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 Aristide est le véritable gagnant des élections du 20 mars

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Comment is free Cif America Michel Martelly, Aristide's weak imitator'Sweet Micky' Martelly is tipped to win a presidential vote the majority of Haitians boycotted. Aristide's return is the real story
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Former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide greets followers on his to his home in Port-au-Prince on 18 March. Photograph: Andr S Mart Nez Casares/EPA Former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide was the real winner of Haiti's 20 March presidential and deputy runoffs as the majority of Haiti's 4.7m voters shunned choosing between a vulgar pro-coup konpa musician, Michel "Sweet Micky" Martelly, and a professorial former First Lady, Mirlande Manigat, for president. Both candidates share rightwing histories (supporting the 1991 and 2004 coups d'état against Aristide) and programmes (most tellingly, reactivation of the Haitian army, which Aristide demobilised in 1995).

Most polling stations had only light turn-out. Any voting lines observed around the capital, Port-au-Prince, and its tent-strewn suburbs were due to administrative delays and irregularities (which were widespread), including a lack of ballots, finger-marking ink or poll workers. One station had ballots for a 2009 senate race delivered. Some polls opened up to four hours late.

Our random sampling of final vote tallies at four polling stations (each composed of several "voting bureaus") in Cité Soleil, Delmas and Lalue revealed that only 17.7% of their registered voters turned out to vote. That participation rate is well below the almost 23% rate of the dramatically flawed 28 November first round, which already marked a record low for Haiti, and all Latin America, since such record-keeping began over 60 years ago.

An OAS poll observer said that turnout in Arcahaie and Cabaret, two rural towns north of the capital, was only about 25%. The random samples showed Martelly leading Manigat by about three to one. The elections took place despite the fact that the Provisional Electoral Council (CEP) never voted to authorise a second round. This illegality was "one of our concerns", OAS/Caricom observer team chief Colin Granderson told journalists the evening before the election. That "concern" about the law didn't stop the election though.

In a 21 March press conference, Granderson acknowledged the low turnout, admitting that the "final numbers were a bit disappointing." The CEP will not announce final results until 16 April.

Aristide landed in Haiti from a seven-year exile in South Africa aboard a small government jet from that country at 9.10am on 18 March. He was met first by scores of elbowing journalists on the tarmac, and then greeted on his two-mile drive home to Tabarre by tens of thousands of Haitians, who descended on the airport as the news of his arrival – preceded by many false alarms – spread like wildfire through the capital region.

In his arrival speech, Aristide did not directly criticise the illegal elections, as the US and French governments (which had spearheaded the 2004 coup against him) had feared, causing them to work hard at blocking his return. (Despite crises in Japan and the Middle East, President Barack Obama made two phone calls to his South African counterpart Jacob Zuma in an unsuccessful effort to have the flight that carried Aristide cancelled.) Instead, Aristide simply observed that "the problem is exclusion, the solution is inclusion." The CEP had arbitrarily barred Aristide's Fanmi Lavalas party from the election in November 2009, two months before the 12 January earthquake.

"The exclusion of the Lavalas Family is exclusion of the majority," Aristide continued in Kreyòl. "Exclusion of the majority is exactly like cutting off the branch that we are all sitting on."

The Haitian people got the message loud and clear, although many of the young people who flooded into the Aristides' courtyard, scaling the compound's walls and climbing onto the only partially repaired house's roof proclaimed that they would vote "tèt kale", a reference to Martelly's bald head. However, others in the crowd often interrupted them, saying "there was no first round, so there can be no second round," a slogan devised by boycotting Lavalas base organisations and embraced by 10 of the 17 other jilted presidential candidates.

"Very few are participating in this selection today," said Wilson St Val, a former member of Aristide's presidential security unit, standing in front of a Cité Soleil voting station guarded by UN troops and tanks on election day:

"There is minimal participation in all the popular neighbourhoods because they are Lavalas bastions. The foreigners thought Aristide would disrupt the mascarade, but he didn't. He and we are letting them do their thing, but we are still here, watching."

Martelly has seduced parts of Aristide's urban poor base with intermittent populist and nationalist posturing, an irreverent stage persona and a well-financed, professionally-run campaign, which climaxed with a star-studded concert (including Wyclef Jean and Prad of the Fugees) on the Champ de Mars, complete with confetti, smoke machines, fire-works and a bone-vibrating sound system. If that is not enough, Martelly has also borrowed a trick from François "Papa Doc" Duvalier, the cagey dictator who won a 1957 election and then rigged a 1964 referendum to make himself "president for life" until his death in 1971. To consolidate his ruthless power, Duvalier formed the Volunteers for National Security (VSN), more commonly known as the Tonton Macoutes. Every Macoute received a card that afforded him many privileges, like free merchandise from any store he entered, entitlement to coerced sex, and fear and respect from people in general.

This system, which hoisted many a poor devil from low station to high, may have inspired a 21st-century variant. For $30, before the election, potential voters could join the Base Michel Joseph Martelly (BMJM)) and invest in a pink plastic membership card, with photo, which promises many advantages (such as a job, say) when the Martelly administration comes to power. The move ensures prepaid voter participation and an esprit de corps among the loyal.

"I'm proud to carry this card and to vote for tèt kale," said Dimitry Bellefleur, a "Classe 2" member who was attending a pro-Martelly committee meeting in Barbancourt II, an earthquake victim tent camp of 310 families pitched on a dusty strip of industrial wasteland wedged between an assembly factory and an NGO depot near the airport. These BMJM committees are boring into poor neighborhoods and eviction-threatened IDP camps around Haiti.

"Martelly has come with a populist message," St Val said. "Everybody can see that he is saying practically the same things you would hear coming from Aristide's mouth. Some organisations from the popular neighbourhoods are marching with him, but not many."

Martelly's successful populist pitch has been dented by yet another YouTube video, where he talks about Haiti's militant poor: "The Lavalas are so ugly. They smell like shit. Fuck you, Lavalas. Fuck you, Jean-Bertrand Aristide." When Martelly came to vote in Pétionville on election day, it briefly looked like a replay of 1990, when Aristide was first elected president. An ecstatic crowd massed on the sidewalks and hailed the candidate, chanting the same songs they did 20 years ago, just replacing "Titid" with "Micky".

But just beyond the crowd on which all cameras were trained, hundreds of people walked like ghosts among the tents still pitched on the Place St.Pierre, completely uninterested in the commotion 25 yards away. 1990 this definitely was not. Aristide summed it up when giving Amy Goodman and Sharif Abdel Kouddous of DemocracyNow! an interview in his home just hours after his return. He spoke of 1990 and of "sharing love with the people, loving them."

But, he continued, "they are so bright, if you are faking, pretending that you love them and using beautiful words, they will smell it, they will get it."
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Wouuuyyyyyy koulyè Tu tud refè yon vjinite, apre zot ki trepase, yo resisite l. Mwen konen yon Prevalyenn ki pa nan menm direksyon ak zanmi kanmarad li, ki kanpe an kwa kont DUK de TABARRE.
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On va voir vraiment s'il a gagne quand il sera dechouquer par le president Martelly de la maison de tabarre kidnape par l'ancien dictateur.
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Martelly's successful populist pitch has been dented by yet another YouTube video, where he talks about Haiti's militant poor: "The Lavalas are so ugly. They smell like shit. Fuck you, Lavalas. Fuck you, Jean-Bertrand Aristide."
It’s true that Martelly has said these despicable and impolite words toward a chef of state. And we have YouTube video to prove it. This is disgraceful and should not have been said from a potential chef of state.

However, to be fair, President Aristide said ugly and chilling quotation about the elite when he said:
Ala yon bel zouti papa se pe lebrun! Li bel li santi bon! Ba yo sa yo merite! Ba yo sa yo merite!

This is to tell his chimeres to go out there and kill. This is incitation to commit murder!
Martelly words did not kill anyone.


Aristide until now never said that is sorry for having said these ugly words. These words are here to stay and one day his daughters will ask him: Daddy, why you have said these gruesome words?

https://www.forumhaiti.com/t7366-le-fameux-discours-pe-lebrun-d-aristide-pour-ne-jamais-oublier
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/history/recent/lebrun.htm
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You may find some who deny that Aristide has made this speech. I was in Haiti at that time, and it was one of the most terrifying moments in Haiti's history.

Since when England was interested in Haiti's politics? Because of their former colony South Africa, OPED or Columnists can write whatever they want and think in a Newspaper, but that does not remove the bias nature of such article.

In the end, many arguments will be raised to make Aristide relevant. I my humble opinion, one can center all the debates toward Aristide, but they will not be enough to pull him out of his current irrelevancy. He will have to work hard for it, i.e rebuild his political party, forgive his dissents, prone unity in Lavalas by gathering all the fractions (from 1990 - to present).

If Aristide can do so, then he will be relevant otherwise he will be another forgotten leader living in Tabarre
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Pour comprendre les efforts pour le retour d'Aristide

L'arrivee au pouvoir d'un nouveau gouvernement Mirlande Manigat ou Michel Martelly met en danger les noms d'un reseau de profiteurs etrangers qui ont siffone des millions d'Haiti via la Banque Centrale, la Teleco et le Ministere des Finances pendant deux decennies.

L'audit d'un nouveau gouvernement est une menace pour eux. Ces dossiers doivent disparaitre. Ce sont eux qui sont derriere les manoeuvres du retour d'Aristide, Ron Daniel, Brian Concannon, Ira Kurzban, Burton Wides, Hazel Robinson, Randal Robinson. La seconde c'est l'espoir qu'avec la presence d'Aristide de monter une structure parallele de la reconstruction pour faire de l'argent.

Un ideologue comme Paul Farmer, assistant de Clinton est aussi dans le coup du retour. Avec son institution Partners in Health il a ramsse US$ 80 millions sur le dos d'Haiti apres le 12 Janvier et recoit pres de US$50 millions pour le SIDA en Haiti de l'USAID. Je ne parle pas des fonds de la reconstruction. Farmer a 100 fois plus d'argent que le Ministere de la Sante Publique. Pour trouver quelques noms de cette equipe et compendre cliquez les liens suivants:

1. http://www.haitipolicy.org/Lobbying7.htm
2. http://thekomisarscoop.com/tag/haiti/
3. http://solutionshaiti.blogspot.com/2008/08/aristides-american-profiteers-by-mary.html

Pour retourner en arriere et comprendre, nous sommes a Washington en 1992, la TELECO a US$80 millions sur son compte aux Etats Unis. Aristide obtenant l'acces a ce compte le partage avec des lobbystes pour facilier son retour. Dans ce processus il fait de mombreux millionaires avec ces 80 millions qui lui permet de retourner en Haiti. Dans ce processus un ancien depute noir americain Ron Daniel devient millionaire. Randall Robinson un leader de la communaute noire americaine devient millionaire aussi. Sa femme Hazel Robinson devient multimillionaire aussi. Elle est l'ancienne chef de cabinet du depute John Conyers. Brian Concannon, Ira Kurzban deviennent aussi riches sur le dos de notre peuple

De retour en Haiti en 1994 Aristide aide de son Directeur General de la TELECO Alphonse Inevil et le syndicat va saboter les equipements techniques de l'institution pour permettre a ces amis etrangers, sa femme, lui-meme et quelques proches de siffoner les millions que rapportaient l'institution. Dans un second temps d'autres institutions furent crees: FUSION TELECOM qui permettra a des operateurs politiques des Etats Unis de faire leur beurre. DIGITEC qui permettra a des memebres de sa famille s’enrichir. Comcel qui lui appartiendra dans un premier temps. UNIPLEX TELECOM TECHNOLOGIES qui apparetenait a ses amis mais qui aussi a permis a un ancien ambassadeur du Bresil en Haiti de devenir millionaire. MOUNT SALEM COMMUNICATIONS GROUP cree par Fred Beliard et relie a une compagnie Candienne appele GLOBO. TERRA COMMUNICATIONS GROUP/WECOM, IDT qui avait recu son contrat vis MOUNT SALEM Ces compagnies verseront a Aristide entre 5 et 12 centimes pour chaque minute de telephone. Plus tard ce sera la valse des compagnies de telephones mobile qui avec son aide rentreront sur le marche sans appel d'offre, sans cadre pour le developpement economique siffonant des citoyens des centaines de millions. Le proprietaire d'une de ces compagnies a declare recemment qu'il faisait tellement d'argent (millions) en Haiti qu'il avait honte. Aristide trasnfera ce secteur generatrice de revenus a un petit groupe d'etrangers kap byen mennen sou do nou. C'est un peu ce qui continue a travers la reconstruction ou les millions n'atterissent pas en Haiti.

Le nouveau gouvernement aura du pain sur la planche. Cette corruption risque de desequilibrer rapidement les nouveaux elus s'ils n'arrivent pas rapidement a prendre le taureau par les cornes.
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Maximo….. Videos… plus bas…

D'ou tu sors ces informations sur Randall Robinson. Je vais te dire, tu devrais te renseigner sur la personne de Randall Robinson. Juste pour le public, Randall Robinson a été traqué par la CIA car il avance un nombre de vérités qui ne plaisent pas aux Américains. Il a milité contre l'Arpatheid.. C'est un intellectuel noir américain respecté par la communauté noire. Il est vrai que Monsieur Randall combat l'impérialisme occidental, ce qui le rend sujet d'ailleurs sujet à toutes sortes d' attaques staliniennes. Crime Ultime de Randall, c'est d'avoir contesté le kidnapping d'Aristide…

Maximo, il faut que tu saches que les informations que tu as reprises sont erronées et ressemblent un peu aux techniques de propagande utilisées par les nazis…

Randall vit A Saint Kitts and Nevis que je connais très bien. J'ai des amis qui sont de Saint Kitts et qui connaissent bien la femme de Randell qui en est originaire. L'auteur de unbroken agony n'est pas richissisme comme tu le dis.. c'est ce qu'on appelle un media-mensonge. Va A Saint Kitts, une toute petite ile à deux pas de Saint Martin, quand tu reviendras, tu me diras si le Randell dont tu parles vit comme un millionnaire… J'espere que tu me dises si tu connais le compte de Randall pour affirmer ce genre d'accusations… Sur quoi tu te fondes? Quelles sont tes sources?

Je trouve le procédé qui consiste à accuser les gens et détruire la réputation d'honnêtes gens dégueulasse.

Selon un tout petit nombre d'haïtiens, dès que quelqu'un reconnait qu'il y a eu kidnapping d'Aristide ou qu'on trouve qu' Aristide peut avoir des qualités, la personne est immédiatement accusée de corruption… Mais.. C'est un fait aujourd'hui admis et connu par tous, même parmi le plus crétin des crétins, qu'Aristide a été kidnappé.

Mais quel désoeuvré de l'esprit peut aujourd'hui contester l'enlèvement d'Aristide? Tous les journaux du monde, les plus connus attestent bien qu'il y a eu kidnapping…. On voit bien que la propagande a ses limites.


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La défense est un droit sacré, et tu le fais assez bien, les lecteurs pourront decider, j'ai pas inventé ces informations, je n'en ai pas la capacité, mais je les partage.

Bon dimanche KHL
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En plus

Pour retourner en arriere et comprendre, nous sommes a Washington en 1992, la TELECO a US$80 millions sur son compte aux Etats Unis. Aristide obtenant l'acces a ce compte le partage avec des lobbystes pour facilier son retour. Dans ce processus il fait de mombreux millionaires avec ces 80 millions qui lui permet de retourner en Haiti. Dans ce processus un ancien depute noir americain Ron Daniel devient millionaire. Randall Robinson un leader de la communaute noire americaine devient millionaire aussi. Sa femme Hazel Robinson devient multimillionaire aussi. Elle est l'ancienne chef de cabinet du depute John Conyers. Brian Concannon, Ira Kurzban deviennent aussi riches sur le dos de notre peuple

C'est une contre vérité historique.. N'importe quelle personne avec un minimum de connaissances politiques sait comment Aristide est revenu au pouvoir….

Mr Maximo

Tu refais l'histoire.. pour des raisons idéologiques.. C'est dommage.. Je te suggère que la prochaine fois tu portes accusations… D'avoir l'amabilité de nous donner des références…On ne salit pas le nom des gens gratuitement. Tu as le droit de critiquer Aristide et ses sbires.. Mais pas des honnêtes gens qui par negritude défendent les nègres d'Haiti.

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Je ne t'accuse en rien

Je dis que l'information sur Randell Robinson que tu utilises pour faire ta démonstration est erronée.. Le procede abjecte car tu le mets dans le même panier que d'autres comme Paul Farmer…

Voila pourquoi on n'aime pas Randall Robinson



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Maximo a écrit:
La défense est un droit sacré, et tu le fais assez bien, les lecteurs pourront decider, j'ai pas inventé ces informations, je n'en ai pas la capacité, mais je les partage.

Bon dimanche KHL


Maximo, vous jouez avec l'inteligence des lecteurs. On vous demande d'apporter des précisions sur votre source. Il y a dans ce texte des lourdes accusations non verifiables. Si vous voulez être efficace dans votre lutte ne laissez aucun doute à vos opposants de votre bonne foi. IL FAUT DONNER LE CRÉDIT DE VOTRE TEXTE À SA SOURCE.

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KHL a dit : Mais. C'est un fait aujourd'hui admis et connu par tous, même parmi le plus crétin des crétins, qu'Aristide a été kidnappé.
Mais quel désœuvré de l'esprit peut aujourd'hui contester l'enlèvement d'Aristide? Tous les journaux du monde, les plus connus attestent bien qu'il y a eu kidnapping…. On voit bien que la propagande a ses limites.
Memm si nou define mô kidnapping ou byen childnapping, le yon papa rache pitit li nan men manman ou byen yon moun volo pitit la pou paran yo bay lajan.

Selon ka e sikonstans yo mô “kidnapping" nan pran diferan signifikasyon.
Nou kap remake pandan 2 denye annee yo Aristide pa pale de kidnapping anko.

Li di ke sikonstans a presyon intern e extern te mete’l nan yon sityasion kite oblije’l e fose’l kite pouvwa a.
Si Aristide konnen ke si li pat kite peyi a, li te kap mouri tou! Donk si gen "kid-napping" ki fet ti moun nan konsanti alé avek kid-napper yo.
Se te yon desizyon partaje.

Tout moun ak media interprete sitiasyon an dapre tandans politik e sosyal yo.
Donk nou kap di ke pa gen vrai e faux repons nan sitiyasyon sa.

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Maximo a dit: Pour retourner en arriere et comprendre, nous sommes a Washington en 1992, la TELECO a US$80 millions sur son compte aux Etats Unis. Aristide obtenant l'acces a ce compte le partage avec des lobbystes pour facilier son retour.
Maximo di la verite a wi, men li mete trop epice ak piman ladan'l kife ke verite sa pa gen memm gout nan bouch lot moun.

An politik, sitou nan Washington, DC pa gen anyen ki fet san lajan e network sosyal!

Aktivist kap proteste swa, nan PotoPrins, Paris, Ottawa, Montreal, mamb oganizate protestasyon sa yo resevwa lajan ou byen espere yon fave kelkonk pou sa.

Si yo pa resevwa lajan se paske yo fou pou defand yon koz ki indefandab.

Malere sou beton an ki pa resevwa lajan yo se zombie kap reve pou yon la vie miyo toujou. Pauvdyab!
Nou remake ke jiska prezan, la vie myo sa pa jamb konkretize.
Nou te toujou kwe nan mouvman Lavalas la ki baze sou jistis sosyal e pataj ekitab richess peyi a.
Se te yon mouvman ke nou te vle fe memm jan ak Peace Corp ou byen Medecin San Fontiere ou byen La Croix Rouge” ke kelkeswa gouvenman ki o pouvwa a mouvman sosyal sa ap toujou exziste e kontinye sevi bezwen pep la!!

Men le dirijan yo politize e personifye mouvman sa e itilize’l pou konseve pouvwa politik, nou di ke nou pa ladan anko men nap toujou kontinye travay pou jistis sosyal san aderans a okenn pati politik!!

Pou nou retounen sou Randall Robinson, Madam li te travay pou yon lobbist Aristide e papye income tax li te montre sa.
O ZetaZini, li fasil pou nou konnen ki kote yon lobbist resevwa lajan pou fe travay li. Papye “income tax li ou impot sou saler kap di anpil bagay.

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KHL a dit: C'est une contre vérité historique.. N'importe quelle personne avec un minimum de connaissances politiques sait comment Aristide est revenu au pouvoir….
Kom w gen plis savwa ak konesans politik pase majorite nan nou eske SVP w kap pataje yon ti moso nan konesans sa yo avek nou?
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C'est Carter qui a permis à Aristide de revenir; accessoirement Bill Clinton... C'est simple comme bonjour…Il n'y a pas de vaudou… de superstitions… De magies.. De ceci ou de cela….. Juste un peu de connaissances des enjeux géopolitiques du moment et comprendre les enjeux idéologiques à Washington.….Le reste ce sont des rumeurs pour les amoureux des histoires abracadanbrantesques… Nous avons toujours tendance à croire aux loup-garoups… c'est bizarre..

Revelasyon, si tu veux me faire dire qu'Aristide n'a pas eu l'appui du black caucus ou de certains intellectuels noirs américains… cela n'arrivera pas…

Mais de la A ce que je tire des conclusions de fumistes en gerbe.. je dis non… On n'accuse pas les gens avec deux ou trois faux papiers publiées par des pigistes professionnels payés pour faire ce genre de sales besognes.. C'est bien connu… rien de nouveau sous le soleil.

Je rappelle pour mémoire qu'Aristide est revenu deux fois d'Exil sous l'administration des démocrates.. C'est un hasard diront les wiki-pedants.…


Revelasyon, regarde cette video de l'époque.. tu auras ta réponse.

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KHL a dit:C'est Carter qui a permis à Aristide de revenir; accessoirement Bill Clinton... C'est simple comme bonjour…Il n'y a pas de vaudou… de superstitions… De magies..
Nou an 2011 e ni Carter ni peson pat negosye retou Aristide saa le 20 Mars 2011.

Siman KHL ap pale de retou 1994 la! Wi Carter te nan ekip negosiasyon an e li setoblije mande pou 20,000 Marines debake nan peyi a pou proteksyon popilasyon an.

Fok nou di w tou ke memm Carter sa tap fe pressyon sou Aristide pandan presidentyel 1990-1991 la Aristide te montre anpil tandans anti-emperialist e yo pat vle pou'l monte kom prezidan, paske Marc Bazin te designe le kandida ofisyel de Washington".

"Aristide est le véritable gagnant des élections du 20 mars" se sa deba saa di! Wi paske li echappe anba radar Washington nan e profite antre malgre yo di li non.

Nou souwete ke chat sa gen 9 vie e li rete gagnan sou nouvo gouvenman ki pral monte la.
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La défense est un droit sacré, et tu le fais assez bien, les lecteurs pourront decider, j'ai pas inventé ces informations, je n'en ai pas la capacité, mais je les partage.

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Maximo, vous jouez avec l'inteligence des lecteurs. On vous demande d'apporter des précisions sur votre source. Il y a dans ce texte des lourdes accusations non verifiables. Si vous voulez être efficace dans votre lutte ne laissez aucun doute à vos opposants de votre bonne foi. IL FAUT DONNER LE CRÉDIT DE VOTRE TEXTE À SA SOURCE.

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Je ne voulais pas intervenir ,mais MAXIMO a tenté de teinter le charactère de gens comme RON DANIELS et RANDALL ROBINSON.
RON DANIELS est un militant de DROITS CIVILS de longue date.
Ceux qui ont suivi la campagne contre l'APARTHEID aux ETATS UNIS,campagne qui avait forcé l'EXTRÈME DROITISTE RONALD REAGAN de mettre un embargo sur l'AFRIQUE DU SUD savent que RON DANIELS était l'un des organisateurs de cette campagne.

C'ëst un politologue de renomméeÍL N'AVAIT JAMAIS ÉTÉ CONGRESSMAN.RON DANIELS était aussi l'architecte de la campagne présidentielle de JESSE JACKSON ,en 1984/.

Quant à RANDALL ROBINSON ,le fondateur de TRANSAFRICA fondé spécialement pour la campagne contre l'APARTHEID;il est un avocat gradué de HARVARD.
Si c'était gagner de l'argent qui l'intéresserait ;il aurait pu gagner un magot en tant qu'avocat gradué de HARVARD.
Il était aussi le frère cadet de MAX ROBINSON;le premier ""anchor"" noir d'une chaine de télévision américaine.

Ces gens ne sont pas intéressés à faire de l'argent n'importe comment;s'ils le voulaient et joignaient ""l'establishment""íl ne leur serait pas difficile;en tout cas ils n'auraient pas besoin d'ARISTIDE pour faire de l'argent
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Follow Aristide’s Money Offshore: How Haiti was looted with the help of tax haven shell companies & secret bank accounts and U.S. citizens & corporations
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By Lucy Komisar
Haiti Democracy Project, Nov 10, 2005
Add former Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide to the long list of corrupt and repressive officials who have used Western banks and companies and offshore tax havens to plunder their countries and launder the stolen money.

Aristide and his associates looted government coffers, wrote checks to front companies for nonexistent purchases, padded invoices to get kickbacks from vendors, secretly owned companies that cheated Haiti of taxes, and laundered the money they stole through shell companies and secret bank accounts set up in the United States and the offshore tax havens of Turks and Caicos and the British Virgin Islands.

Aristide’s corruption is documented by incorporation papers, copies of bank checks, bank transfer documents, invoices, company payment statements, and sworn testimony.

Nearly $20 million has been documented as stolen between 2001, when Aristide took office as president for the second time, and 2004, when he fled or was forced out of the country according to varying accounts.

A Haiti official commission of inquiry says that at the beginning of the chain of transfers, ex-director general of the government bank Rodnee Deschineau moved $19 million in government funds through the accounts of Aristide’s governmental “Private Secretary Account.” I have copies of twelve checks drawn on that account from 2001 to 2002 and cashed by the Bank of the Republic of Haiti for sums of $100, 000 to $600, 000, and totaling $4, 662, 000.
The information, including the private secretary checks, was collected by the Central Unit of Financial Information (UCREF), an agency set up, as in other countries in recent years, to investigate money laundering, and by the Administrative Commission on Inquiry (Commission d’Enquete Administrative) headed by former Haitian senator Paul Denis.

Denis was charged by the current government with investigating corruption during the Aristide years.

His report says Aristide and his collaborators transferred $17, 489, 415 abroad.

The documents are the basis of a Haitian government lawsuit filed in Miami Nov. 2, 2005, under the U.S. RICO (Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) statute.

The defendants are listed at the end of this report.

The Haitian government and Teleco, its telecommunications company, seek to recoup the stolen money plus penalties allowed by the law. Allegations also appear in a New Jersey lawsuit filed by a former employee of IDT, a U.S. telecommunications company accused of paying kickbacks to Aristide.

The Haiti investigators’ mandate till now has been to look at events during Aristide’s second term. However, the attorneys in the lawsuit have the option of using the discovery process to look into earlier practices, including during the 1990s when Aristide was in exile, when he continued his first term (1994 to 96), and when his close associate Rene Preval was president (1996 to 2001).

This would likely considerably increase the amounts involved.

Payoffs to Aristide or his associates were also made by drug traffickers, according to the testimony of half a dozen Haitians indicted by the U.S. for helping the transit of cocaine through Haiti to the United States.

This investigation raises questions beyond the corruption of the Aristide administration.

It is a case study in how corrupt individuals use the offshore bank and corporate secrecy system and easily-incorporated shell companies at home, offshore and elsewhere to loot their countries’ treasuries and facilitate international crime.

There are about seventy offshore jurisdictions around the world.

Among the most famous are Switzerland, Grand Cayman, Luxembourg, British Virgin Islands, Jersey, Liechtenstein.

Offshore centers allow companies and bank accounts to keep their records, including owners’ names, secret even from regulators and law enforcement.

They apply no or low taxes, which is why they are known as tax havens.

Most of them give these advantages only to foreigners.

Offshore financial centers are the parallel financial services system for criminals: for corporate crooks and fraudsters, tax evaders, drug and arm traffickers, terrorists and for government officials who steal from their countries.

The big international banks all have offshore subsidiaries where they can hide the money of clients who are evading taxes at home or committing other crimes.

And in many countries, including the United States, it is relatively easy to set up companies and bank accounts without providing documentation about the true owners.

Corrupt Western business people, negligent or complicit bankers and offshore tax havens – all the enablers of corruption — make a lot of money by helping the world’s crooks.

They provide the capital for those crooks to stay in power, and they tilt the playing field against the interests of firms and individuals who do business honestly.

The U.S. was involved in the Aristide case in two ways. The offshore system was used to collect kickbacks or divert payments from American companies that should have gone to the Haitian government.

U.S. banks moved large amounts of money for shell companies set up in the U.S., Haiti and offshore.

The phone companies
Haiti’s Telecom Sector is estimated at 400 million minutes a year, valued at $48 million.

Foreign phone companies that provide calling services to other countries must pay for routing of their calls on the switching equipment of the receiving country, which records the time of calls.

Foreign companies routinely pay a per-minute rate for these calls.

Teleco (Telecommunications d’Haiti), the Haiti national telephone company, made agreements with telephone companies, including IDT (Newark, NJ), Fusion Telecommunications (New York), Skyytel (Montreal), Cinergy (Miami) and IPIP/Terra (Miami), granting them rights to connect to Haiti phone lines.

The suit by the Haiti government says that payments to Teleco were diverted or kicked back to Aristide’s group through companies and bank accounts in the offshore Turks and Caicos Islands and the British Virgin Islands.

The offshore companies, described as “agents” or “consultants” for Teleco, were used for the benefit of Aristide and his associates.

The suit focuses on the years of Aristide’s second term, but according to a report by Christopher Caldwell in the July 1994 American Spectator, kickbacks or diverted payments were nothing new. He says that when Aristide was in exile in Washington, 1991-1994, he ordered that the proceeds from Haiti’s international phone traffic handled by the Latin American division of AT&T be moved to a numbered bank account in offshore Panama.

He says Aristide used the settlement accounts of Teleco in the US to finance his return to power in 1994 and that the practice continued after he was returned to office in 1994.
The Caldwell report was cited by reporter Mary O’Grady in an article about the telecom scandal in the Wall Street Journal last year. Asked if it was true, Jim Byrnes, head of AT&T Corporate Media Relations, told me, “AT&T declines to comment on a characterization in a media report from 1994, or a paraphrasing of that characterization in The Wall Street Journal.” Caldwell did not respond to phone and email messages asking for more details.

The recent case with the most evidence of Aristide corruption involves IDT, a telecommunications company founded in 1990 and headquartered in Newark, NJ. A former employee says the company vice-president told him that IDT in 2003 agreed to pay kickbacks to Aristide’s offshore bank account in return for a favorable phone deal in Haiti.

Michael Jewett, who in 2003 was associate regional vice president for the Caribbean at IDT, made the charges in a suit for wrongful dismissal filed in federal court in Newark in October 2005. He said that during discussions on the agreement, Teleco sought bribes in exchange for a cut-rate price and that IDT agreed to kickbacks.

Under U.S. law, American companies would have to pay 23 cents a minute to Teleco for its services in completing calls from the U.S. Teleco was offering 9 cents a minute, with 3 cents kicked back.
Jewett said he’d been told that the initial Teleco proposal called for IDT to first deposit funds in a U.S. bank account.

He said IDT decided that was too risky: that it might pay and get no agreement.

(No honor among thieves.) He said that Jack Lerer, IDT Executive Vice President for International Business Development, went to Haiti in August 2003 and met Aristide to work out an accord.

A month later, he said, Lerer met with Jewett and told him that the deal was that IDT would deposit money in an account set up for Aristide under the name Mont Salem, in the offshore Turks and Caicos.

Jewett said Lerer told him they had to move fast so that they didn’t lose the deal.
Jewett’s suit says, “Plaintiff asked defendant Jack Lerer what Mont Salem was, and he replied it was the private bank account of the President of Haiti, Mr. Jean Bertrand Aristide, that had been created by legal counsel for President Aristide, Adrian Corr, member of the law firm Miller, Simons and O’Sullivan.”
Jewett testified that Lerer appointed him the “go-between for all commercial correspondence between Teleco Haiti and Mont Salem.” He said Lerer told him “not to reveal the details of the Teleco Haiti deal with anyone within IDT.” Jewett says he repeatedly protested that the deal was illegal.

After it was completed, he was fired.

In October 2003, IDT concluded an agreement with Teleco to pay 9 cents a minute for Teleco’s services.

Instead of making payments directly to the Haiti government company, it would make them to Mont Salem as Teleco’s agent.

Under the agreement, Teleco would actually receive only 6 cents a minute, and the other 3 cents would be kept by Mont Salem as a kickback.

Teleco’s records were falsified to show Mont Salem as the carrier, not IDT.
In one six-month period, February to April 2004, IDT paid $302, 588 in kickbacks to the Aristide group, according to the Haitian government lawsuit.

Mont Salem was in fact a shell company.

Timothy O’Sullivan of Miller, Simons and O’Sullivan was listed as Mont Salem’s registered agent.

One of the functions of offshore law firms is to set up shell companies – fake or front companies – that have no purpose other than to carry out phony transactions to justify the movement of money into crooks’ secret accounts.

Mont Salem’s incorporation papers show registration in June 2000 with capital of $5, 000 – not much for a real company.

The owner of shares was “M & S Nominees Ltd,” not the real owners, just another name for Miller, Simmons, at the same address.

“Nominees” means “stand-in” or “strawman.” Using nominees hides true owners, a typical offshore ploy when the real owners are up to no good.
Mont Salem was, like all such offshore companies, exempt from taxation.

M&S just had to promise that “the operation of the proposed Company will be conducted mainly outside the Turks and Caicos Islands.” The local folks don’t want corrupt companies and criminals doing business on their doorstep, but they don’t care if they loot other countries and people.

If IDT did as alleged, it violated U.S. Federal Communication Commission rules.

When it entered its agreement, calls from the U.S. to Haiti were covered by the ISP, International Settlements Policy, which requires transparency and nondiscriminatory rates.

That meant that U.S. carriers had to pay 23 cents a minute for phone calls sent to Haiti.

Companies would have to inform the FCC and all competitors if they negotiated a deal for lower rates.

IDT didn’t do that. After November 2004, Haiti was exempted from the ISP rules, so rates for U.S. telecoms were open to the market.

If IDT did as alleged, it also violated the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which bans payment of bribes or kickbacks to get foreign contracts.

The Department of Justice, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the United States Attorney in Newark, NJ, have initiated investigations into Jewett’s charges.

IDT’s CEO James Courter and the company’s attorney in the Jewett case, Leslie Lajewski (Grotta, Glassman & Hoffman), both declined to return phone calls and emails seeking comment.

However, Courter has been quoted publicly as saying that Jewett is a disgruntled ex-employee with no evidence.

IDT, whose business plan apparently included lucrative deals with Haiti’s politicians, appears to play the same political game at home. James Courter, a Republican New Jersey congressman from 1979 to 1991, is a friend of Vice President Dick Cheney.

When Net2Phone, an IDT internet phone company, went public in 1999, he arranged for Cheney to buy 1, 000 initial shares.

Cheney paid $15, 000 for the shares and sold them the same day for $26, 574, a neat profit of 77.2 percent.

Prominent Republicans sit on IDT’s board of directors, which includes Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, a former ambassador to the United Nations; Jack F. Kemp, the former New York congressman and Republican vice presidential nominee; James S. Gilmore III, a former governor of Virginia; and Rudy Boschwitz, a former senator from Minnesota.

Pete Wilson, the former governor of California, is on the board of its IDT Entertainment subsidiary.

And until he resigned in fall 2005, William F. Weld, the former Massachusetts governor who plans to run for governor of New York, was a director of the IDT board and chairman of its governance committee.

IDT corporate governance gets failing marks from the Corporate Library and Institutional Shareholder Services, which rate companies for institutional investors.

The lone IDT Democrat, Leon E. Panetta, a former congressman who was chief of staff in the Clinton administration, is on the board of the IDT Telecom unit.
After the suit, the IDT audit committee engaged the law firm Latham & Watkins to look into the matter.

In September 2004, IDT had proposed to Teleco that it end the agency agreement with Mont Salem and not allow any agent to make or receive payments in violation of US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. But even then, Teleco billed IDT at 6 cents rather than 9, because its records showed that the agreed price.

Later an increase for all carriers in Aug. 2004 increased the IDT rate.
According to the Haiti lawsuit, a similar kickback deal was worked out for Skyytel, a Montreal company.

Its 2003 agreement with Teleco provided for payment of 9 cents a minute to Mont Salem as Teleco’s agent.

Again, Teleco would get only 6 cents a minute, with the rest sent as bribe and kickback to the Aristide group.

The Teleco records were falsified to show Mont Salem as the carrier, paying Teleco 6 cents a minute.

The difference of $872, 371 was paid as kickbacks.

Skyytel president Colin Povall denies that kickbacks were paid. He explained how the deal was made. “Mont Salem approached us. I heard they were going to go after IDT and not give us the original deal they made. They [Mont Salem] were very secretive as to how they got their license to do this. They said we’re a licensed carrier.”
He told me, “Mont Salem had the direct contact; we never met anybody in Haiti.

Fred Beliard is the only one I met. He was dealing with some powerful people.” Beliard, a Haitian is accused in the lawsuit of participating in a scheme to misappropriate Teleco profits by granting telecoms reduced rates in exchange for kickbacks.

Povall said, “Beliard had promised us a tremendous amount of capacity, but I think they gave it to IDT. Our prices were between 7.2 and 8 cents; we made a margin of a half to a penny, which is reasonable in this business.

We were reselling Mont Salem’s capacity.

What deal they had, they kept it very secretive.

They always told us they were paying 6 cents.

They had their partnership; they didn’t reveal it was through Aristide.

Adrian Corr, we only heard about him when it came to sign the contract; his name was on the contract.”
Why didn’t Skyytel go directly to Teleco?

Povall said, “In a perfect world that would be great.

You have to have the contacts.

The way they fast track is they had someone [is that] Aristide placed people inside.

Instead of Teleco approaching and making a bid, they sought out telecommunications companies to facilitate deals.

Any teleco on earth would die at the chance of selling minutes to Haiti.

There are a lot of minutes.

If you have a decent margin.

It doesn’t make sense that Teleco would bother making those payouts.”
He said, “When the FBI called us, we were more than cooperative.

They asked us to be witnesses, and we agreed on it. I told FBI I’ll give the entire file and you can check what we paid. We asked them to give us immunity.

We did nothing wrong, but how they construe it….” He added, “Mont Salem, whatever they were paid, they must have paid their partners.

Their partners are not legitimate partners but government partners.”
One of Skyytel’s advisors is Ron Beliard, who acknowledged by phone that he is related to Fred Beliard.

Where did the money go?

Who really owns Mont Salem?

I phoned Adrian Corr. I asked him who the real owners are. He said, “As in Delaware, you can have nominee directors.”
[Delaware.

Hmmm. It is true that Delaware is the American "offshore" venue, where crooks from around the world can set up companies, secure in the knowledge that Delaware authorities will not fuss if the names of verifiable owners are not listed.

Delaware just collect the profitable registration fees.]
Were there nominees (fake owners) in this company?

“I don’t know: you put me on the spot,” said Corr. “I don’t want to answer any questions about this. I have lawyers retained; it’s better you speak with them. It’s [former New Jersey] Governor Byrne’s law firm.” His attorney Kerrie Heslin at Carella Byrne in Newark did not respond to numerous requests for comment.

Neither did Mont Salem’s Newark lawyer, Michael Weinstein (Podvey, Meanor, Catenacci, Hildner, Cocoziello & Chattman).

I told him, “I’d like to know more about Mont Salem: who owns it (the real owners, not the nominees), what its business is, how it got involved with Teleco.” His reply was, “No comment.”
The Haiti government lawsuit charges that IDT is not the only American company that appears to have paid kickbacks or diverted payments.

Fusion Telecommunications (New York), a company run by former high-level Clinton Administration officials, is said in the lawsuit also to have made a suspect deal.
Fusion’s politically well-connected board has included Marvin Rosen, former finance chair of the Democratic National Committee; Massachusetts Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy II; and Thomas “Mack” McLarty III, Clinton special envoy to Latin America.

Kennedy and McLarty resigned, and John Sununu, chief of staff for former President George H.W. Bush, joined the advisory board.

The Clinton administration played an important role in offering asylum to Aristide when he was forced out of the country by a military coup and used its influence to get him restored to power in 1994.
Fusion began operating in Haiti in 1999 and provided services to Teleco until June 2002. The Haiti government lawsuit says Fusion made some payments to Teleco via CW Holdings, a company with a bank account in Florida.

Lawyers for Haiti do not know where CW Holdings is located.

However, a source said that the CW Holdings contact person is named Leonard Whan.
Fusion, through its representative, Howard Rubenstein Public Relations, told me that in mid-2001, “Teleco notified Fusion Telecommunications that Teleco had assigned its “Accounts Receivable” to a factor identified as CW Holdings.” The money was “less than $1 million a month.” Howard Rubenstein PR said, “Fusion was instructed to make payments that it owed to Teleco to the account of CW Holdings in Bank Atlantic in Florida.

In invoices that Fusion received from Teleco, Teleco accounted for Fusion’s payments to CW Holdings as payments made to Teleco.

Fusion made payments to CW Holdings for three months until Teleco instructed Fusion to make all future payments directly to Teleco.

CW Holdings acknowledged to Fusion that its factor agreement with Teleco had ceased.

Consistent with the instructions Fusion received from Teleco, CW Holdings directed Fusion to make payments directly to Teleco going forward.

Fusion complied with this request.”
Howard Rubenstein PR said, “At no time has Fusion Telecommunications ever made improper payments or engaged in any improper activity.

More specifically, during the time Fusion Telecommunications did business with Teleco, Fusion Telecommunications did nothing improper and made no illegal payments.”
Fusion didn’t respond to queries about where CW Holdings was registered or the cost of the minutes it paid to that intermediary or to Teleco.

Turks and Caicos may not have been the only offshore center used to siphon off kickbacks.

The lawsuit says that Cinergy (Miami) made payments through Toscana Telecom, in the offshore British Virgin Islands.

Asked about that, Washington Cruz, owner of Cinergy, said on the phone, “I have nothing to comment to you.”
IPIP Communications (Henry Frandzi) and Terra (Joel Esquenazi), which took up the IPIP contract, are also named as having made suspicious contracts.

James Dickey, attorney for both Miami companies, said he could not discuss the matter.

He said, “It is our practice that we do not comment on any lawsuit at any time.”
An interesting footnote is that the lawsuit says that in this period, AT&T refused to divert payments offshore.

AT&T spokesperson James Byrnes said that he could not provide any details of particular situatons, but emailed that, “AT&T has a firm policy against making payments that can end up being used as bribes of foreign government officials.

Such payments would violate AT&T’s internal code of conduct as well as the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.”
The Sam Ash Case
Another case involves shell companies set up in Haiti, and not offshore.

They were Digitek, owned by Lesly Lavelanet, brother-in-law of Aristide’s wife, Mildred Trouillot Aristide, and VJLS Computer Services and Accessories, owned by Marie Alice Valin and Sonia Jean Louis, Haitians who were evidently nominees.

UCREF discovered that VJLS was a fictitious corporation with a fictitious place of business but that it nevertheless received more than $16 million in public funds.

Lavelanet is a defendant in the Haiti government suit.
The lawsuit raises questions about payments that Digitek received from Sam Ash, the New York musical instruments store.

It says that on Jan. 28, 2002, VJLS wired $467, 171 from its account at the Bank of the Republic of Haiti to the account of Sam Ash Music Store at Chase Manhattan Bank in New York to buy a stadium sound system.

The system was apparently delivered.

The suit says that there was a commission of $67, 650 for Digitek and return of an overpayment of $24, 850. On Feb. 26, Sam Ash sent Digitek a check for $92, 500 for the commission and refund.

David Ash, the company attorney, told me, “We didn’t know that the Haitian government was involved.

It is not uncommon for us to deal with contractors.

Contractors typically receive a profit on the materials and labor they put into whatever project they are involved in. Digitek placed an order.

They said it had something to do with some festival.

We filled the order and delivered the merchandise.

We delivered an invoice.”
He said, “It was correct, there was an overpayment.

They put too much money in my account.

It can happen that a contractor says the bill is going to be “x” amount, that includes my commission and profit on labor and materials.

We asked for instructions on what to do with the excess money.

The instructions were to send the money to Digitek.”
Asked why the wire transfer had come from VJLS instead of Digitek, Ash replied, “I don’t know the relationship between them; it may have been as client-contractor or as related companies.

That is why we requested instructions on where to send the check for the remaining funds.” He added, “If we were going to do a kickback, which I would not permit in this company, we would have written an inflated invoice and given the money under the table to someone.” He pointed out that it was the initial payment by Digitek, not the invoice by Sam Ash, that was inflated.

The question of what Digitek did with the $92, 500 refund must be asked of Lavelanet.

Correspondent banking
Aristide and his group were sophisticated users of the world’s money laundering techniques, one of which involves correspondent banking.

A correspondent account is an account that a bank has in the bank of another country so that it can move its clients’ money to and from that country.

Until the U.S. Patriot Act passed in 2001 after the discovery that Al Qaeda had moved money via correspondent accounts, American banks could accept “bundled” transfers from foreign banks that didn’t indicate the senders.

That has changed, but the system still makes it easy for U.S. banks to accept dirty money whose senders are vouched for by a corrupt sending bank and passed off as clean.

The group also used the money laundering technique called layering, in which illicitly obtained cash is transferred numerous times to obscure its origins and finally placed where it can be accessed without any trouble.

Digitek and VJLS were part of money movements that involved correspondent accounts and layering.

This is how that worked.

The CEA/Denis report says that from Sept. 2001 to Nov. 2003, Digitek received more than $8 million for purchase of cell phones and modernization of the communications network of the National Palace and police.

But current government investigators could obtain no bid information, no contract, or any proof that the goods were delivered.

Where did the money go?

On February 27, 2003, Digitek was paid $239, 000 by a check drawn on the government bank’s correspondent account at Citibank (NY) for equipment for Telco.

The suit says it never delivered that equipment.

Instead, it allegedly bought a CD for Global Spectrum, another shell company Lavalanet controlled.

In October, Global Spectrum transferred $256, 000 – the CD plus interest – to an account in the name of Trujillo & Sons at the Bank of the Republic of Haiti.

The money was then wired to a Trujillo account at Ocean Bank in Miami.

Trujillo & Sons is a Miami company that deals in rice and other foodstuffs.

It is family owned company run by Alberto Trujillo and Lucas Trujillo Jr. and has packaging plants and a warehouse in Northwest Miami which distribute to the U.S., Caribbean and South America.

The lawsuit says that funds moved through front companies were used to buy rice and other products from Trujillo to resell in Haiti.

The fronts were used to obscure transactions with paper work and to provide a rationale for siphoning “commissions.”
The check register of the Bank of the Republic of Haiti shows fifty-five checks from October 25, 2001 through August 12, 2003, totaling $16, 447, 795 made out to VJLS, which between October 2001 and March 2004 wire-transferred nearly $14 million to the Ocean Bank, Miami, account of Trujillo & Sons.
Sometimes the money was run through other shell companies.

VJLS transferred about $3.6 million in public funds to the front company Se Pa’n and Quisqueya accounts at the Bank of the Republic of Haiti.

Se Pa’an and Quisqueya were purportedly run by Ricardo Sanon, who was listed as managing director in 2002 although he was a 25-year-old student.

At least $2.3 million moved from front companies to Trujillo.

Alfonso Perez, lawyer for the company, said Trujillo & Sons does $100 million of sales a year. He said that some Haitian merchants mistrust local banks and do not have accounts through which they can transfer payments to the U.S., so they deposit funds in Trujillo’s Haiti account, from where they are transferred to the company’s bank in Miami.

There is no indication of any illegal activity by Trujillo.

Tax evasion
Offshore corruption goes hand-in-hand with tax evasion.

Corporations and the wealthy use shell companies and secret bank accounts to evade taxes and shrink the treasuries of the developed and developing worlds.

The rice purchase scam is a small example of this. According to the CEA/Denis report, the provisions shipped by Trujillo were imported without the importers, Josesph Dieuseul Tchakounte and Global Spectrum, paying customs duties of $1, 346, 706.
Sometimes, says the suit, the illicit funds went to the U.S. banks accounts of U.S. shell companies, among them Southborder Enterprises and Giovanni of Miami.

Southborder
According to the lawsuit, Aristide and his group set up Southborder Enterprises in Florida, listing it at 1362 NW 58 Street, Miami, an address that does not exist, with phones that were not working numbers.

Still, checks from the Private Secretary account of the Bank of the Republic of Haiti paid it $965, 836 for hand-cranked AM/FM radios, t-shirts, bumper stickers and pins.
Giovanna of Miami is listed at a Miami phone number that does not answer.

Its owner Michelle Cardozo has an unlisted phone.

But Giovanna of Miami was a very active company when it came to receiving Haiti cash. On Jan. 24, 2002, about $169, 000 in government funds was wired to the company’s Richmond, VA, Bank of America account for equipment for the Security Police for the National Palace.

About $204, 000 was paid April 11, 2002 to the company at the Bank of America for musical instruments for the Presidential Security Unit’s brass band. About $162, 000 was sent to the company at Bank Atlantic July 11, 2003 for equipment for the Security Police for the National Palace.

Some $208, 000 was sent to the company at Bank Atlantic July 30, 2003 for equipment for the Presidential Security unit. Another $143, 000 was wired Oct. 30, 2003 for more equipment. Nov. 12, 2003 the $283, 000 transfer was for musical instruments. Nov. 24, 2003 some $270, 000 was wired for equipment.

And then another $146, 000 was sent for equipment.

The invoices continued, and they were paid; the total came to more than $2 million.

The address listed for the company so active in providing equipment and musical instruments to the Haitian Security Unit was a rented mailbox at a UPS store.

The 2005 Dun and Bradstreet report for the company could not figure out its “line of business,” noted that its employees were “undetermined,” it had no banking or finance record, and was located at a residence owned by Cardozo.

Bank of America corporate headquarters was asked what kind of due diligence was done on Giovanna of Miami and if these transfers had been scrutinized.

There was no response.

Though a Miami resident, Cardozo in October 2004 made a $500 contribution to Rep. Maxine Waters, a California congresswoman active in the defense of Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

One shell company with a U.S. account could not be found registered in either Haiti or the U.S., which leaves the possibility that it was incorporated offshore.

A wire Jan. 24, 2002 transferred $1.7 million from VJLS to an account of the Haffey Corporation at HSBC Bank, Miami.

Haiti investigators could find no evidence that a company called Haffey exists either in the U.S. or Haiti.

Kathleen Rizzo Young, spokesperson for HSBC, said, “We do not provide information on particular customer accounts as to do so would be in violation of the laws requiring customer privacy.

I can tell you, however, that HSBC maintains strict anti-money laundering policies and procedures.

We obtain KYC (Know Your Customer) information on all accounts, conduct due diligence on customers as required, and in particular do enhanced due diligence on customers determined to be of higher risk. We monitor transactions, and, as necessary, report any transactions deemed to be suspicious as required by law and regulation.” Nevertheless, the Haffey transaction apparently came in under the radar.

Americans should be care that shell companies are being set up in the U.S. to facilitate corrupt transactions.

They must also be concerned about American banks that provides accounts to shell companies with such little due diligence that they doesn’t discover that companies that receive transfers of large sums of money are offshore shells whose true owners cannot be verified or are registered at mail boxes and lack working phones.

Drug trafficking
Drug traffickers were among the earliest satisfied patrons of the offshore money-laundering system.

U.S. indictments and testimony in the cases of half a dozen Haitians charged and convicted of cocaine trafficking show that Aristide government officials protected and participated in moving the illegal drug through Haiti to the United States.

By 2004, about 8 percent of the cocaine entering the U.S. came through Haiti, an increase during Aristide’s time in office.

Beaudouin Jacques Ketant, the most notorious drug dealer in Haiti, told a U.S. court that Aristide controlled 85% of the cocaine flow through Haiti.

Ketant, who was originally a customs employee at the Port-au-Prince airport, said at a February 2004 sentencing hearing that he had paid up to half million dollars a month in bribes to Aristide and Oriel Oriel Jean, who headed Aristide’s Presidential/National Palace security from 2001 to 2003, to allow planes with cocaine to land on National Route 9 near Port-au-Prince.

Ketant smuggled cocaine to Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, West Palm Beach, New York and Chicago.

Oriel Jean testified that he and other Haitian law enforcement officials got hundreds of thousands of dollars from Haitian drug trafficker Serge Edouard, who ran an operation that imported cocaine from Colombia into Miami and New York. Jean said that Aristide approved a national security badge for Edouard so he could travel in the country without police searches.

He said Edouard kicked back money to Fondation Aristide, a foundation controlled by the President.

Other Haitian traffickers indicted by the U.S. include:
Jean Nesly Lucien, former chief of police, who admitted money laundering.

He worked with Ketant, helping to move drug shipments into Haiti from where they would go to the U.S. He had his police delay and divert DEA agents from interdicting ships and got $50, 000 and 5 kilos of cocaine for each shipment.

Romaine Lestin, former head of police at Port-au-Prince airport, who took kickbacks to provide security for drug flights.

He was part of Ketant group.

He pleaded guilty to importing cocaine.

Rudy Therassean, former commander of national police Brigade of Research & Investigation, pleaded guilty to accepting protection money from drug traffickers in 2001-2002.

Evans Brilliant, former head of national police anti-narcotics brigade, allowed a Colombian plane with over 1, 000 kilos of cocaine to land on a highway near the capital.

He routinely took bribes for this and other traffic.

Fourel Celestin, former president of Haitian Senate, leader of the Lavalas party, and advisor to Aristide, received tens of thousands of dollars to ensure transport of cocaine through Haiti.

U.S. Law and interest
Under U.S. law, anyone who moves money of illicit origins – the profits of crime – into U.S. bank accounts violates statutes against money laundering.

Anyone who offers bribes or kickback to get a foreign contract violates the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Bankers who fail to do “know your customer” investigations or report suspicious transactions violate banking regulations and U.S. anti-money laundering law.
The violations of law and regulations indicated by the lawsuits and official investigations cited here should prompt investigations by the Justice Department, bank regulators and other U.S. agencies.

Americans should be concerned about the harmful effects of the offshore system.

Law enforcers routinely find, as they may in the cases discussed here, that it protects crooked clients by refusing to provide information about shell companies and bank accounts.

The U.S. Justice Department can request information under mutual legal assistance treaties.

Even then, getting information is problematical, since while the legal niceties are going on, the culprits usually move their registrations and accounts to other venues.

Private parties filing civil suits find getting information near impossible.

Americans should care also because the collection of bribes and kickbacks from foreign companies and the use of shell companies and secret accounts in tax havens helps looting by dictators and corrupt officials in all parts of the world and provides the funds that help keep them in power.

It is the same system that Saddam Hussein used to stash bribes and kickbacks from western arms companies during an international arms embargo against his government in the 1990s.

It is the system he used to hide illicit payments from traders buying Iranian oil in the UN Oil for Food program.

It is the system used by dictators Sani Abacha in Nigeria, Omar Bongo of Gabon, Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, and the rulers of Angola and Equatorial Guinea, by the corrupt Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan and Carlos Menem of Argentina, and, of course, by Francois “Baby Doc” Duvalier in Haiti.

The political context
Aristide was elected President of Haiti for a five-year term from February 1991 to February 1996. In September 1991, he was forced into exile by a military coup. In September 1994, a U.S.-led force acting under a U.N. resolution invaded Haiti to oust the military regime and restore Aristide to the presidency.

He returned to Haiti to serve the remainder of his first term, until February 1996.
Then, until February 2001, former Prime Minister Rene Preval, a man close to Aristide, served as President.

Aristide returned to office in February 2001, in elections which, because of evidence of fraud, were not certified by the Organization of American States’ electoral observation mission.

In February 2004, Aristide resigned and flew first to the Central African Republic and then to South Africa.

The accused, as cited in the Haitian government lawsuit, are:
Former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

He lives in Pretoria, South Africa.

Faubert Gustave, minister of the Economy and Finance 2001-4. He lives in Sarasota, FL.
Rodnee Deschineau, General Manager of the Banque Populaire Haitienne, owned by the government from 2001-4. He lives in Dorchester, Mass.
Lesley Lavelanet, the brother-in-law of Aristide’s wife, Mildred Trouillot Aristide.

He controlled several companies, including Digitek SA and Global Spectrum SA. He lives in Coral Springs, FL.
Fred Beliard participated in schemes to misappropriate Teleco profits.

He lives in Cooper City, FL.
Alphonse Inevil, Director of Planning at Teleco from 1997 to 2002, then Director General to 2004. He participated in the plan to misappropriate Teleco profits.

He lives in Lakeland, FL.
Jean Rene Duperval, Director of International Affairs for Teleco from 2003 to 2004; he participated in the Teleco scam. He lives in Miramar, FL.
Adrian Corr of the law firm of Miller, Simons and O’Sullivan in the Turks and Caicos Islands.

He ran Mont Salem, the shell company allegedly owned by Aristide.

He lives in that offshore tax haven.

Links
Haitian government lawsuit (English)
UCREF report (French) UCREF is the Haitian Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU).

Commission d’Enquete Administrative (Paul Denis) report (French)
Jewett suit against IDT (English)
Past reporting on Haiti by Lucy Komisar
“Thugs Are Still Terrorizing Haiti,” St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Sept. 24, 1993.
“Haitians Skeptical of Leader, but U.S. Pushing to Renew Assistance,” San Diego Union, May 13, 1989.
“A New Duvalier in Haiti?” New York Times, April 22, 1989.
Reporter, cameraperson and writer for a documentary report on the Haitian political situation for “The Kwitny Report,” aired in April 1989 on the PBS network.

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Saturday, July 28, 2007
Randall Robinson CSPAN Interview and Aristide's Haiti

For the Record …
Corrections and Comments by Stanley Lucas Stanleylucas1@gmail.com
On Randall Robinson's July 22, 2007 C-SPAN Interview--------------------------
Randall Robinson has written a book about Haiti's history which was published this year. On July 22, 2007, he gave an interview to C-SPAN http://www.q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1137covering his perspectives on a variety of issues, including recent events in Haiti. The following are some corrections and comments on the interview intended to clarify several of his misleading statements.

1. Mr. Robinson omitted mentioning that his wife, Hazel Ross-Robinson, not only has an extensive background working on Capitol Hill, but left the Hill to go to work for Aristide earning millions of dollars as a lobbyist defending Aristide's interests in Washington, DC http://www.haitipolicy.org/Lobbying7.htm .

2. Mr. Robinson failed to mention if there is a connection between his book and the $30 million that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez pledged to actor and Aristide supporter Danny Glover to produce a movie about the Haitian independence and its impact on Latin America. The thrust of Robinson's book is essentially an effort to gloss over Aristide's abysmal record of drug trafficking, human rights violations, election rigging and corruption by positioning Aristide's story as an extension of the Haitian independence movement. The absurdity of comparing this man to the founding fathers of Haiti is evident and an insult to the Haitian people. There is a concern among Haitians that their history is subject to being sold out to the highest bidder – and therefore can be manipulated, specifically by the Aristide supporters.

3. Overall, it is disappointing to hear Mr. Robinson characterize everything in terms of race. Haiti is 99% black and proud to be the world's first black republic. However, the independence was not just about race. Haiti's founding fathers saw beyond race to the universal values of freedom and equality. Haitians fought alongside Simon Bolivar in his quest to liberate the Latin American countries. They fought alongside Americans in the Revolutionary War http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5173752062581162877&q=president+clinton+haiti&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0. It was not about Latinos or Americans. For Haitians, it was about freedom and liberation. It is true, however, that outsiders may have considered us a threat because of our cause and because of our race, but that did not have an impact on our purpose.

There is a further concern among Haitians that the collective memory of the Haitian independence movement could be tainted by these assertions. President Rene Preval requested that Danny Glover shoot the movie in Haiti and include Haitian historians and movie producers in the project to ensure that the only successful black revolution on earth is portrayed faithfully and accurately.

4. Mr. Robinson does not know me or my family. My father was a businessman and spent his career with the US Agency of International Development (USAID), where he retired. My mother is a businesswomen in her own right and never worked in Haiti. Neither were involved in politics. To state that my parents were supporters of Duvalier is an outright fabrication. -- Stanley Lucas


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MAXIMO ;

Vous ètes sérieux?
Donner LUCY KOMISAR de HAITI DEMOCRACY PROJECT et STANLEY LUCAS sur quoi que ce soit sur ARISTIDE ;c'est comme donner GERIN et les autres comme références sur les évènements du 17 OCTOBRE 1806.

LE HDP avait été créé spécialement pour la déstabilisation et le renversement d'ARISTIDE.
Certains de vous sont toujours prèts à vous complaindre de l'argent dépensé par ARISTIDE pour les lobbys.
Si ARISTIDE n'avait pas de lobbys ;il ne durerait pas un an au pouvoir.
La machine de la désinformation avec en tète la HAITI DEMOCRACY PROJECT fonctionnait à plein temps ;avec l'argent de l'IRI ,IFES,NED .
L'argent qui était supposé d'aller en aide au peuple haitien prenait la route de ces organisations qui fondait les organisations anti-ARISTIDE avec STANLEY LUCAS en tète.
On ne répète plus,ces arguments anti -ARISTIDE ;ils ont été démentis par des grands quotidiens comme le NEW YORK TIMES,SALON MAGAZINE,THE GUARDIAN et des ""think tank"" comme la COHA.
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Qui perd gagne ?

Interessant ce procede de redefinir les conditions de la victoire par celles de la defaite .
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Joel a écrit:
MAXIMO ;

Vous ètes sérieux?
Donner LUCY KOMISAR de HAITI DEMOCRACY PROJECT et STANLEY LUCAS sur quoi que ce soit sur ARISTIDE ;c'est comme donner GERIN et les autres comme références sur les évènements du 17 OCTOBRE 1806.

LE HDP avait été créé spécialement pour la déstabilisation et le renversement d'ARISTIDE.
Certains de vous sont toujours prèts à vous complaindre de l'argent dépensé par ARISTIDE pour les lobbys.
Si ARISTIDE n'avait pas de lobbys ;il ne durerait pas un an au pouvoir.
La machine de la désinformation avec en tète la HAITI DEMOCRACY PROJECT fonctionnait à plein temps ;avec l'argent de l'IRI ,IFES,NED .
L'argent qui était supposé d'aller en aide au peuple haitien prenait la route de ces organisations qui fondait les organisations anti-ARISTIDE avec STANLEY LUCAS en tète.
On ne répète plus,ces arguments anti -ARISTIDE ;ils ont été démentis par des grands quotidiens comme le NEW YORK TIMES,SALON MAGAZINE,THE GUARDIAN et des ""think tank"" comme la COHA.

Joël,

J'aurais pu dire la même chose pour Amy Goodman, ou Randal Robinson, ou Danny Glover ou Ira Kurzban, des défenseurs d'Aristide, mais je ne le fais pas, je lis ce qu’ils disent, je réfléchis et je compare et de la je me fais une opinion. Le défenseur et l’accusateur ne sont jamais sur la même longueur d’onde, je suis aussi sérieux que toi quand tu postes un article d’Amy Goodman.

Bonne journée Joël.
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Maximo

Avec tout le respect que je te dois… L'article que tu as cité n'est pas une preuve. Si tu étais magistrat et que tu devais me juger, je préférerais me faire juger par un taliban que d'accepter de me faire juger par un juge qui présente un article comme preuve pour rendre un jugement de condamnation..

Tu sais n'importe qui peut prendre n'importe quel article, de n'importe quel journaliste payé par n'importe quel lobby pour salir la fama de n'importe quelle personne par n'importe quel chef d'accusation.

Soyons sérieux… tout cela n'a aucune substance quand on sait que l'Etat ne dispose pas d'argent.. Si un journaliste est assez bête pour écrire qu'on peut voler 80 millions de dollars dans un pays comme Haiti, c'est qu'il n'est pas un vrai journaliste d'investigation.

Ces journaleux pondent des histoires abrancadabrandestesques pour les amoureux du sensationnalisme et de la propagande mal ficelée.

Maximo, il faudrait nous faire une coupure de presse plus documentée et nous présenter les rapports de la CIA, Le budget de l'Etat haitien de l'époque, les emprunts contractés par le régime de l'époque…En somme nous faire une analyse détaillée des finances publiques de l'Etat haitien afin que notre discussion puisse avoir un semblant de rationalité..

A défaut, ce serait comme diraient les haitiens.. mettre de l'eau dans un panier tissé avec des feuilles de cocotier.

Je suis sur que tu es de bonne foi.
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KHL quand j'aurai besoin d'un avocat pour une cause perdue je penserai à toi. Laughing
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En effet !N'est pas neutre qui veut
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K.H.L a écrit:
Maximo

Avec tout le respect que je te dois… L'article que tu as cité n'est pas une preuve. Si tu étais magistrat et que tu devais me juger, je préférerais me faire juger par un taliban que d'accepter de me faire juger par un juge qui présente un article comme preuve pour rendre un jugement de condamnation..

Tu sais n'importe qui peut prendre n'importe quel article, de n'importe quel journaliste payé par n'importe quel lobby pour salir la fama de n'importe quelle personne par n'importe quel chef d'accusation.

Soyons sérieux… tout cela n'a aucune substance quand on sait que l'Etat ne dispose pas d'argent.. Si un journaliste est assez bête pour écrire qu'on peut voler 80 millions de dollars dans un pays comme Haiti, c'est qu'il n'est pas un vrai journaliste d'investigation.

Ces journaleux pondent des histoires abrancadabrandestesques pour les amoureux du sensationnalisme et de la propagande mal ficelée.

Maximo, il faudrait nous faire une coupure de presse plus documentée et nous présenter les rapports de la CIA, Le budget de l'Etat haitien de l'époque, les emprunts contractés par le régime de l'époque…En somme nous faire une analyse détaillée des finances publiques de l'Etat haitien afin que notre discussion puisse avoir un semblant de rationalité..

A défaut, ce serait comme diraient les haitiens.. mettre de l'eau dans un panier tissé avec des feuilles de cocotier.

Je suis sur que tu es de bonne foi.


Mon cher KHL, vous avez demandé à Maximo, tout comme moi des preuves, il l'a bien fait. Contrairement à vous, je ne vais pas tomber dans les diatribes du genre
'' des histoires abrancadabrandestesques''

Non c'est à vous de réfuter ce qui se dit par des arguments, et non jouer au pilonnage gratuit comme vous le faites.

Incroyable vos demandez une analyse détaillée, est-ce que vous ne devriez pas commencer à démolir le réquisitoire de Luck Komisar qui donne des pistes sérieuses?

Pourquoi le régime de Preval avait-il bloqué les poursuites entamées par le gouvernement de Transition dans cette affaire?
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Rico

Avec tout le respect que je te dois, je vais te tutoyer…. Libre à toi de choisir la formule qui correspond à ton éducation…
D'ailleurs je ne vais plus utiliser le vous sur ce site.. c'est ubuesque.

Cher Rico,

Deux choses à dire. La première est une question assez bête suivie de ma réponse à ta question suivie elle même par une question pas aussi bête que la première.…

Pourquoi les haïtiens qui vivent à l'étranger ou en Haiti pensent systématiquement que toute action d'un policier, d'un fonctionnaire, d'un juge est indirectement le fait du prince?….

Si tu peux me prouver que Preval a ordonné la fermeture d'une enquête relative aux malversations d'Aristide, je suis prêt à te suivre dans ta logique. D'ailleurs, si je suis ta logique, le parquet sous autorité du ministère de la justice aurait ouvert une enquête pour finalement se rétracter…Je ne savais pas que tu avais un aussi grand sens de l'humour Rico..lol

En passant, j'observe que tu admets que'' le réquisitoire de Luck Komisar... donne des pistes . Mais alors, je ne disconviens pas qu'il y ait des pistes à explorer.

Il y a une grande différence entre une enquête et un réquisitoire. Un réquisitoire par nature apporte des indices, des commencements de preuves, des preuves aux fins de faire condamner un prévenu. Or, tu l'as admis, le papier de Mr Komisar explore des pistes..

Ma question est donc la suivante… Peut-on accuser une personne sur la base de pistes?…Si tu le penses, ce n'est plus de l'humour jovial, c'est de l'humour noir… lol

La deuxième chose que je souhaite te dire… Il y a un vieux adage latin qui dit Actori incombit probatio… Cela veut dire que c'est à celui qui allègue des faits d'apporter la preuve de ses affirmations. En droit, cela s'appelle la charge de la preuve. C'est donc à Maximo de s'astreindre à apporter la preuve des faits rapportés par Mister Komisar… je lui souhaite bonne chance… Mais j'accepte toutes les pistes...

Du reste Rico, ce n'est pas à moi d'expliquer pourquoi Preval a fait ceci ou cela… Si l'on devait procéder de cette manière..On se retrouverait dans un cercle vicieux. C'est donc à vous messieurs d'apporter des faits, des arguments, des preuves, des commencements de preuves, des témoignages, des aveux, des indices pour justifier le bien fondé de vos pistes de réflexion.

Je n'aurais absolument à ce moment là aucun problème pour débattre du bien fondé de l'accusation portée contre Aristide… Vous savez quoi, j'aime pas Aristide.. Vous savez pourquoi, je n'aime pas sa paire de lunettes.. lol

Plus sérieusement Rico, Les mots ont un sens, encore plus lorsqu'on se complait à salir la fama des gens. Je sais que tu portes attention au mot que tu utilises, tu les pèses et soupèses, je sais que tu ne les utilises pas pour faire jojo… donc tu me comprends..
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