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South-Africa is a beautiful country,
inhabited by a courageous, generous
and friendly people!



Canada, February 19, 2011


Ngiyabonga President Zuma

Ndiyabulela President Mbeki!


Dearest Gentlemen,


It is with a joyful heart that we send you this letter to express our most sincere thanks for the dignified manner in which, over the past seven years, both of you have offered to our native Haiti a solid, comforting and restful brotherly shoulder. This, you have done in your capacity as President of the Republic of South-Africa, during a much difficult season of our national life. Mèsi anpil! Ndiyabulela! Ngiyabonga! (kakhulu)!


As the year 2003 drew to an end, Haiti’s fragile democracy was attacked relentlessly by powerful international forces. The latter allied themselves with criminal elements of Haitian society with the goal of toppling the democratically-elected government, led by President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Hundreds of miles across the Atlantic Ocean, South-Africa rose to make its mighty presence felt by the side of a besieged sister nation. If your prompt and heroic intervention did not avert the February 29, 2004 Coup d’État, it nonetheless helped affirm, for our generation, important principles and practices of international solidarity and genuine brotherhood that our beloved pan-africanist ancestors Anténor Firmin, Marcus Garvey and Robert Sobukwe would have whole-heartedly applauded and encouraged.

It was with awe and great pride that we watched the friendly flag of South-Africa wave gracefully over the ship docked at Port-au-Prince harbor, on that windy December day of 2003.

President Thabo Mbeki, you had decided to disregard the hateful diatribes of the fearmongers. Boldly, with honor and respect, you came and celebrated with us, in Haiti, the 200th anniversary of our national independence which also marks a most crushing defeat suffered by state-sponsored and church-blessed racial slavery in the Americas.


Ayiti-Azania: A Common Struggle Against Absolute Evil




Ayiti, as the native Tainos people called her, is known as Africa’s first-born daughter in the Americas. She shares with Azania some characteristics which compel us to remain hopeful about the fate of humanity. A beacon of freedom during the era of the MAAFA , like Azania in our generation, Haiti was reborn from and for the struggle of good over absolute evil.



Starting with the 1444 Portuguese attacks against the coast of Africa and the Papal bull of 1452, absolute evil took the insidious form of racial slavery whereby millions of human beings were systematically kidnapped, uprooted, terrorized, thrown to sharks in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, enslaved and worked to death on countless plantations all over the Americas. While some who claimed to be the most enlightened of our species were merely paying lip service to the ideals of liberty, equality and human brotherhood, the wretched of the earth rose and led, by themselves, a genuine revolution against the evil (dis) order of the day. Indeed, the giant step Boukman, Cecile Fatiman, Toussaint L’ouverture, Jean-Jacques Dessalines and their comrades helped accomplish during those faithful years of revolution (1791-1803) represents a truly irreversible victory for humankind.


I Was Homeless and You Provided Me Shelter

Mindful that numerous Africans were still suffering in bondage in the Americas, barely days after the creation of the Republic of Haiti, founding father Jean-Jacques Dessalines published a decree, dated January 14, 1804, in which he announced devoting part of the new nation’s meager post-war budget to securing the emancipation of formerly enslaved human beings.

It is thus self-evident why, in 2004, revolutionary South-Africa celebrated the bicentennial of the Haitian Revolution, while others had decided that such celebration must be boycotted and sullied with a bloody coup d’état.

President Zuma, a year ago, during your visit to England you expressed gratitude toward those who had helped shelter you along with other leaders of the ANC, during those difficult years of exile. Speaking of the deep conviction held by elder Sisulu, yourself and the other comrades, you said you knew that ultimately "the power of the people was too powerful for a government to say you can't stay here". Indeed, even beneath the dusty rubbles of present day Haiti, the gracious spirit of Dessalines lives on. We find it extremely uplifting that Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe’s global pan-africanist spirit is also very much alive in the new South-Africa. We experienced its warm presence, in July 2010, as a tour guide at your Union Building in Tshwane was blooming with pride recounting the dignified reception the Presidency of his country had reserved to the deposed leader of Haiti, as he set foot on Azanian soil with his wife and two small daughters. The great risks and sacrifices that the Republic of South-Africa and its leaders have voluntarily shouldered for the benefit of their Haitian brothers and sisters are sincerely appreciated. We take this opportunity to congratulate and encourage you also for the bold and productive efforts you have recently multiplied to help our brothers and sisters in Côte d’Ivoire attain a peaceful and sustainable resolution of the conflict which is affecting their beautiful country. Your able leadership is duly noticed and appreciated!



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Smiling through the gate - The above picture of an enlarged 1960s photograph was taken on July 14, 2010 at the family house of Elders Rolihlahla Mandela and Winnie Madikizela in Soweto. As we admired these innocent smiles (courtesy of the beautiful daughters of Madiba), we could not help but make the parallel with young Michaelle and Marie-Christine Aristide who, although offered the blessed opportunity to be with their parents, in a nice physical surrounding, are made to live as “free prisoners” because of the international violence which threatens the lives of their too politically active, too black and too socially-conscious parents.



Honouring an Old and Noble Tradition

Today, President Aristide and his family prepare to leave Azania to return to Ayiti, where this couple of experienced scholars vow to contribute positively to a much-needed revival of their country’s education system. The sincere thanks we address to you President Zuma and to you President Mbeki, are not due to the shared African ancestry which binds us genetically nor is it, merely, for the common experience that our two nations share in over 500 years of struggle against white supremacist violence. Rather, we do so in keeping with an age-old Haitian tradition of paying due gratitude and homage to those who, regardless of race, creed or color, have stood firm and constant in the revolutionary fight against injustice and barbarism, any and everywhere.

Back in the 1800s, while so-called “white liberals” in the Americas and Europe were paying lip service to the cause of human brotherhood and universal freedom, with “la société des amis des Noirs” agitating for an extra day of rest for the millions of enslaved Africans, there stood in the United States of North-America, a beautiful human soul named John Brown who, contrarily to the self-styled “liberals”, had refused to advocate for “slavery light”. Rather, Brown took up arms, joined his African brothers and demanded that racial slavery - the absolute evil - be immediately and forever eradicated from the face of earth. As you know, the Haitian Revolution inspired several armed rebellions in the slave states of the U.S. Gabriel Prosser (1800), Denmark Vesey (1822) and Nat Turner (1831), led rebellions involving thousands of enslaved Africans. When, in October 1859, the U.S. Government crushed John Brown’s attempt to seize the arsenal and armory at Harpers Ferry, Haiti shared the pain of millions. History records that, following Brown’s December 2, 1859 hanging, Haiti went to great lengths to express her gratitude to this sincere revolutionary leader who was willing to shed away white privilege and commit race and class suicide for the benefit of humanity. During three days of national mourning for John Brown's execution, flags in Port-au-Prince were flown at half mast. A solemn mass was held in the cathedral, with the active participation of President Fabre Nicholas Geffard. It is also then that the main boulevard of Port-au-Prince was named Avenue John Brown. The Revue de Commerce which declared "the death of John Brown to be a crime against humanity” wrote “while waiting the happy day of the regeneration of our enslaved brethren, let us raise in our hearts our altar to John Brown, the immortal benefactor of our race, the holy victim of our cause, and let us adopt, as our sister and friend, his worthy and unfortunate widow”. Indeed, all over the island, collections were made and subscriptions started in behalf of the widow of John Brown. They collected twenty thousand dollars for Brown's family.

Thus, spoke and acted the grateful sons and daughters of Jean-Jacques Dessalines, in 1859.

Lè ou wè vye zo nan chimen, konnen li te gen chè sou li yon jou” - when you see old bone by the road, be mindful that it had once carried flesh and muscles says the Haitian proverb.



iNingizimu Afrika lizwe elimangalisayo!

Its glorious past notwithstanding, today, Haiti is known for the endemic poverty which deprives the majority of her people of the opportunity to lead normal, happy and productive lives. It is a disturbing fact that abject poverty has reached in Haiti depths that are simply unacceptable in our modern age. Like racial slavery and apartheid, abject poverty is an absolute evil whose eradication shall require of us bold and decisive acts of international brotherhood and genuine solidarity.

Poverty is unfortunately, a current and global phenomenon. We have seen how you are valiantly struggling against it in South-Africa. We have been to the impoverished communities near Johannesburg and Cape Town. Dreadful as we found these realities which you are still facing, we came away, nonetheless, with the overall assessment that South-Africa is today a place of tremendous hope and rising aspirations. More so than the good quality of your national road network or the impressive infrastructure of your major cities and of your institutions of higher learning, the beautiful images and sounds that remain with us from our July 2010 experience are those of these bright, multilingual, young men and women whom we met in Durban (at the University of Kwazulu Natal), in Johannesburg and in Cape Town; the professional radio journalists we heard commentating the World Cup games; the citizens calling in to express their well-articulated opinions on the thorny issue of illegal immigration, the multi-racial volunteer health-care workers we interviewed as they were providing AIDS prevention education in Cape Town etc... Indeed, you are a proud and determined people engaged on a historical path to greatness. Yes, iNingizimu Afrika lizwe elimangalisayo! South-Africa is a beautiful country, inhabited by a beautiful, courageous, generous and friendly people.

Surely, the seven years our beloved former president spent among you represent a two-way educational experience of immense value for both peoples. Today, after years of knowledge-sharing among their South-African brethren, Dr. Jean-Bertrand Aristide and Mrs. Mildred T. Aristide are heading home. To no small extent, gentlemen, this great achievement will come to pass because of your efforts. You have demonstrated exemplary vision and courage by welcoming Haiti's exiled former President in your country where, based on all accounts, he and his family have been treated with due respect and brotherly care. Now, as you work out important details of protocol and security with the Government of Haiti, we feel obligated to bring to your attention the disturbing presence on Haitian soil of notorious convicted criminals who took an active part in the murderous 2004 coup d'état. These men walk the streets of Haiti without a care in the world, seemingly benefiting the support of powerful international forces. Many have already raised their voices to demand that the Government of Haiti deploy every effort necessary to guarantee the safe accommodation of Haiti's former President and his family, in full accordance with the requirements of the Haitian Constitution.


Beware the Prophets of Doom!

No doubt, as you receive this letter, you would have also been made aware of a strange collection of modern-day missionaries who are busy spewing out prophesies of gloom and doom in certain North-American and European publications that are known to be hostile to president Aristide's return home. The hateful messages of these naysayers is nothing new or out-of-character. They know all too well why "this return" represents a major blow to the face of white supremacist racism and a serious defeat of global banditry. Indeed, in December 1859, while the multitude mourned the passing of a great human being, there were strange folks who met the killing of John Brown with celebration. Back then, the famous European writer, Victor Hugo wrote a thoughtful letter of condolences and sympathy, addressed specifically to the People of Hayti, in which he stated: “ I have been sadly deceived in that fraternity of races, the Southern States of the American Union. In killing Brown, they have committed a crime which will take its place among the calamities of history”. Thankfully, from 1859 to 2011, remarkable progress has been accomplished on our little planet to create this genuine fraternity of races that Hugo dreamt about. Although said fraternity is dealing with growing pains, we may, for intance, proudly celebrate that Victor Hugo’s visionnary attitude can find its match in that of contemporary European writer Claude Ribbe, in the writings of Professor Michel Chossudovsky or those of Danny Glover, Naomy Klein, Noam Chomsky, Randall Robinson or those of the beloved and unforgettable John Maxwell, who still speaks so powerfully from the other side of life, in sharp denunciation of the bicenntenial coup d’état and continued exile of Haiti’s democratically-elected President.


Let us Put Sciences and Technology to the Service of Humanity

In closing, Brothers Zuma and Mbeki, allow us to say that, much beyond its formidable power of symbolism, we dare dream that President Aristide's return shall also signal the dawn of a new era of enhanced cooperation between Haiti and South-Africa. Many are we who long to see full diplomatic relations established between our two nations, with an active and vibrant Haitian Embassy in Tshwane (Pretoria) and a dynamic South-African High Commission in Port-au-Prince. South-Africa today can proudly boast of hosting 8 of the 10 highest ranked universities of the African continent, with the University of Cape Town, the University of Pretoria and Stellenbosh toping the list. It is crucial that these two revolutionary countries engage in fruitful, mutually beneficial cooperation; especially, in the fields of applied Sciences and Technology. Brother Presidents, I am sure you both agree, the African Renaissance must know absolutely no borders, be they man-made or otherwise!

Indeed, depi nan Ginen bon Nèg ap ede Nèg! Brotherhood is as ancient as motherland Africa.


Ayibobo! Amandla!



Jafrikayiti (Jean Saint-Vil) and Darlène Lozis, Ottawa, Canada.


N.B. : We take this opportunity to salute the tireless Mother of the Nation, Winnie Madikizela, and we send our best wishes of happiness and prompt recovery to our beloved Madiba.


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I am also grateful for this spirit of brotherhood demonstrated by President M'beki in receiving with such grace and dignity our borther and sisters ,Dr jean Bertrand Aristide , his wife and their two daughters .This gesture will remain eternally in the minds of true haitians and will solidify the bounds that tie the two countries.

Jaf ,congratulations for expressing our gratitude toward the people of South Africa.We will remember the great people fo South Africa and their leaders.We say :Thank you from the bottom of our hearts.Mèsi anpil .


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A simple suggestion! Please attach a copy of Bernard Gousse's articl eto that beautiful letter so the vaillant people of SA could appreciate who they had hidden among them! Not a democrat but a vicious dictator from ancient times!


https://www.forumhaiti.com/t10864-les-meurtrissures-de-la-constitution-de-1987-par-jean-bertrand-aristide#88550


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Who the hell is Bernard Gousse. Isn't he the Minister of justice who arrested and jailed the Senators because they were speaking in :"Radio caraibes"? Bernard Goussse can not call Jean Bertrand Aristide a dictator.Come on people; you are not funny anymore.It is time to drop the curtain ;your comedians don't have any talent.

We do not ask any zenglendo to appreciate the good hearted gesture of the people of South Africa and their leaders.Some gestures of solidarity can not be appreciated by those who hate their origin ,this is obvious.I am surprised they didn't write a similar letter to jacques chirac and the people of France for giving shelter to jean Clown Duvalier,his wife Michele benett, the haitian marie Antoinette and their children.
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Who the hell is Bernard Gousse. Isn't he the Minister of justice who arrested and jailed the Senators because they were speaking in :"Radio caraibes"? Bernard Goussse can not call Jean Bertrand Aristide a dictator.Come on people; you are not funny anymore.It is time to drop the curtain ;your comedians don't have any talent.

We do not ask any zenglendo to appreciate the good hearted gesture of the people of South Africa and their leaders.Some gestures of solidarity can not be appreciated by those who hate their origin ,this is obvious.I am surprised they didn't write a similar letter to jacques chirac and the people of France for giving shelter to jean Clown Duvalier,his wife Michele benett, the haitian marie Antoinette and their children.

Se pa who the hell is Bernard Gousse non pou di. Sa pou mande se eske sa li di se sa ou pa, paske tout sa li di yo chita sou konstitisyon peyi ya, e tout sa li di ke Aristide fè yo, te fèt tout bon.

Si Bernard Gousse ta komèt menm krim ke lap repwoche Aristide yo, e byen lap merite jije menm jan ak li. Men afè pou nap eseye minimize sa on moun di paske li menm ou on lot te fè menm krim lan pa kenbe, mwen pa konpwan lojik sa di tou. Ou fè on bagay ilegal e pi pou jistifye tèt ou wap vini di'm intèl te fèl tou. Aloske ou konen plis ke sa, paske kote wap viv la, kote'w sitwayen aktyelman, ou konen byen ou pa ka parèt ak on defans konsa. Li lè pou nou sispann ak demagoji sa yo, pou nou wè si peyi a soti kote li ye ya e mache on rejim de dwa, dwa pou tout moun kelkeswa otè
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Mwen panse MARC dwe pran dezisyon ki nesesè pou anpanche Jaf kontinye ap ekri konsa sou NOM toutt Ayisien...

Bagay sa a koumanse enève mwen....
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Mwen deja di ke mwen kont tout delenkan ke li genyen blouz doktè, rob pret, bonnè boulanje, ou byen toch avoka sou li.men se yon selman bagay nanpren moun ki ap banm zannanan pou Suzann.Kite Aristide rantre epi rele l la jisits pouli defann tet li devan yon jiry enpatyal.Map repetel ankò Bernard gousse pa ka rele Aristide diktatè paske si se li ki te nan plas Aristide Duvalier tap yon ti anfan de kè devan l.Se pa sa moun di ki dwe kondane yon moun se lè la jistis kondane l ke nou dwe mete etiket sou li.

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marc anpeche w ekri radot w yo? poukisa ou vle pou li anpeche jaf eksprime remErsimanl e rekonesans li pou pep Sud afriken ak presidan M.Beki ki te soti jis an FRIK DI SID POU L VINN FETE BISANTNE ENDEPANDANS NOU. NOU FOUT ENGRA.
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Pafwa m ap mande m si COLO pa p jwe a ""l'agent provocateur"".
Lan ki sans pou sa JAF ta ekri ta angaje pèp ayisyen an ?
Mwen konn wè ke gen nèg sou sit sa a konn ap voye LA FRANS monte .Lè mwen li de bagay konsa TANSYON m konn monte m ;èske JAF konn di sa angaje pèp ayisyen an?

Moun ki ap di ke GOUSSE te di sesi ,li te di sela.Lè pawòl lib retounen ann AYITI, GOUSSE genyen pou l reponn de sa k te pase sou rejim enterimè an.
COHA te kalifye GOUSSE de NAZI ki koupab de krim kont imanite.
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Onè konpatriyòt,

Mèsi pou mo ankourajman yo Wozo ak Joel.

Dilibon ak Cocolo ak Maximo, mwen pa etone wè se konsa nou reyaji. Dotanplis mwen esplike nan tèks la kijan gen tout kalite "misyonè tan modèn" ki santi se responsablite yo pou yo fè menm travay ansyen misyonè yote konnap fè a.

Mwen nan yon ti vil ki rele Prince George, BC, kote m ap pataje moso listwa ak yon latriye moun (Nèg tankou Blan) ki enterese konnen epi konprann listwa pèp nou an.

http://www.cnc.bc.ca/tools/events/pdfs/47390Black%20history%20main%20event.pdf

Moun sa yo pa pè koze yo abitye tande map soulve yo. Tankou John Brown, tankou Dessalines,se moun ki kase tout chenn mantal.

Si nou wè mwen pa patisipe anpil nan chenn diskisyon sa a,sepaske mwen antòtye nan travay sa a,ki se fason ki pi lojik pou mwen ede lakay nan moman an.

Respè!

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Kontinye mete verite sou tanbou edike nou pou nou ka konnen sa ki zanmi e sa ki lenmi nou.Pa koute sa mal palan, medizan yo ap di.kontinye fè travay w.
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Kontinye mete verite sou tanbou edike nou pou nou ka konnen sa ki zanmi e sa ki lenmi nou.Pa koute sa mal palan, medizan yo ap di.kontinye fè travay w.

Se menmman parèyman pou jenn gason tankou JAF yo.

Pou KAMI ki te vle pran m abò lan lòt diskisyon ki vewouye an.
Non masak AFRIKEN pa EWOPEYEN ou byen masak EWOPEYEN pa EWOPEYEN pa eskize masak AFRIKEN pa AFRIKEN.Mwen okouran de tousa zòt ap di yo ;men pa vin di m ke nèg prefere EWOPEYEN paske AFRIKEN ap masakre AFRIKEN.

Mwen menm m ap di ,ke si n ap gade istwa EWOPEYEN yo konpare ak istwa AFRIKEN yo ;EWOPEYEN YO FÈ PI MAL KE AFRIKEN YO.

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E se la verité. se sak fè menm Francois Duvalier te di:"les civilisés,c'est nous."Paske li te di yo nou pa genyen otorite morale ase pou nou vinn banm leson.nan pwen saa li te genyen rezon menm si li te fè twop mal.Mwen nanpren oken blan mannan ki pou dim ras ou etni blan yo pi sivilise ke afriken yo.se fout manti.yo pa fouti demanti listwa.
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jafrikayiti a écrit:
Onè konpatriyòt,

Mèsi pou mo ankourajman yo Wozo ak Joel.

Dilibon ak Cocolo ak Maximo, mwen pa etone wè se konsa nou reyaji. Dotanplis mwen esplike nan tèks la kijan gen tout kalite "misyonè tan modèn" ki santi se responsablite yo pou yo fè menm travay ansyen misyonè yote konnap fè a.

Mwen nan yon ti vil ki rele Prince George, BC, kote m ap pataje moso listwa ak yon latriye moun (Nèg tankou Blan) ki enterese konnen epi konprann listwa pèp nou an.

http://www.cnc.bc.ca/tools/events/pdfs/47390Black%20history%20main%20event.pdf

Moun sa yo pa pè koze yo abitye tande map soulve yo. Tankou John Brown, tankou Dessalines,se moun ki kase tout chenn mantal.

Si nou wè mwen pa patisipe anpil nan chenn diskisyon sa a,sepaske mwen antòtye nan travay sa a,ki se fason ki pi lojik pou mwen ede lakay nan moman an.

Respè!

Jaf

Rete gade de koze mezanmi! JAF epa ou soti pou w banm BAF nan youn moman kote mwen te vle ede w menm nan travay sa'a kise fe konnen tout listwa nou, pa ti moso jan wozo konn abitye fe.

Mwen pat kwe ke ou se neg ki genyen karakte koupye bourik ki tap ap fe pwomosyon, apoloji oyun neg san bay les deux cotes de l'homme. Mwen jwenn atik sa'a ki bay selon la constitution zak makab li te fe nan peyi a, mwen te pense, an tan ke neg enteg, onet, ekilibre, san patipri ke ou tap atashe ti atik sa'a ak let remesiman w nan!

Men olye ou dim mesi se fashe ou fashe! Ekzkize mwen se oyun listwa youn sel bo wap fe, se pwomosyon Tutude, tipepism wap fe, SORRY!
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I would like to bring to your attention the fact that I updated the text to include some of the direct internet links where you can find documents referenced in the letter addressed to Presidents Zuma and M'beki.

These include an actual 1860 entry of the NY Times for VICTOR HUGO's correspondance with Hayti, on the occasion of the hanging of John Brown

Victor Hugo wrote a thoughtful letter

Citation :
ADDRESS OF VICTOR HUGO--CONTINUATION OF THE JOHN BROWN EXCITEMENT.
Published: March 3, 1860

Files from Hayti to Feb. 15 are at hand. The excitement growing out of the reception of the news of the execution of JOHN BROWN continued unabated.

The journals contain the following letter from VICTOR HUGO, which he had written in response to a communication addressed him by three citizens of Hayti, in Paris:

HAUTEVIILE HOUSE, ISLE OF GUERNSEY, Dec. 28, 1859.

CITIZENS OF THE REPUBLIC: I thank you for the eloquent terms in which you have addressed me. Your words reach my heart.

A white and a black Republic are sisters, the same as a white and black man are brothers. There is only one humanity, because there is only one God.

The French Republic had negroes among the representatives of its people; and that is the one thing that made it above all glorious.

I have been sadly deceived in that fraternity of races, the Southern States of the American Union. In killing BROWN they have committed a crime which will take place among the calamities of history. The rupture of the Union will fatally follow the assassination of BROWN.

What an event! What a disaster!

I am afflicted at heart in thinking of this crime and this fault.

As to JOHN BROWN, he was an apostle and a hero. The gibbet has only increased his glory and made him a martyr.

Black and white, all brothers, all equal, let us rally more and more around that principle of all principles -- Liberty. Your friend, VICTOR HUGO.

I love your Republic. Let your people know it.

In Jacmel, Gonaives, Cape Haytien, Cayes and Port-au-Prince, religious services had been held in commemoration of JOHN BROWN, and Le Progress published appeals calling on the people to subscribe liberally for the benefit of the widow of the executed man.

Le Progress also contains an address to the "Philanthropists of America," in which special allusion is made to Albany, N.Y., in the following terms:

"Citizens of Albany, the cannon you fired to commemcrate the death of JOHN BROWN has reechoed in the hearts of Haytians and of the strangers in our land, and reverberates through our fields and cities. Your energetic protest against an act of barbarity does you the greatest honor, as it evidently proves that there exist in the American Republic courageous men devoted-to the holy cause of the freedom of the blacks. Receive, then, the sincere thanks of the citizens of the Republic of Hayti -- a Republic that its enemies on another continent represent as always in ruin. Albanians, the Haytians are without prejudice: they receive without hesitation all who come to join them. It is by our conduct, and by that alone, that you can find arguments capable of refuting the assertions of those enemies of humanity who decry us."

See also, the original french correspondance from a text penned by historian Leon-François Hoffmann:
Victor Hugo, John Brown et les Haïtiens, Publication initiale dans Nineteenth-Century French Studies, n°16, 1-2, 1987-1988, p. 47-58
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Mesie, se pou nou konpran ke nou pap kapab mache lage videyo ak foto nounm nou an tout kote sou fowum nan....

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pouki ou pat di menm bagay la tou lè yo te mete foto JCD sou forum lan?
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Le gros roseau a écrit:
pouki ou pat di menm bagay la tou lè yo te mete foto JCD sou forum lan?

Je sais que vous etes solidaire dans le desordre...

Point besoin de vous faire remarquer....
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MessageSujet: Re: Haitians Say Ngiyabonga (Thank You) South-Africa!   Haitians Say Ngiyabonga (Thank You) South-Africa! EmptyJeu 17 Mar 2011 - 23:15

Qu'entendez-vous par desordre?Est-ce le desordre quand JCD retourna en haiti?Jean Bertrand aristide n'est-il pas un citoyen haitien auquel la Constitution haitienne garantit le droit de vivre dans son pays?Quand la justice l'a-t-il condamné au bannissement?JER avait raison de dire :la formation des jeunes agronomes haitiens laisse beaucoup à desirer.C'est incroyable.


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Le gros roseau a écrit:
Qu'entendez-vous par desordre?Est-ce le desordre quand JCD retourna en haiti?Jean Bertrand aristide n'est-il pas un citoyen haitien auquel la Constitution haitienne garantit le droit de vivre dans son pays?Quand la justice l'a-t-il condamné au bannissement?

Concernant JCD, vous devrez vous addresser à Mr Deza...

Merci de votre attention!!!
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La définition de "désordre" est dimple - il s'agit de tout geste, toute déclaration n'ayant pas reçcu la bénédiction du "blan". Donc, les esclaves mentaux craignent que l'Africain ne viennent déranger le (des) ordre établit par le Maitre.

Ils ont peur qu'on inflige une punition collective à cause de ce "negro" indocile

insi réagissaient les lâches lorsque Toussaint défiait les colons. Ainsi certains ont aussi réagit contre la détemination de Dessalines ou de Dumarsais Estimé et Daniel Fignolé. Ils vivent constamment dans la peur de ce que dira le "maitre".

BRISEZ les chaines frères! vous êtes libres!

Un frère est revenu chez lui grâce ou courage de Jacob Zuma, Thabo Mbeki, Danny Glover, Amy Goodman et sourtou à cause des sacrifices énormes consetis par nos héros de Cité Soleil, de Bélair, de Kafoufèy.

Onè-respèe pou Lovensky Poerre-Antoine, Gérard Jean-Juste et tous les anonymes qui sont tombés sous les balles assassines de la MINUSTAH et des paramilitaires depuis la nuit infâme du 29 février 2004.

Nous vous faisons remarquer que le discours du l'ancien Président haitien débuta avec "Onè-respè" et pris fin avec le mot "AMOUR"


Wi, frè m ak sè m yo annou aprann RENMEN tèt nou, renmen sa nou ye a AYISYEN. Annou renmen lide pou nou viv nan DIYITE - menm jan frèe ak sèe Afrikdisid yo trete nou kom fanmi yo ki nan pwoblèm jounen jodi a. Men yo pa imilye nou, yo pa sakrifye nou, yo mache ak nou. Menm jan Titid di a, se pa paske Manman nou nan mizè jodi a pou nou wont li, pou nou sispann renmen li....okontrè, se lè sa a pou nou miltipliye lanmou nan kay la.


Mwen voye yon bouke flè woz pou tou nègès Ayisyèn ki viv bèl jou fèt sa a. Lakay se Lakay...même amour!

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