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MessageSujet: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptyVen 18 Fév 2011 - 22:36

one who does not feel shame or guilt tends to have socio-pathological tendencies; and someone who does not feel shame with regard to Haiti at this point is incapable of really loving Haiti. how could you not feel shame if you cared? how could you walk around with your head high on the achievements of our ancestors alone while you have done nothing to improve on their sacrifice? how could you be proud while our children are eating dirt biscuit? how could be you be proud while you do not have one good university? how could you be proud of you while you have not achieved anything yourselves? i know that there is nothing for me to be proud of because i have not accomplished shit !!!!!
be shamed, and that shame may one day transform itself into activation energy and propel us to the moon!
be shamed, hide your face, beg forgiveness to our ancestors for making a fool out of their vision!!!!!


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keen you are absolutely right.
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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 8:04

Mais où se trouve la verite ?


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Koute problem la// Martelly deja presiden.. es ou konpran ça… ce pa yon bagay. Martelly ceci ou cela ou Manigat cela ou ceci. peuple haïtien. yon peuple eduke ap vote pou Martelly. ce pep kap vote pou li. ce la demokrati… FOK NOU RESPECTE DEMOCRASI[/b]
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J'espère que cette sortie fut une boutade du mécontentement citoyen ! Moi aussi j'ai honte .A tous les paliers de la honte .En tous cas, tous les pays qui veulent nous enseigner la démocratie n'ont pas commencé leur aventure politique avec cette notion stérile dans notre milieu social et politique, [u]un homme, un vote. Seuls nos méchants intellos veulent encourager Haiti à s'atrophier au confluent du populisme de trois courants populistes :

Celui de l'Amérique ,un collège électoral fait obstacle à ce mouvement et fonctionne comme un régulateur des passions du moment .Ce populisme d'état vise à ouvrir tous les marchés économiques du monde au profit du monde capitaliste .Il ya le populisme européen ,une variance de celui de l'Amérique qui s'illusionne que les idées de la gauche sont plus capables de trouver des solutions aux problèmes de peuple et de pays .Il lui manque la sincérité ou la candeur de l'impérialisme américain .Et il y a le populisme tiers-mondiste qui se croit tout permis dans sa folie car ses partisans intellectuels pensent qu'ils vont arriver ,dans un monde deja trop vieux , à contrôler les ressources de la planète à travers les sévices de la guerilla physique et psychologique .

Il y a dans notre vécu présent une opportunité qui nous est offerte depuis longtemps de débattre les notions de la démocraties ,les difficultes de sa mise en application et notre plutott servile acceptation de tout ce qui se dit à son sujet sans comprendre ce que ça demande de changement dans la mentalité d'un peuple pour adopter les paramètres d'une telle vision. Nos intellos parlent de la démocratie au futur de l''Abstrait et à la rejection du présent dominateur .On dirait qu'ils sont plus démocrates que ceux qui utilisent ce moyen politique d'assurer les privilèges conquis en dehors des principes souverains de la démocratie .Ils ne sont pas capables de trouver les explications adéquates au :

- " Vinn pwan si nou kapab sa'm fin vole deja depi lontan apwe mwin ke mwin di mwin se yon "sivilize eke mwin di ki sa reg yo ye " kounye a .
Je trouve ca tout a fait charmant de la part des colonises .Comme on dit toujours,le poison est dans le fruit .

Le coté tragi-comique de cette aberration de nos circonstances , sous l'influence de la conquête étrangère , c'est que les prédateurs de la relève semblent nous dire au fond de notre déchéance que nous sommes capables de faire avec nos moyens et notre population ce qu'ils étaient impuissant à réaliser au commencement de l’épopée nationale avec des moyens beaucoup plus supérieurs aux nôtres et une population beaucoup plus éduquée au sein de l’intégration systémique d'exploitation né du mercantilisme et de la révolution industrielle.
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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 8:35

Verite ou byen manti!
Sa depand de ki moun ki di'l e ki sa ke'l itilize pou sipote sa'l di a!
Sak manti pou youn, se youn verite pou youn lot se sak fe ke nap vire an ron kankou yon chien kap mode pis nan point ke'l.
Se esprit de partizaneri saa kap fet sou forum nan ki fe ke nou pedi nan sije saa.

We nou wont de sitiasyon sa ki rive Jamaik la! Nou gen fanmi nou ki nan ekip fooball Ayisyen sa ki pran leave of absense nan lekol pou vinn jwe e reprezante peyi yo. Yo pa konnen zafe cholera ni malaria, mem kom mamb ekip yap sibi e peye pou sa.

Papa yo ak manman yo, zanmi vwazin kite travay yo nan NY e vwayaje ak yo pou sipote yo. Memm manager l'hotel la vle mete Ayisyen viziter sa yo deyo tou akoz de swadizan maladi.
Tout sa a koz de move imaj ke peyi Dayiti nou gennyen.
E se nou tout malere kankou granneg kap peye sa.

Paske kelkeswa sitizenship e passpo etranje ke nou genyen deye poch nou, : "Born in Haiti" a ap toujou nan rekod nou.
M'pa jamb wont di ke se an Ayiti ke'm pran nessans, memm si blan pa vle kwe'm paske imaj negatif ke yo genyen de Ayiti fet pou chanje. Se nou ki ambassader peyi nou a l'etranje!

Wont, frape ko nou a te, fe koler, rele Anmmwee pap sifi!!
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Verite ou byen manti!
Sa depand de ki moun ki di'l e ki sa ke'l itilize pou sipote sa'l di a!
Sak manti pou youn, se youn verite pou youn lot se sak fe ke nap vire an ron kankou yon chien kap mode pis nan point ke'l.
Se esprit de partizaneri saa kap fet sou forum nan ki fe ke nou pedi nan sije saa.

We nou wont de sitiasyon sa ki rive Jamaik la! Nou gen fanmi nou ki nan ekip fooball Ayisyen sa ki pran leave of absense nan lekol pou vinn jwe e reprezante peyi yo. Yo pa konnen zafe cholera ni malaria, mem kom mamb ekip yap sibi e peye pou sa.

Papa yo ak manman yo, zanmi vwazin kite travay yo nan NY e vwayaje ak yo pou sipote yo. Memm manager l'hotel la vle mete Ayisyen viziter sa yo deyo tou akoz de swadizan maladi.
Tout sa a koz de move imaj ke peyi Dayiti nou gennyen.
E se nou tout malere kankou granneg kap peye sa.

Paske kelkeswa sitizenship e passpo etranje ke nou genyen deye poch nou, : "Born in Haiti" a ap toujou nan rekod nou.
M'pa jamb wont di ke se an Ayiti ke'm pran nessans, memm si blan pa vle kwe'm paske imaj negatif ke yo genyen de Ayiti fet pou chanje. Se nou ki ambassader peyi nou a l'etranje!

Wont, frape ko nou a te, fe koler, rele Anmmwee pap sifi!!


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A true haitian can't be no more than be ashamed of what is going on this country. Most of us are proud to boast about the haitian revolution. We have been for centuries sitting down on this magnifiscent win over Napoelon…But is it sufficient in a life of a nation to win a war? The haitian proud is only based upon the victory of African slaves over France. No other significant achievements have ever come about to give a real sense of pride to this country.

The true patriot is not necessarily motivated by the past history of his country but by his engagement in helping his country gain respect in the eyes of other nations. Haitians all across the isles are always politically motivated to destroy their opponents.. This is the reason why, I am not interested in criticizing our leaders. This is a haitian disease to contest every thing.

If Duvalier is not the target, Aristid will.. If it isn't the latter, it is Preval.. If it isn't Preval, it got to be Martelly.. If it isn't Martelly.. It is Manigat.. If not Manigat.. It is somebody else… What the heck is this disease? Can we strike the balance between evil and good? If all haitian leaders are bad people, well we might as well think that it is the haitian people that it is a bad nation…

We currently live in the most difficult time of our history, but we keep arguing about stupid things.. such as the homosexuality of our leaders ( Duvivier, Marthelly).. Which modern haitian educated outside of the haitian environment will accept such bigotry? The level of haitian conciousness is very low.

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Born in Haiti" a ap toujou nan rekod nou.


The idea that a person born Haiti has to adopt haitian values is a joke. The question is not whether a person was born in Haiti or outside of Haiti…Those haitians born outside of Haiti from haitian parents. why do you think the majority of them don't identify themselves as haitian? Why.. There is a fondamental reason to such alienation… No other nation on earth react this way…

I don't blame hatian born in Haiti or outside the country for beeing ashamed of this country.. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that is refreshing about Haiti… except when you go in the country side to breathe the fresh air of the mountains.

The worst about the haitian nightmare isn't that most Haitian are now ahamed of their countries…But Black caribbean and African looked down on Haitian because we make the black race feel ashamed.. We are at the bottom of the black race.. we pulling down the black race with our savage attitude of dechoukage… There is something I hate about haitian… Their stupid way to be proud of dechouker their fellowmen..

We really have to be scoundrels to plubicize dechoukage as a human value… Yes there are thousand of reasons to be ashamed of this country.



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Gan de le mwin ekri yon tex epi mwin li reponss yo .Mwin onetman mande tett mwin si mwin menm ak intevenan an pale menm langue menm langaj pataje menm killti.Sepa posib .Yon moun ekri yon tex epi yon lot moun repon pou li ekri sa li vlejan li vle ki pagan anyen pou li we ak tex la .Epi gan lot moun ki panse ke kondwit sa a aksetab onon de la "demon krass i"
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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 11:27

There was a time when we were not ashamed to be haitian.I remember how proud I was as a 11 year old boy when President magloire came to Cap-haitien to commemorate the battle of Vertieres in 1951 or 1952.During the ceremony some Military officers reenacted the moment when Capois said:Les boulets sont de la poussière a la butte Charier."We were singing."Enfants de la meme patrie, marchons unis."We were so proud.We were poor ,of course ,but at that time we still have our dignity.

When did we begin to loose our dignity?Those who are defending the era of darkness in our history must answer this question.The dechoukaj didn't happen in a vacum.Yes we must fight to stop it.But when one reads the history of haiti one realizes the poor people of haiti don't have anything to do with this phenomenon.It is the so called "elite " which is reponsible for this shame that we're enduring today.These are the people that President Magloire called "Les eternels mecontents".They are the worms that must be destroyed for the country to regain its prestige.There must be a cultural revolution in haiti in order for the masses to be educated;received health care,food, housing,potable water, jobs,electricity, justice etc.

We must put our priorities in order.We must face our challenges.We must evaluate honestly our resources and plan to solve the most urgent needs of the people.We can not waste our money in paying a bunch of bureaucrats to imitate the political and administrative structures of other countries to satisfy a myth.What are our needs right now?The next government must allocate the resources of the country to solve the cholera epidemy by providing potable water to all haitians.It must provide housing for the people who are living in the refugee camps.It must control the birth rate in the country.It must educate the young people.when I said educate I don't mean to teach them just to read and write french or kreyol.It must invest in agriculture to provide enough food to the population.It must provide an income to every haitian who is able to work.Why in a country that has so much to be done there are so many unemployed people?The next government must answer this question.

it is time we concentrate on these problemes.It is futile to have all these ministers and they can not do anything.Our resources must be used to solve our problems not to pay a bunch of useless bureaucrates ,grand manjè.
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Ashamed!!! Yes, but not to the extend you've suggested. We're ashamed of the so-called intelectual members of the society
who have intentionnaly led the country down this path. Those who do and should know better, who do not have a backbone. Those thieves who have raped our mothers and fathers and plundered the nation's coffer. Yet, we stand proud of the Haitian people who refuses to give up and give in. Endividi sa yo gen pou yo jwenn sa yo merite!!! Long live the spirit and the people of Haiti. The struggle continues. " As we are confident of the victory of good over evil"
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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 18:22

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We're ashamed of the so-called intelectual members of the society who have intentionnaly led the country down this path
This is a bit confusing when you called the haitian elite ''intellectual''. First of all, you have very few intellectuals in Haiti. The reason is that most haitian intellectuals are living outside Haiti. It is commonly accepted that the elite in Haiti is made up of intellectuals. But that is not true. This is simply misleading and is a clear misuse of language that is detrimental to the haitian people.. The elite, you are referring to is beyond no reasonable doubt educated.. that's it.

Second, if we can all agree that the aforementionned elite has ingested the nation wealth, they are not the only one. For a reason as yet unknown, the political elite has done severe damage to the country by creating for centuries political helter-skelter.. When looking at the facts, we need to bear in mind that, in this tragedy the US has played a major role in the crumbling of the haitian state. We are very focused on the elite, but when putting things into perspective, it is obvious that the fondamental cause of our misfortune is political commotion triggered by the greed for power.

Haitian polital demagogues have always been eating off in the economic elite plate. Consequently, I would blame these political leaders thirsty for power who always whyning all over the place to gain acknowledment from the same raptorial elite..Duvalier is the champion of this behaviour.

This is really a shared responsability between the US, the haitian elite and the negroes.


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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 18:37

You missed some other culprits too ,and you know very well who they are.They gave the first blow that crippled the country;have the courage to tell the truth.I agree that there are no true intellectuals in haiti or there are very few; for intelectual has the word intelligence as its root.Considering the way haiti has been managed for the two centuries of its independance can one say there are really some intelligent people among the politicians?Very few.Dumarsais estime was an intelctual;paul magloire was an intelectual who understood the priorities of the country.But from 1957 to today this country has not been governed by intelligent people.

From time to time I read that the super Ministers of the Jean claude Duvalier government were la crème de la crème of the haitian intelligentsia.If that is the case then we better vote for Lady gaga.


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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 19:14

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You talking about the French government.. Yes indeed, King Charles X made a proposition that Boyer could have refused. You know I have been vocal about that extortion. I have coined it ''l'indu'' instead of independance debt. I can't agree more that the French government back in 1825 has crippled the haitian economy. This is an undisputable fact. I have no problem ascertaining the truth.. That the haitian bank was a subsidiary of a French Bank for a lot of years.. see Un siècle de relations financières entre Haïti et la France (1825-1922) par François Blancpain

If the indu can be a tantalizing thoery to assess the failure of the haitian state, I think it is haphazard to draw a rash conclusion on what is currently going on in Haiti and the French rip off..A lot of water has gone under the bridge.. we need to look at the current situation.. We can no longer reflect on the past to justify our misfortune.. we are barred from scrutinizing the past so as to mitigate our personal responsability.

Sorry, I am really concerned by our behaviours.. The French extortion can no longer be a defence.. It is high time we get over it and burry the bad feelings.




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I expect more from you .How can you affirm that the 100 years we spent paying the debt have no effect on our present conditions.Added to slavery this extortion must be viewed as the most important act in the underdevelopment of haiti.Is there anywhere in the world where ignorant people are prosperous?How could the haitian governments form the cadre necessary for the development of haiti when the money the haitians were paying to france prevents to build schools and universities in the country?

I am not minimizing the role of the so called haitian "elite"in the mismanagement of the economy .But one must also recognize the true causes of this poverty.It was in 1947 that we paid the last installment of that extortion.The GNP of the country could not augment because we didn't have any money to invest in the means of production in the meantime the population was increasing at a rate superior to the growth of the economy;therefore what do you expect?

if the next government doesn't control the birth rate I predict famine in haiti in the next ten years.
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MessageSujet: Re: never in my life have i been so ashamed!   never in my life have i been so ashamed! EmptySam 19 Fév 2011 - 20:37

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I expect more from you .How can you affirm that the 100 years we spent paying the debt have no effect on our present conditions.Added to slavery this extortion must be viewed as the most important act in the underdevelopment of haiti.Is there anywhere in the world where ignorant people are prosperous?How could the haitian governments form the cadre necessary for the development of haiti when the money the haitians were paying to france prevents to build schools and universities in the country?

I am not minimizing the role of the so called haitian "elite"in the mismanagement of the economy .But one must also recognize the true causes of this poverty.It was in 1947 that we paid the last installment of that extortion.The GNP of the country could not augment because we didn't have any money to invest in the means of production in the meantime the population was increasing at a rate superior to the growth of the economy;therefore what do you expect?

if the next government doesn't control the birth rate I predict famine in haiti in the next ten years.

Well... Germany was made the only responsible of World War I. They were charged with a giant debt that they paid entirely from the end of the end of the war until october 10 2010

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/international/europe/200912/02/01-927278-lallemagne-eponge-sa-dette-heritee-de-1914-18.php
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What does that mean ?are you comparing Germany and haiti;a country founded by ignorant slaves who revolted against their oppressors who had prevented them to learn how to read during more than 2 centuries.To my knowledge the Germans are not ancient slaves;they have the means of production,the resources and the cadres to develop their country.

Les réparations ont finalement été annulées de fait avec le «moratoire Hoover» en 1932. Mais restait encore à l'Allemagne à rembourser les emprunts contractés pour leur paiement avant cette date.

Did they do the same thing for haiti?
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....are you comparing Germany and haiti;a country founded by ignorant slaves who revolted against their oppressors who had prevented them to learn how to read during more than 2 centuries.

La verite des congos qui veulent continuer a defigurer notre histoire : Mensonges !Mensonges !Mensonges !

Haiti etait formee de ...et de ...

Elle n'a pas ete creee par des esclaves qui ne savaient ni lire ni ecrire ..Voici l'handicap intellectuel qui affecte les nouveaux partisans du panzouisme historique ....
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Gros roseau.

There is a consensus on this subject. We all know that the payment effected by the haitian state to France has crippled the haitian economy. Having said that, the french alibi is no defence. The rationale of this argument is the haitian people could use this dodgy excuse to exempt themselves from their personal liability, Haiti is doomed to remain in the squalid alleys of disgrace and chaos.

Almost any country could go down in the annals of its history to find justifications for its wrongdoings. When a nation is always looking back in the rearview mirror of its past to explain the present…there is something wrong. There is nothing in our conscious mind that is about our future.. Every single bit of haitian thought is about Dessalines… Dessalines this... Dessalines mon cul. I am pragmatically observing that Dessalines does not pay my bills, we are probably paying his bills.

Take a look at Japan, China, Ghana. China sufferred from opium addiction and british imperialism. Look at China and Japan now.

I am saying it again.. The ''indu'' paid by the haitian government is no defence. We should clearly be barred from appealing to such everlasting alibi. Roseau, it is noteworthy that the fall of every civilisation has always been triggered by political reasons. The fundamental reason behind the fall of the romain empire was political. 26 leaders in 50 years. Political instability and dictatorship will always bring down any regime.

Haiti is no different from any other country. The Collapse of Haiti is fondamentally political. The lack of political leadership is responsible for the chaos.We are now facing a new era in the haitian political history. It's up to the people to vote for a leader. But the haitian people have always voted for political jerks. Do the French goverment has anything to do with the choice of leaderhip in Haiti.

If Haiti is so poor, it is mainly due to the ignorance of the haitian people and their leaders. The day we will grasp this simply fact.. May be we will change things and move toward a better future….For the time beeing let us continue our lovely styled dechoukaj, let us leave the children eating dirt, let us kidnap members of the diaspora, let us spend days criticizing Preval, Aristide, Duvalier ect... let us insult our opponents and let us blame the French.. We are all responsible for this helter skelter… We are no better than those we are hammering. But I don't want to be the one that will put the last nail in Hati Coffin, that is the reason I am trying to be sans parti-pris.. not always but most of the time… can be perfect sorry ...

My view is basic, we should leave out the question of ''independance debt'' to historian. It is high time we move on and burry our bad feelings and focused on our failures. It's all about us.. Should be about our liability…No more no less. When a french person wakes up in the morning, he does not think about Haiti or Boyer.. But Haitian spend an entirely life thinking about a debt contracted nearly 200 years. It does not make any sense.. Instead of using our energy finding new solutions to our problems we keep beating about the bush. The haitian have free themselves from the opressors.. But they are still remain slaves by their own device…

The haitian psyche is the problem..



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Reading your comment I wonder if you are aware that the Germans are paying the State of Israel for the work performed by the jews in the concentration camps.The Italians are paying the libyans for the occupation of their country.Why haitians must forget about what you called the "indu"? a payment for the independance of their country that they won in the battle fields with their blood?

I am not blaming the french only;You know how I despise the so called haitian"elite".But a honest analysis of the causes of this inuhumane conditions in which the haitians are living can not ignore the effects of this obligation of the haitian government toward France which crippled the development of the country for more than a centrury added to the three centuries of slavery.Repeat these conditions anywhere in the world you will obtain the same results.

You said that the ignorance of the haitians are responsible for their conditions I agree ;but tell me how could they be scienstists, doctors, lawyers, engineers, entreprenors,bankers when the payments of the debt prevent them to build schools ,hospitals, roads,ports, airports,and all the infrastructures needed to develop the country?Granted that the haitians could have done a lot more if the thieves were not siphoning the treasury to send the money in foreign banks .If the so called elite were producing goods and services to increase the GNP of the country instead of concentrating in the import-export trade.If they keep their money in haitian banks where it could be used to create other economic activites.The percentage of haitians who can obtain a loan from a bank in haiti is so small that it doesn't worth mentionning.How a country can develop itself when 80% of its population are living with less than 2 dollars a day whereas a "chen janbe" a small meal costs more than 3 dollars?Yet the new slaves owners refuse to increse the minimum wage .When a government voted a law to increase it ;these countries which are exploiting this form of salvery prefer to destabilize the country with their fifth column.

Yes haitian politicians are to blame also for their thirst for power ,but the underdevelopment of haiti has many causes that we should be honest to discuss among ourselves.In the final analysis there will be no solution to our problems if we can not enunciate them clearly.Yes the main cause of our proverty is ignorance,but who really is responsible for this ignorance?Why after two centuries of independance there is still this high rate of illiteracy in the country?Why after 12 years of schooling our children do not have the skills necessary to earn a living?Some of them can not even speak or write the official languages of the country correctly.
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again a digression!!!!!!! again a degeneration!!!!!
this thread was intended for people to express their shame and say what they are gonna do about it, not a history or political science lesson!
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I don't think my point of view is a disgression .To solve an equation you must be able to recognize the value of the variables.We are ashamed because haitians never had a true dialogue about the real causes of our proverty.Why are we so poor?This is the milion dollars question that we are tryng to solve.
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