fin kite Montreal sou autoroute 40 West pou ale Ottawa (yon 30 minutes konsa de Montreal). Dam sa-a se yon gwo defenseur payizan Haitiens, se pa deux demarches lap fe bo kote otorite Canadiens pou plis facilite komes sila. Jis te gen yon kongres yo te invite Hyppolite, Canada pat bali viza, se pa 2 bwi madam sila fe nan media pa bo icitte pou denonse bagay sila komkwa se pa bay Haitien jis sinistre se bayo ou facilite acces pou yo kapab travay.
Pa examp li critike anpil tou Gouvelman Haitien ak autorite la Dwan ak konpayi avion kap mete obstak. konsa, hypolite te genle te gen pwoblem pou anbake yon kontene machandiz piment bouk voye bali.
Examp sila mountre a kle avek yon gouvelman kap facilite kalte bizniss konsa, si gen possibilite pote un peu teknologie tankou internet (wireless) nan provins yo pou desanclave yo gen ki choy ki ka fet pou leve nivo peyizan Haitien ak kwape la mize. Kom se pi gwo gwoup sosial ki lan peyi a e ki pi pov, se gwoup ki ka gen plis possibilite yon impak reel sou PIB a (aktielman li patissipe selman pou 25%, tandis ke li te nan 50% yo nan annes 60-70 yo). Mwen te pale de double revenu gwoup sa-a, Baker menm pale de triple li. Se pa impossib lo nou gade chif Hyppolite bay yo. Bien sur yon estrateji National panka base sou agrikilti selman, men se yon Gwo mosso (ki interesse 60% popiltion an). Gade Repiblik Dominicaine PIB per capita li nan anne 60 yo pat pi miyo passe Haiti koulia li 10 fois preske pa Haiti..Yap travay, noumenm nou rete deyer nap ranse.
Jowel renmen pale de "Apartheid" an Haiti, dapwe mwen si terme sa ka itilize selon mwen sata ant "moun lavil (repiblik Potoprins)" ak "moun andeyo (peyizan)". Tout gouvelman ki passe yo se jis souse yap souse payizans, ki pa resevwa ni sevis ni pousantaj ki pou ta revni yo selon partisipation yo lan PIB a (examp bidget agrikol Letat se 6%-ki pa menm rive nan provins yo, yo pa resevwa pies lot sevis letat preske).
Kife Letat potoprins predateur Ignore yo, itilize yo kom ajan payeur nan taxage exagere pwodwi tankou cafe, gaz etc...
Fok Politik sa-a change. Kiles ki ka delivre?
Dernière édition par Doub-Sossis le Sam 12 Juin 2010 - 10:45, édité 1 fois |
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 Nombre de messages: 8211 Localisation: USA Loisirs: Histoire Date d'inscription: 24/08/2006
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 8:47 | |
| | revelation a écrit: | Problem nan pa forseman koule pô klê kandida yo ni klass sosyal ke yo soti.
Problem nan, fok nouvo gouvenman sonje e rekonet ke se Prezidan tout peyi a e tout pep la ke yo ye.
Priyorite nouvo gouvenans kap vini an se balanse klass sosyal yo yon fason ekitab e sistenab e dirab pou lot gouvenman kap vini deye sa kontinye olye de kwaze e rekomanse.
Si Baker te soti 3ziemm nan eleksyon 2006 la, e si premye kandida (Preval) ak deziemm nan (Manigat) pa nan kous prezidansyel 2010 la anko, nou kap di avek konfidans e yon marj errer < 5% e si lot fakte yo rete konstan Baker gen yon chans pou'l vinn prezidan Dayiti.
Detoutfason, fok nou sispan avek zafe koule pô, ak klass sosyal sa mezanmi! Analize sitiyasyon an de preferans avek statistik e referans scientifik olye de ogey ak santiman nou. Memmsi peyi Dayiti se terren glisse! Nenpot bagay kap rive! |
Se pou nou sispann ak bagay AYITI SE TÈ GLISE an.Tout peyi lan zòn lan se te tè glise;kounye an yo pa sa ankò. Zafè nèg ap di ke fòk prezidan se prezidan tout moun yo ;fò k rans sa a sispann tou.Prezidan an dwe respekte règ jwèt lan ,se sa sèlman li dwe fè. Si l prezidan ,li dwe gouvène ak moun pa l;li pa dwe pèsonn djòb.Si l pa fè sa li dwe fè ,se lan BWAT VÒT lan pou nou pini l.Si l vyole la lwa se mete bon enstitisyon ki pou fè l peye sa. An menm tan tou ,se pa grangou,ekspè kann kale yo ki pou vin di li vyole lwa. Kanta BAKER menm;politik se yon syans ""sosyal"" ak anfaz sou mo sosyal lan.Lè yon moun vote ,li vote selon enterè l men li vote ak emosyon l tou. Tankou ameriken yo di yo vote anpil fwa pou moun yo ta prefere bwè yon byè ak li;lan ka pa nou an moun yo ta prefere bwè yon kout kleren ak li;sa vle di yon mounke l alèz ak li. E se la tès lan pral pou BAKER.Eske moun yo alèz ou ap alèz ak BAKER? Se rezon sa a ke MANIGAT yo pa p janm prezidan lan eleksyon lib e libè;moun yo pa alèz ak yo! |
|  | | Joel Super Star

 Nombre de messages: 8211 Localisation: USA Loisirs: Histoire Date d'inscription: 24/08/2006
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 9:04 | |
| | Doub-Sossis a écrit: |
Jowel renmen pale de "Apartheid" an Haiti, dapwe mwen si terme sa ka itilize selon mwen sata ant "moun lavil (repiblik Potoprins)" ak "moun andeyo (peyizan)". Tout gouvelman ki passe yo se jis souse yap souse payizans, ki pa resevwa ni sevis ni pousantaj ki pou ta revni yo selon partisipation yo lan PIB a (examp bidget agrikol Letat se 6%-ki pa menm rive nan provins yo, yo pa resevwa pies lot sevis letat preske).
Kife Letat potoprins predateur Ignore yo, itilize yo kom ajan payeur nan taxage exagere pwodwi tankou cafe, gaz etc...
Fok Politik sa-a change. Kiles ki ka delivre? |
Mon chè,ou renmen pale de zafè koulè sa a.Mwen kwè ke pèp ayisyen an depase staj sa a.Tankou m di l deja ,si gen moun tankou frè IZMERY yo ou byen JAN DOMINIK YO TE DI KI TE MILAT ki poze kandidati yo ;moun yo ap vote pou yo. Pa gen kesyon moun ki kapab fè.Y ap vote pou BAKER apre yo fè yon asèsman ke si misye chanje ,paske moun kapab chanje;e sa misye ap di yo tou se pa pawòl lan bouch. Pa vin retounen ak bagay koulè w lan ,pa gen ase milat ou moun klè ann AYITI pou yo ta chita yon gouvènman sou baz koulè.Jis pa rete ase. Popilasyon yo konn disparèt ou preske disparèt lan majorite an .Pa gen anyen ou ka fè kont sa.PEROU te gen yon laj popilasyon nwa.Yo di majorite moun lan zòn LIMA yo ,se nwa yo te ye ,yo jis disparèt lan misejenasyon. Se pwoblèm sa a,petèt pou ou,AYITI genyen ;yo di DOMINIKANI koumanse gen menm pwoblèm lan ;""blancos de la tierra"" yo blije ap marye ak kouzen yo! |
|  | | Sasaye Super Star


Nombre de messages: 5132 Localisation: Canada Loisirs: Arts et Musique Date d'inscription: 02/03/2007
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 11:04 | |
| Doub ap pale de eksklizyon ke moun lavil fè ap peyizan. Sa l di a se vre. Nèg lavil pa respekte nèg monn. Se pa yon zafè de koulè. Se yon atitid sosyolojik. Fenomèn restavèk la se la li soti: nenpòt malere lavil pran pye sou peyizan. Yo di yo pa kanmarad moun monn e yo trete yo an enferyè. Ou pa janm wè kijan ,oun yo pale avek machann ki soti andeyo? Nèg ki soti andeyò, lan klas peyizan, lè yo evolye, yo pa menm pale ak fanmi yo ki rete andeyò a. Yo vinn wont fanmi yo. Sityasyon saa lan tout peyi a. Ou pa bezwen ale lwen de Potoprens. Wa p jwen li Rivyè fwad, Kenskof oubyen Kwadèmisyon. Saa se yon fòm apatayd li ye vre. Epi, mesye, lè na p nye ekzistans kestyon koulè a, al pale avèk jenn moun lan klass boujwa an Ayiti, na tande. Na sezi. Po yo pa menm bezwen klè pou yo pran atitid elitis ki pito asosye ak blan. Kooperan blan yo goute lan krèm nan kote ti nèg pa kapab parèt. Alman gen preferans. Joel, ou kapab wè sa lan klib ayisyen lan Nouyok tou. |
|  | | Joel Super Star

 Nombre de messages: 8211 Localisation: USA Loisirs: Histoire Date d'inscription: 24/08/2006
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 11:38 | |
| SASAYE; Mwen pa di ke bagay sa a pa ekziste ankò.Yon moun ou gwoup moun ki derive avantaj de yon sitiyasyon se pa fasil pou yo kite sa ale. Sèl bagay lan ;gwoup ki sibi bagay sa a ,gendwa fòse men lòt gwoup lan. Si mesye ki gen po ki pi fonse yo e yo kite sektè biznis lan pou sa ki pi klè yo;se repwodwi y ap repwodwi fenomèn lan. Si yo angaje yo lan sektè an ;alòs si lòt lan pi klè? So what? Se tankou mwen sonje yon bagay ke aktyèl prezidan dominiken an te di lè misye te kandida Pati l lan ;lan yon eleksyon kont PENA GOMEZ. Repòtè NYTIMES lan di ke eske se pa yon bagay rasyal ke DOMINIKEN vle vote pou li e pa pou PENA GOMEZ? Misye paske se NOUYÒK li te leve reponn ,si m ka parafraze ""Gade mwen ,kisa ki pa nwa lakay mwen?"" Mwen kwè ke bagay koulè an ka ekziste toujou ann AYITI men se pa yon bagay ki enpòtan ;yon bagay ki ka detèmine fiti w ;tankou sa te ye 50 ou 60 an de sa ou byen kouman yo te ye ,lè JEAN PRICE MARS te pibliye ""AINSI PARLA L'ONCLE"" |
|  | | Sasaye Super Star


Nombre de messages: 5132 Localisation: Canada Loisirs: Arts et Musique Date d'inscription: 02/03/2007
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 12:25 | |
| Wi Joel, se pou ayisyen otantik rantre lan biznis, louvri antrepriz e se pou leta ankouraje epi sibvansyone yo. Se pa ke nèg yo pa vle antre lan komès, gade madan sara yo. Moun sa yo se antreprenè toutbon yo ye. Yo genyen plis tranzaksyon lan peyi an ke komèsan siryen lan bodmè a. Yo louvri bak yo lan tout kwen Potoprens, lan zònn rezidansyèl tou. Yo degaje yo e kreye travay pou tèt yo san yo pa tann pou gouvènman vin ede yo. Mwen rankontre yon gwoup madan Sara lan ayewopò Curacao. Yo pran tout ayewopò a avèk machandiz epi kreyòl fè kenken. Se te bèl bagay. Men genyen barye sosyal ki anpeche yo ouvri magazen. Barye sayo baze sou klas ak ran sosyal epi koulè tou. Gen òmdipèp ki lan gwo biznis, men yo an minorite lan yon peyi kote yo an majorite. E yo pa kapab antre lan Chanm de Komès lan. Wi, bagay yo pa menmjan ak lè nou te kite Ayiti, yo evolye, men atitid lan la toujou. E gen nèg ki pa bezwen po klè pou yo pran pòz milat. |
|  | | Joel Super Star

 Nombre de messages: 8211 Localisation: USA Loisirs: Histoire Date d'inscription: 24/08/2006
Feuille de personnage Jeu de rôle: Le patriote
 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 13:21 | |
| ""E GEN NÈG KI PA BEZWEN GEN PO KLÈ POU YO PRAN PÒZ MILAT"" Se la pwoblèm lan ye ;gen de nèg ki ble ,men yo konpòte yo an blan franse plis ke blan franse yo yomenm. Se bagay sa a ki te fè JEAN PRICE MARS pran yon ton preske de dekourajman lè li t ap reflechi sou kijan Ayisyen te wè tèt yo ,lan liv li an ""AINSI PARLA L'ONCLE"" ki te pibliye sa gen plis ke 80 an de sa. Men sa misye te di lan paj 10 ak 11:
""Par une logique implacable,au fur et à mesure que nous nous efforcions de nous croire des Français ""colorés"",nous désapprenions à ètre des Haitiens tout court,c'est à dire des hommes nés en des conditions historiques déterminées,ayant ramassé dans leurs ames ,comme tous les autres groupements humains,un complexe psychologique qui donne à la communauté haitienne sa physiognomie spécifique. Dès lors tout ce qui est authentiquement indigène-langage,moeurs,sentiments,croyances-devient-il suspect,entaché de mauvais gouts aux yeux des élites éprises de la nostalgie de la patrie perdue.A plus forte raison,le mot nègre,jadis terme générique,acquiert-il un sens péjoratif. Quant à celui ""d'Africain"",il a toujours été,il est l'apostrophe la plus humiliante qui puisse ètre addressée à un Haitien. A la rigueur,l'homme le plus distingué de ce pays aimerait mieux qu'on lui trouve quelque ressemblance avec un Eskimau,un Samoyède ou un Toungouze plutot que lui rappeler son ascendance guinéenne ou soudanaise.Il faut voir avec quel orgueil quelques-unes des figures les plus représentatives de notre milieu évoquent la virtualité de quelque filiation batarde. Toutes les turpitudes des promiscuités coloniales,les hontes anonymes des rencontres de hasard,les brèves parades de deux paroxysmes sont devenues des titres de considération et de gloire. QUEL PEUT ÈTRE L'AVENIR,QUELLE PEUT ETRE LA VALEUR D'UNE SOCIÉTÉ OU DE TELLES ABERRATIONS DE JUGEMENT,DE TELLES ERREURS D'ORIENTATION SE SONT MUÉES EN SENTIMENTS CONSTITUTIONNÉS?""
Kesyon yo sanble rete menm ;apre 82 zan! |
|  | | Sasaye Super Star


Nombre de messages: 5132 Localisation: Canada Loisirs: Arts et Musique Date d'inscription: 02/03/2007
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 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Ven 11 Juin 2010 - 15:35 | |
| Wi, na p poze menm kestyon sayo toujou. Se sa k fè mwen di pwoblèm saa la toujou.
Se pou m ajoute ke Price-Mars te dekri Peyizan ayisyen an tankou yon nèg Ki Fyè, ki rekonèt pèsonalite l e ki gen konpotman Nob. Pa ekzanp jan yo salye yon moun ak Onè E Respè.
Nou pa jwen bagay konsa lan vil yo kote nèg ap adopte tou sa ki etranje. Kidonk pwoblèm idantite a se lan klas dirijant yo li ye plis. |
|  | | Doub-Sossis Super Star


 Nombre de messages: 1938 Localisation: Montreal Loisirs: cockfighting Date d'inscription: 24/12/2007
 | Sujet: Re: PAWOL PALE: BAKER A LATTAK Sam 12 Juin 2010 - 10:29 | |
| Sasaye mesi wou repon Jowel pou mwen.
Mussieu pat konprn ditou sans sa mwen tap diya. Se pat yon kestion koule men bien yon kestion moun la vil ak moun andeyor.
Eske Jowel konen sa pa gen trop lontan moun andeyo pat ka rantre nan ville yo si yo pat gen yon papie menm jan nan tan apartheid yon moun nwa patka passe nan katie blanc Afrik di sid si wou pat gen yon aotorization poussa.
Retounen al li Code Agraire Toussaint, wa konpran sou ki kote divide sa koumansse nan peyi Dayiti.
men yon ti jof "Une oligarchie militaro-terrienne issue de la guerre de l’indépendance s’empare des terres laissées par les colons français, au détriment d’une paysannerie souvent en révolte. Il existait en outre des législations autoritaires visant au maintien forcé des paysans sur les grands domaines : les Règlements de cultures de Toussaint Louverture (octobre 1800), le Code Rural (1826) du président Boyer, puis le Code Rural (1863) du président Geffrard. Synthétisées dans l’expression « caporalisme agraire », ces mesures perçues comme des corvées par les paysans haïtiens, ont alimenté une grande instabilité au cours du XIX° siècle. Les difficultés du jeune Etat s’aggravent lorsqu’en 1825 Jean-Pierre Boyer accepte de payer une indemnisation colossale de 150 millions de francs-or à la France de Charles X, contre la reconnaissance de l’indépendance. Ramenée en 1838 à 90 millions, payables en 30 ans, la dette ne sera remboursée qu’en 1888 grevant terriblement les ressources d’Haïti. "
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