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 La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!

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MessageSujet: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mar 17 Aoû 2010 - 15:32

FRANCE REFUSES TO PAY BACK HAITI’S “INDEPENDENCE DEBT”AUGUST 17, 2010
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The French foreign ministry announced on Monday that it will not comply with a request to return $22 billion that Haiti was forced to pay France in exchange for its independence in 1804. The request was published as an open letter to President Nicolas Sarkozy in the French daily Libération. Its signatories, including Noam Chomsky, Eduardo Galeano, Cornel West and Naomi Klein, called the debt “illegitimate” and “illegal.”

The Foreign Ministry defended its decision, arguing that France has already cancelled $72 million of Haiti’s debt. This is in addition to the $418 million it has committed to the recovery effort following the January 12 earthquake. However, the international relief aid pledged by nations like France and the United States has been dreadfully slow to arrive. Eight months after the disaster, only 10 percent of aid announced at the international donor’s conference in March has been delivered.

According to the 90 academics, politicians and writers who signed the open letter, if the $22 billion “independence debt” was returned to Haiti, it could fill the current aid gap, stimulate the reconstruction effort and put pressure on the international community to deliver the money that was promised.
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FRANCE DISMISSES PETITION FOR IT TO PAY $17 BILLION IN HAITI REPARATIONS

France on Tuesday rejected a petition calling for it to pay $17 billion to help with Haiti earthquake reconstruction as a way to make amends for fees charged Haiti by the French crown 200 years ago.
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France dismissed a call by left-leaning politicians and others for it to pay the modern equivalent of 90 million gold francs – about $17 billion – to Haiti as reparations for a 200-year-old injustice.

A petition signed by 100 artists, scholars, and EU politicians that was released Monday called on France to give Haiti $17 billion for earthquake reconstruction. The money would essentially reimburse a fee French King Charles X charged Haiti after a revolt that ended slavery there. King Charles justified the fee as compensation for the loss of slaves and other property.

Such requests are not new, authorities say, arguing that France has given substantial aid and debt relief to its former colony, and plans more.
The British Guardian and French Liberation dailies yesterday ran the open letter to French president Nicolas Sarkozy signed by the likes of US academics Cornel West and Noam Chomsky, EU political figures Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Eva Joly, columnist Naomi Klein, and a host of US and French academics, rappers, and public figures.

Some 90 million was “extorted” by the French crown for losses in slaves and property and “illegitimately forced a people who had won their independence in a successful slave revolt, to pay again for their freedom,” the letter states.

By 1804 a Haitian revolt against colonial France made it the first independent former black slave republic. But faced with threats of a French blockade, invasion, and isolation, Haiti agreed to pay, taking until 1947 to pay-off interest on what is known as its “independence debt.” Accompanied by 14 gunships in 1825, France demanded Haiti pay for its freedom and slave value to the tune of 150 million gold francs (reduced in 1838) by borrowing from a French bank.

Two days ago President Sarkozy, citing the Pakistan floods, Russian wildfires, and the Haitian earthquake, called on the European Union to develop a “rapid response” to global natural disasters.

But the call contrasts with an Aug. 6 statement by UN Haitian special envoy Bill Clinton, who said that only 10 percent of the $5.6 billion promised to Haiti at a donor’s conference last March had come through.

Sarkozy, who became the first French head of state to visit Haiti last February, implied France still owes something to the country: "Our presence here did not leave only good memories. Even if I did not start my mandate at the time of Charles X, I am still responsible in the name of France."

Responding to the petition, foreign ministry spokesperson Christine Fages said France gives Haiti $25 million a year, has given $30 million in humanitarian aid since the earthquake in January that left some 250,000 dead, has erased a $72 million in debt, and plans a total of $420 million more in aid through next year.

French officials did not address the legitimacy of the debt, with analysts saying such an admission could open a flood-gate of former colonial claims. France, for its part, has steadily requested that Moscow recompense a group of French investors that prior to 1917 put vast sums into the Russian rail system. Lenin declared the debt void under Soviet rule. But recently Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin agreed to reopen negotiations.

A set of activists hacked onto the French foreign ministry website on Bastille day. The “Committee for the Reimbursement of the Indemnity Money Extorted from Haiti (CRIME)” left a bogus announcement that the French government had finally agreed to repay the money it received from Haiti in the 19th century. Days later officials said they might prosecute the hackers.

In the open letter, signees said that, “We believe the ideals of equality, fraternity and liberty would be far better served if, instead of pouring public resources into the prosecution of these pranksters, France were to start paying Haiti back for the 90 million gold francs that were extorted following Haitian independence.”
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mar 17 Aoû 2010 - 15:43

À force d'en parler, le monde ouvrira ses yeux sur cette injustice.
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mar 17 Aoû 2010 - 15:51

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French officials did not address the legitimacy of the debt, with analysts saying such an admission could open a flood-gate of former colonial claims.
France, for its part, has steadily requested that Moscow recompense a group of French investors that prior to 1917 put vast sums into the Russian rail system.
Lenin declared the debt void under Soviet rule.
But recently Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin agreed to reopen negotiations
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Gen le ke peyi la Frans puissan Papa!!
Memm a la Russie, la Frans ap fe pression e mande lajan ke investisé yo pedi an Russie!
Ka Ayiti a diferan!
Se kolonize ke Franse te vinn kolonize nou e nou pran libete nou anba yo Se yo ki pou remet nou lajan nou.
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mar 17 Aoû 2010 - 15:53

T-NEG a écrit:
À force d'en parler, le monde ouvrira ses yeux sur cette injustice.

Pourquoi Boyer avait-il proposé de payer cette dette?

Poukisa an 2004, GNB yo te di La Frans pa peye?
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mar 17 Aoû 2010 - 16:13

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Pourquoi Boyer avait-il proposé de payer cette dette?
Poukisa an 2004, GNB yo te di La Frans pa peye?
Boyer pap "propoze" pou peye dette la! La Frans te vini avek 15 bato de guer pou yo te vinn volo lajan saa!
Boyer pat gen le chwa!
Trop sang koule!
Pep la te fatigue batay!

Memm Empereur Soulouk te di ke li pap peye! La Frans vini avek 15 bato anko pou fe pression! An plizye fwa chef deta nou yo di ke yo pap peye!!

Dette saa te 150 million franc or yo redwi li a 90 million. Mesye sa yo te gen monopol e exklizivite, cafe, cacao, bwa mahogany etc..Se ak sa ke nou tap peye dette nou.

Mesye sa yo te gen monopol camionette Peugot an Ayiti.
Tout kamionet transpo Petion-Ville e sou wont Carefour se machinn franse.Mesye sa yo sousse nou tout jan ke yo kapab.

Poukisa an 2004, GNB yo te di La Frans pa peye?? Paske intellektyel Ayisyen yo se yon band "vandu" kap ranmanse kwass meday ak prix nan men la Frans. Jan Valentin di a: Yon pa vinn ede ni di 2 mo pou malere kap soufre an ba tent.

Danny Laferiere te an Ayiti jou seisme la, li manke mouri, se vant signature liv li kite nan tet li.
Memm yo ti kado li pa fe pep la! E lap vinn ranmase lajan nan yon peyi ki gen 70% illetre.! Oportinist ke li ye, li gen tan ekri yon roman sou zafe seisme saa.

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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mar 17 Aoû 2010 - 19:35

bon eske se vre genyen moun ki te kwè ke let intelektyel sa yo ekrii ya te pral fose la frans peye ayiti?nou pa konnen kisa ki jisitis nan le monde :la force.moun feb pa jwen jistis ici ba.Se pousa menm lè yon moun ap kondane Israelyen yo men tou yo peye konsekans febless yo;epi yo di sa pap janm rive ankò.eske nou kwè si israel se te yon piti mi san gadò tankou ayiti alman yo ta va ap peye yo pou sa ke jwif yo te pase nan kan konsantratyon alman yo.mwen toujou di jou yon peyi afriken yo fè premye test zam nikleyè wap wè tout neg dan le monde genyen plis respè.
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mer 18 Aoû 2010 - 0:26

colocolo a écrit:
T-NEG a écrit:
À force d'en parler, le monde ouvrira ses yeux sur cette injustice.

Pourquoi Boyer avait-il proposé de payer cette dette?

Poukisa an 2004, GNB yo te di La Frans pa peye?

Pourquoi a-t-on autoboycotté les 200 ans de notre indépendance.. Que c'est laid plus j'y pense, j'ai envi de vomir.
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mer 18 Aoû 2010 - 7:13

Rodlam Sans Malice a écrit:
bon eske se vre genyen moun ki te kwè ke let intelektyel sa yo ekrii ya te pral fose la frans peye ayiti?nou pa konnen kisa ki jisitis nan le monde :la force.moun feb pa jwen jistis ici ba.Se pousa menm lè yon moun ap kondane Israelyen yo men tou yo peye konsekans febless yo;epi yo di sa pap janm rive ankò.eske nou kwè si israel se te yon piti mi san gadò tankou ayiti alman yo ta va ap peye yo pou sa ke jwif yo te pase nan kan konsantratyon alman yo.mwen toujou di jou yon peyi afriken yo fè premye test zam nikleyè wap wè tout neg dan le monde genyen plis respè.

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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mer 18 Aoû 2010 - 8:36

Mwen konprann mandela se yon pasifist ,men tou nan mond chen manje chen saa fok ou genyen kek gwo dan wi pou lot chen pa pran vye zo w genyen.mwen pa di pou peyi afriken kite moun ap mouri gan gou tankou an kore di nord pou devloper gwo zam fann fwa non ;men tou petet si Sankara te genyen gwo zam fann fwa genyen peyi ki ta pè rantre nan koze peyil jis pou yo ta fè mèsenè fisye l.

mon chè an palan de zam menm lè mwen ta vle konsidere charles baker misye sot di yon bagay la ki dekomposem net. Misye di menm jou li prete serman li ap siye 3 arete presidantyel;Yon nan yo se poul retabli FADH la menm jou an.se pou sa mwen pap ka monte nan bus respè.paske si nan pwen ayiti ye la pou yon nonm di premye sa ke li ap fè sil presidan se retabli FADH la montre kareman ke neg sa yo se esklavaj perpetyel la yap defann e yo toujou beswen esklav de mezon pou fwete esklav ki ta vle revolte yo.Order, progress and work means slavery, injustice,disorder for most.Sorry Mr baker ,you just lost my vote.(lol)kok pral monte vit nan bus respè pou li al ouvri gagann li sou chan de mars rele Divisionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn garde à vous(lol)Mwen finn wè kok ak paket charles Oscar li yo ki ap mache o pas anba soley la tou grangou.(lol)
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MessageSujet: Re: La Frans Refizé Kareman Retounen lajan Independans Peyi Dayiti a!   Mer 18 Aoû 2010 - 10:25

Afrik di Sid pa lan rans ak moun.Gade sa yo fè lan ZIMBABWE lè Ewopeyen ak Ameriken te deside pou yo kapote MUGABE.
MBEKI te deklare ke al jete MUGABE ;se lan gè sivil ZIMBABWE ap tonbe ;epi yon pakèt refijye ap tonbe sou yo ;misye di ,yo kanpe lwen.
Se yomenm tou ki te fè ameriken yo anbake ARISTIDE prese,prese paske MBEKI te pwomèt ARISTIDE bon jan zouti pou l te koresponn ak GNBis.
E yo genyen bon jan zouti ;se yo ki manifaktire pi bon pyès kanno sou planèt.
Yo ka pa ka koresponn ak ETAZINI men yo genyen ase repondong pou pwisans 2zyèm kategori yo.
Yo gen ase kòwonn pou yo koresponn ak yo ,san yo pa bezwen bonb atomik
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