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Beloved Haitian Mayor Continues to Serve his Community from Hiding
by Sasha Kramer ( sash [at] stanford.edu )
Tuesday Dec 21st, 2004 5:02 PM

Jean Charles Moise grew up in Milot, a rural town on the outskirts of Cap Haitien, Haiti. He was elected mayor in 1995 at the age of 27 by an overwhelming 85% of the vote and was re-elected for a second term in 2000.
He served as mayor until he was thrown out of office following the coup on February 29, 2004.

During his tenure as mayor Moise redistributed state landholdings to many landless peasants in the area, earning him great respect among the poor and powerful enemies among the elite who had previously controlled the land.

Under the Duvalier dictatorships much of the land in near Milot was owned by the state and leased to absentee landlords. These landlords would then re-lease the land to peasants at exorbitant rates up to 10 times those of the state.

There is an area just below the palace of San Souci in Milot that is named Moise in honor of the man who helped the many families that now inhabit that hillside to reclaim the land that rightfully belonged to them, as dictated by Article 74 of the Haitian Constitution.

The community of Milot has changed significantly under the Lavalas government of the past decade. Just before the coup Moise received money from the national government to fix the road in downtown Milot. After Aristide was overthrown and Moise was forced into hiding, he gave the money to a construction company to undertake the project and the road was completed several months ago.

He also worked closely with the community to build schools for children unable to attend the state public schools and many people in the outlying areas were able to send their children to school for the first time. Jean Charles Moise’s commitment to land redistribution, community development, and education programs has made him wildly popular among the poor in the Cap Haitien/Milot area.

Following the overthrow of the elected government, Moise and over 400 other duly elected mayors were forced out of office for their affiliation with Aristide’s Lavalas party. Some were replaced by appointees of the unelected interim government and other offices were left vacant, creating massive cutbacks in the provision of vital community services.

On June 17, 2004 French troops, then occupying the country, broke into Moise’s house, ransacked it and temporarily detained his wife. Moise was not home at the time and has been in hiding since, staying at a different house each night.

Despite the fact that he is in hiding Jean Charles Moise remains a powerful organizer and has continued to work with the community to implement his education and development programs.

He often speaks on the radio from a cell phone in the woods urging people to peacefully resist the ongoing political repression and hosts international delegations encouraging cross cultural participation in the development of Milot.
In the week leading up to the demonstration, ousted elected officials from throughout the north came to Milot to meet with Moise, discuss their situation with international observers and help organize the event. International observers interviewed several dozen men who were serving as elected officials in municipal government prior to the coup who have since been forced into hiding. All of the ousted officials that met with our group of observers agreed that it was critical for them to remain a presence in their communities even if unable to return to their homes so that they could continue with the programs they had begun and fulfill their commitment to their constituencies.

In the week leading up to the demonstration in Cap Haitien on December 16, I and several other residents of the Bay Area had the honor of accompanying Moise as human rights observers.

Due to continuing safety concerns, Moise had not been in public since August 14 when he made a brief appearance at the first Lavalas demonstration in the north of Haiti since the coup. The presence of international observers provided him enough security for him to go out in public; we spent many hours walking the streets and trails of Milot and witnessed hundreds of jubilant reunions.

We also accompanied Moise to a meeting with the UN and spoke with the Haitian National Police in Cap Haitien and officials within the justice department regarding his plan to attend the demonstration on December 16.

The press liason for the National Police said that they did not have a warrant for Moise and did not plan to arrest him during the demonstration. He also stated that the National Police would provide what security they could for the demonstration but emphasized that they were lacking in resources and could not face the former military alone without the backing of the UN. UN officers that we spoke with also pointed out a distinction between the regular police force and the CIMO-SWAT units who often differ in their approach, with SWAT teams frequently engaging in intimidation and illegal arrests of Aristide supporters.

An anonymous source within the Cap Haitien justice department urged Moise not to attend the demonstration saying that the government recognizes him as a serious threat and could pay someone to kill him. Moise responded to this warning by insisting that he attend the demonstration, saying “I believe in the population, they will protect me”.

On the day of the march Jean Charles Moise was true to his word. He watched the demonstration pass from the safety of people’s houses until the marchers reached the road leading to the monument of Vertiere then slipped into the crowd unannounced.

As in August the crowd went wild, immediately surrounding him to protect him with their bodies and ushering him to the monument where he spoke. Although most people could not hear his words until later that night on the radio the crowd was clearly moved by his presence and cheered triumphantly throughout his speech.
Moise remarked after the demonstration that he had received smiles from some of the UN troops and even seen several police officers giving him the thumbs up during his speech.

Perhaps having witnessed this peaceful demonstration and Moise’s historical appearance at Vertiere on December 16 will move the Chilean UN to establish closer connections with Lavalas organizers in the north.

Perhaps the knowledge of how much Moise is loved and the powerful role he can play as a peacemaker in his communities will compel the UN to lend him greater protection. Or perhaps their vision will remain clouded by misinformation.

Unfortunately, just as surely as some within the UN and National Police may feel more inclined to protect Moise, others linked to the former military and unelected government are likely to feel threatened by his appearance at Vertiere making him a more high profile target for illegal arrest or assassination.

It is critical that the international community continue to monitor the situation so that the authorities know that communities abroad care about our brothers and sisters in Haiti.


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Le gros roseau a écrit:
mwen toujou diw yon akisatyon pa yon kondanatyon.ou pa ka lenmi yon moun pou jij li an menm tan.Lè nou ap touye pitit pep la se lod nap mete men lè yo fè nou peye pou krim nou te konn fè kont yo se yo ki kriminel nespa.Si Francois Benoit ta fè yon katouch fè kolisyon ak tet moun ki te boule papa l ak manmanl ak madanm ak pitit li yo eske li se kriminel?nou nou ka pale sak te pase 20 lane de sa men lot moun pa genyen dwa pale sak te pase 50 lane de sa ki fe sak te pase 20 lane pase yo te pase.

Sa se refleksyon yon fache ou byen yon fachis ....?????Moise Jean Charles pandan tout lanne sa yo te kouve anba pwoteksyon beau corps preval e pa yon leta konplis ...Se onsa fachis kreyol ak sipote li fonksyone !
konya li pa bezwen prev anko lap pale de kou pou kou...Eh byen jou a la !
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Yo akize MATELI ke l te manm FRAPH;nèg di kote prèv.Se yon fè ke MATELI t ap siyonnnen PÒTOPRENS bradsi bradsou ak SWIT MIKI FRANSWA.
MATELI te tèlman enplike ke misye te kraze rak ,lè l te tande ARISTIDE ap tounen.
Wi MOYIZ JANCHAL te komèt krim ,yo te akize l ke l te komèt krim ;menm jan ak akizasyon yo te fè sou NEPTUNE,JEAN JUSTE,MATHELIER,DAUPHIN elt..
Radyo ak jounal GNBis yo ,se te yon karyè yo te fè pou yo akize moun ,sitou sila yo ki gen kapasite mobilizasyon tankou MOYIZ JANCHAL.
Mwen pa bay akizasyon sa yo ,absoliman okenn enpotans.
Kontinye bak ou JANCHAL,pa kite vagabon entimide w;kontinye frape di pou zòt pa tonbe lan deriv DIVALYERIS.

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Se saa ke m konnen...

Men tankou tokay wou Roseau ta di: Men nan ki tribinal ke Martelly genyen manda? Pou konbyen krim ke yo enkilpe l deja? Nan konbyen ankèt ke li enplike?

Fwa saa, wou pa ka di ke Thunder oubyen Kakakok non k ap bay misye dosye? Nonm nan se yon asasen renome ki abitye manje moun pou patron l nan Tabarre lan. Li de menm souch ke Nahoun, Jocelerm Privert, Ronald Kadav... menm ansyen vanpi ki abitye rale san pèp lan pòt bay Aristide.

Se dwa w pou w mande l kòm Prezidan, paske se dwa tout moun pou yo reve, menm lè rèv lan fè moun saa pase pou yon tèt pa dwat.
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Se saa ke m konnen...

Men tankou tokay wou Roseau ta di: Men nan ki tribinal ke Martelly genyen manda? Pou konbyen krim ke yo enkilpe l deja? Nan konbyen ankèt ke li enplike?

Fwa saa, wou pa ka di ke Thunder oubyen Kakakok non k ap bay misye dosye? Nonm nan se yon asasen renome ki abitye manje moun pou patron l nan Tabarre lan. Li de menm souch ke Nahoun, Jocelerm Privert, Ronald Kadav... menm ansyen vanpi ki abitye rale san pèp lan pòt bay Aristide.

Se dwa w pou w mande l kòm Prezidan, paske se dwa tout moun pou yo reve, menm lè rèv lan fè moun saa pase pou yon tèt pa dwat.


Al chita yon kote.An pa MATELI prezidan ;ki sa k fè pou MOYIZ JANCHAL paka prezidan ?
Depatman NÒ an eli l SENATÈ ;si m sonje se te lan premye tou.
Lan bagay ke w ap rele NAHOUM,PRIVERT asasen an ;se wou k ap reve.

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Non se pa sa depi se martelly menm si se 10% popilatyon ki vote pou li manda li ya legal men depi se Aristide ou byen Moise Jean Charles kelke swa kantite ayisyen ki vote pou yo se Preval ki fè yo presidan ou byen senatè.Guy philippe ak chamblain ak manb fraph yo te met touye 3/4 ayisyen mete di fe nan Pelig se lod yo tap mete se korektyon demokratik yo tap fè men depi yo fè yon katouch fè kolisyon ak moun ki tap masiminen pep la se krim sa ye.
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Men zak ak pozisyon Moyiz Janchal an 2004.
Pou sak pa konnen.
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Background information of the Mayor of Milo:
ZNet | Haiti
Haiti's Murderous Army Reborn
by Jean Charles Moise; Pacific News Service; March 14, 2004

Editor's Note: A mayor from northern Haiti currently in hiding says that the Haitian army is back in force, shooting people and burning homes. How could this happen, he asks -- and where are they getting the all the heavy weaponry?

CAP HAITIAN, Haiti -- I am the mayor of Milo, a district of about 50,000 people near Cap Haitian. When I was elected nine years ago, at the age of 28, I was the youngest to serve in that office in Haiti's modern history.

I've traveled in the United States on speaking tours, telling Americans about how we were building democracy in Haiti under the Aristide government. In late February my district came under attack by anti-Aristide forces and I fled for my life. From where I am now -- hiding in the woods -- I see the old Haitian army is back.
Those they don't kill, they lock up in containers, because they burned down the jails. The kind of containers you put on ships.

The situation is different here from what I hear about in Port-au-Prince, where you have the multinational force of American, Canadian, Chilean soldiers.

In Cap Haitian you have the former Haitian military.
There are no police any more, so they are the ones who are law. They come into your home. They take you, they beat you up, they kill you. They burn down homes. They do anything they want, because they are the only law in town.

The journalists are in Port-au-Prince, but here in the north no one is reporting what's going on, that the former Haitian military is killing people. They are killing about 50 people a day in Cap Haitian. It's happening not just in the northern department but also in the central plateau, in the Artibone region.

Can you imagine that on Monday at 2 p.m. the former military declared a curfew that would start at 4 p.m.?
The peasants, many of them are poor and do not have a radio, so how could they hear of this curfew?
So what happened at 4 p.m.?
The former military took to the streets and anyone they saw on the streets they shot.
This is the kind of stuff that is going on. Can you imagine this?

We have people like myself, mayors and other members of the municipal government who have had to flee and are now sleeping in the woods, and have gone to the mountains. We have church members and priests who have been beaten and whose cars have been destroyed. These people are also in hiding. We could never have imagined that we would be going back to this situation that existed before.

It is intolerable.

Since this whole thing started I haven't seen my wife and my children. I have been in hiding. This cannot continue. This is a catastrophe for the north of Haiti and all the people of Haiti.

One has to ask, why is all of this happening?
Is this because we used to have only 10 public high schools but now we have over 150?

Is it because we made a democracy where people could go in the streets, protest, and be free to say whatever they want?

Is it because black people in the country now, people who were poor and always kept out of the political life of the country, they have come out and have been participating in democracy? Is that why they have unleashed this terror on us?
Is that what we are paying for?

We ask these questions: Is it because the United States blocked international assistance to Haiti to make people rise up against the president, but they never did?
Is it because people here are continuing to support their president?

Is that why we are getting all this repression? We have to ask those questions.

We wonder whether it is because the army that used to exist before was disbanded by President Aristide. Instead of defending the people, that army used to carry out a war against us. Is it because that army is no longer there that someone has rearmed it and brought it back to Haiti with very powerful weapons?

Now the old army is doing what they used to do before, except with more powerful weapons and with helicopters. They are drowning people in the sea. That's what going on.

The press is reporting the looting that is taking place in Port au Prince but they are not reporting about the police stations that were burned and destroyed here in the north.
They are not reporting on the number of schools that have been destroyed.
They are not reporting on the burning of the airport in Cap Haitian and all the other things that were built under the government of President Aristide for the Haitian people.

I cannot understand how a group of disbanded military has access to such sophisticated equipment and heavy weaponry. They have two helicopters and they have two airplanes. They use the helicopter to transport their troops and they use them at night with spotlights to look for people in hiding. They are in the air and they have their troops on the ground.

These are the questions we ask ourselves as we hide from those with the guns..



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Mayor Jean Charles Moise spoke with PNS contributors Lyn Duff and Dennis Bernstein via cell phone. The interview originally aired on Pacifica Radio's Flashpoints show (KPFA FM 94.1 in Berkeley, Calif.). Duff is a freelance writer who has reported widely on Haiti since 1995. Bernstein is the executive producer of Flashpoints.

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See, The Haitian Leadership Networks' 7 "men anpil chaj pa lou" (Kreyol for - "Many hands make light a heavy load.") campaigns to help restore Haiti's independence, the will of the mass electorate and the rule of law.

See: www.margueritelaurent.com/*/haitianlawyers.html & www.margueritelaurent.com/*/campaigns.html
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Messye mwen we ke nou tout ap voye fle la. E mwen etone ke ke nou ap bay youn paket inpotans avek youn byografi tet chat ke youn ti aktivis mal oryante fe pou Moise. Mwen konnen gneyen youn paket bagay ki pa nan biografy sa.

Antou ka map pwofite di Kakakok ke mwen ka dako avek anpil bagay ke li di sou Moise, men youn nan sa mwen pap dako ke li di se ke Moise pat fe menm class sinkiem seconde. Nou gendwa genyen pwoblem avek neg la men fok nou pa fe menm jan avek neg lavalas kokorat yo ki kwe nan demagoji ak manti selman.
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Joel a écrit:
Thunder a écrit:
Se saa ke m konnen...

Men tankou tokay wou Roseau ta di: Men nan ki tribinal ke Martelly genyen manda? Pou konbyen krim ke yo enkilpe l deja? Nan konbyen ankèt ke li enplike?

Fwa saa, wou pa ka di ke Thunder oubyen Kakakok non k ap bay misye dosye? Nonm nan se yon asasen renome ki abitye manje moun pou patron l nan Tabarre lan. Li de menm souch ke Nahoun, Jocelerm Privert, Ronald Kadav... menm ansyen vanpi ki abitye rale san pèp lan pòt bay Aristide.

Se dwa w pou w mande l kòm Prezidan, paske se dwa tout moun pou yo reve, menm lè rèv lan fè moun saa pase pou yon tèt pa dwat.


Al chita yon kote.An pa MATELI prezidan ;ki sa k fè pou MOYIZ JANCHAL paka prezidan ?
Depatman NÒ an eli l SENATÈ ;si m sonje se te lan premye tou.
Lan bagay ke w ap rele NAHOUM,PRIVERT asasen an ;se wou k ap reve.

MOYIZ JANCHAL AN 2016

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Joel a écrit:
KAMI;
S il te di ""byen bande"" tankou MATELI sa w t ap di ;se pa vilgè sèlman ou t ap rele misye non.
Mwen pa janm tande li touye okenn moun,ke li te patisipe lan bann ATOUFÈ.MATELI limenm ,yo di ke l te manm FRAPH ,ki dapre COHA te pi mal ke TONTON MAKOUT yo.
Lokatè PALÈ NASYONAL lan pa gen anyen pou l aprann MOISE JEAN CHARLES.

Pou moun ki ta vle bliye sa TONTONMAKOUT ak FRAPH te ye ,men yon atik ke ""think tank"" ki rele COHA a te pibliye lane dènyè

Joel,

Moise Jean Charles se yon deklase du Nord, epi ouminm wap cheche reabilitel?, minm moun lakay li pa vle wel yo dil rete Potoprins yo pa vlel ankor; Laplipa moun nan Nor di ke se yon dezoner kel ye pou yo.

O mwen jenes ayisyen lan ak anpil anti-lavalas vote e vle Sweet Miki.

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Li deklase epi yo eli l SENATÈ.
Moun lan nò yo te gen di l pa tounen.Kisa l fè pou yo te gen tan di l sa?

Pou mwenmenm ,eleksyon MATELI an se yon aberasyon.Sa rive lan NICARAGUA,SALVADOR elt..men pèp yo korije yo.

MATELI pa p delivre anyen ;moun ki alantou l yo pa p kite l delivre l.
Nou pakab dirije san se pa ak yon rejim otoritè e se la nou pral kase ren nou.
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Joel a écrit:
Li deklase epi yo eli l SENATÈ.
Moun lan nò yo te gen di l pa tounen.Kisa l fè pou yo te gen tan di l sa?

Pou mwenmenm ,eleksyon MATELI an se yon aberasyon.Sa rive lan NICARAGUA,SALVADOR elt..men pèp yo korije yo.

MATELI pa p delivre anyen ;moun ki alantou l yo pa p kite l delivre l.
Nou pakab dirije san se pa ak yon rejim otoritè e se la nou pral kase ren nou.

Li eli menm jan ak tout senatè INITE yo ke Preval te seleksyone ak KEP kwoupyon an an 2010, se pat on eleksyon men on nominasyon, Jan Chal pat dwe menm ka kandida vi pase'l e kont li gen pou rann a la jistis, men kòm dabitid Preval pwan on pakèt chime e li nome yo depite ou senatè.
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Maximo a écrit:
Joel a écrit:
Li deklase epi yo eli l SENATÈ.
Moun lan nò yo te gen di l pa tounen.Kisa l fè pou yo te gen tan di l sa?

Pou mwenmenm ,eleksyon MATELI an se yon aberasyon.Sa rive lan NICARAGUA,SALVADOR elt..men pèp yo korije yo.

MATELI pa p delivre anyen ;moun ki alantou l yo pa p kite l delivre l.
Nou pakab dirije san se pa ak yon rejim otoritè e se la nou pral kase ren nou.

Li eli menm jan ak tout senatè INITE yo ke Preval te seleksyone ak KEP kwoupyon an an 2010, se pat on eleksyon men on nominasyon, Jan Chal pat dwe menm ka kandida vi pase'l e kont li gen pou rann a la jistis, men kòm dabitid Preval pwan on pakèt chime e li nome yo depite ou senatè.


Vi pase l e kont pou l rann a la jistis ;menm jan ak NEPTUNE,pè JANJIS ,MATHELIER elt..
Si l pa t mawon ,li t ap pran prizon menm jan ak mesye sa yo.
Sispann mesye ak bagay nou yo ;se bonèt nou t ap taye pou mesye LAVALAS yo apre koudeta a.
Mwen sonje NAHOUM MARCELLUS te blije kraze rak ;misye te blije vin jwenn fanmi l lan NOUYÒK ,si se pa t sa nou t ap mete l lan prizon tou .
Mwen te konn tande l sou ""show"" FANMILAVALAS sou RADYO SOLÈY.
PHILIPPE,CHAMBLAIN,t ap paweze ,tandis ke se mesye sa yo ki t ap manje prizon ;noumenm ap mande pou BERNARD ""NAZI"" GOUSSE vin minis la JISTIS
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Moïse JEAN CHARLES a cependant eu le temps de prendre la fuite. Moïse JEAN CHARLES est aussi impliqué dans les événements survenus au Cap-Haïtien le 6 avril 2003. En effet, au cours d’une manifestation organisée par des membres de l’opposition au pouvoir d’alors, des partisans lavalas ayant à leur tête Moïse JEAN CHARLES et Nawoon MARCELLUS ont ouvert le feu sur les manifestants faisant un mort, Donald JULMISTE, et un blessé Evens LUCIEN.

Kife la-a Moise pa sipoze peye pou 2 krim sa yo ke nou konen kel te komet paske se lavalasyen kel ye? Si yo aretel la pran prizon tankou Neptune, pa vre, lavalsyen pa dwe ni juje ni peye pou krim ke yo komet dapre justis pa ou.

Mwen pa vle kwe nan zyeum non Joel, neg la touye et blese yon lot sitoyen devan moun, epi wap defan-n li, li pa dwe al nan prizon. Nou minm lavalasyen nou te dwe ront pale e defann yon neg konsa.

What a shame pou yon moun eduke tankou Joel, ap epole e aplodi yon malfekter konsa. Mad
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Poukisa ou pa mande pou Chamblain ak Guy philippe peye pou krim ke yo te komet nan peyi ya tou?
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Le gros roseau a écrit:
Poukisa ou pa mande pou Chamblain ak Guy philippe peye pou krim ke yo te komet nan peyi ya tou?

Guy Philippe est en cavale et est recherche par les autorites judiciaires et militaires. Quant a Chamblain il mene la vie tranquille et n'a pas ete reconnu coupable des faits reproches par notre systeme judiciaire.

Ou konen yon bagay ban-n vye repons san respe pour le droit e la justice sa yo, mwen paka supote yo ankor. J'en ai assez!. Ou minm ak Joel se enem nou ye epi nap trase movez egzanp pou mwen ak lot jen moun sou fowom nan. Map pran dezou twa jou off sou fowom nan poum kapab al laver pansem e retire nan sevom ban-n vye ide saugrenue sa yo ke nap enonse sou fowom nan, mwen per pou nou pa kontaminem.

Je suis une personne completement verticale qui refuse de voir iniquite jouer le role predominant dans les actions des hommes. Au revoir!
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KAMI;

Pa vin banm sa .Yo te wè JANCHAL touye moun ,menm jan se NEPTUNE te fè masak LA SIRI an.
Ou te la ?
Se pa pwopagann ;menm jan JANJIS te dèyè sasinaj JAK RÒCH lan.
Mwenmenm ,mwen pa kwè lan sa mesye yo ap di.
Tankou ROZO di l ;poukisa ou pa mande pou yo mete PHILIPPE ak CHAMBLAIN anba kòd.Yomenm yo revandike zak sasinay wi.
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Joel

mwen tap gade nan televisyon kote neg Fraph yo tap tire sou yon manifestatyon lavalas a bou potan,loterejou la sou latortue ya se menm bagay la ki fet ou pa janm tande yo mande jistis pou moun sa yo non.mwen ta renmen mande yo si Sou JCD moun ta pran la ri pou jete Duvalier sak tap pase moun sa yo.Eske himler Rhebu te ka fè yon manifestatyon o Cap kont JCD san ke anyen pat rive l.eske genyen anket ki te fet ki te montre ke bal ki te blese moun yo ou byen touye yo se nan zam Senatè Jean charles li te soti?
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Tout sa nou di la yo mwen ka di menm bagay la pou lè GNB tap fè manifestasyon, anpil manifestan tonbe anba bal chimè ak la polis, pye rektè inivèsite kase, la polis arete Baker paske li tap manifesye kont Aristide misye fè plizyè jou prizon ak plizyè lot manifestan.

Wap akize Chamblain, li pase devan jij natirèl li yo twouve'l inosan e yo lage'l donk pawol Chamblain sa ta dwe sispann, li jije. Kounye la bal yo te jwen nan ko lavalasyen ki mouri yo mwen ka ale sou menm pwensip ou a, eske yo te pwouve se nan Revolvè Toto Konstan ou X ou Y ke bal sa yo te soti? Tout vye defans tèt an ba nap fè yo mwen ka fè yo tou sou lot moun nap akize yo. Mesye pwan tèt nou e sispann di nenpot ki sa.
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MAXIMO;

Se pou w pa melanje bagay yo non.Pa gen yon sèl GNBis ki te jije pou zak yo te komèt pandan peryòd destabilizasyon an e apre.Yo pa t arete yo non plis

Se pa t pou sa CHAMBLAIN te fè pandan peryòd sa a ke l te jije ;se kase KASASYON te kase jijman MASAK RABOTO an sou pretandi ""vis de fòm"".Si w ka sonje ,CHAMBLAIN te kondane a prizon a vi ,lan yon jijman ki te gen obsèvatè etranje,espesyalis lan ""forensics"" elt..
CHAMBLAIN pa t jije pou sa l te fè an 2003,2004.
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kami a écrit:
Le gros roseau a écrit:
Poukisa ou pa mande pou Chamblain ak Guy philippe peye pou krim ke yo te komet nan peyi ya tou?

Guy Philippe est en cavale et est recherche par les autorites judiciaires et militaires. Quant a Chamblain il mene la vie tranquille et n'a pas ete reconnu coupable des faits reproches par notre systeme judiciaire.

Ou konen yon bagay ban-n vye repons san respe pour le droit e la justice sa yo, mwen paka supote yo ankor. J'en ai assez!. Ou minm ak Joel se enem nou ye epi nap trase movez egzanp pou mwen ak lot jen moun sou fowom nan. Map pran dezou twa jou off sou fowom nan poum kapab al laver pansem e retire nan sevom ban-n vye ide saugrenue sa yo ke nap enonse sou fowom nan, mwen per pou nou pa kontaminem.

Je suis une personne completement verticale qui refuse de voir iniquite jouer le role predominant dans les actions des hommes. Au revoir!



KAMI OU GINYEN REZON MWEN PRESKE FE MINME BAGAY AK WOU FOK MARC KONNIN LE LI GINYEN YUN ASASEN SOU FORUN LI FOK LI RADYE LI POU SA LI YE WI ROSEAU C DE WOU MAP PALE OU LAGE TOU BAGAY OU TE FE SOU DUVALIER LAN FIGU MOUN E MWEN WE MARC AP TOLERE OU LA MWEN MINM MWEN PA MELANJE AK ASASEN YO APWAN MWEN KOMAN SEVI AVEK YO.
MAP GADE SI YO PAP RADYE OU SOU FORUM LA DE LA MA PWAN DESIZYON MWEN MWEN PA KON JWE AVEK MALPWOPRETE.

OU C YUNE LAN BAGAY KI FE DILIBON KITE FORUM LI TWO HONET POU LI CHITA LAN PALE AVEK WOU.
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Prezans ROZO endispansab;se li ki anpeche nou ""hijack"" fowòm lan ,jan nou te fè l sa gen kèk tan de sa
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Zouke mwen deja di'w ou pa kouri pou moun, sitou moun ki pa gen anyen nan djakout yo.
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Joel a écrit:
Prezans ROZO endispansab;se li ki anpeche nou ""hijack"" fowòm lan ,jan nou te fè l sa gen kèk tan de sa


JOEL SI C CHAMBLAIN KI TE DI SA ROSEAU DI SOU FORUM SA PA TA GINYEN ENRYEN KI POU TA LAVE LI.
C LA PREZIDAN MARTELLY GINYEN REZON LE LI DI OU K REKONET YUN LAVALAS FASIL LI PA GINYEN AUKIN MORALITE DEPI BAGAY LA BON POU LI .
NOU LED LAB FIGI MOUN NOU BEZWEN YON BON CHIRIJI ESTETIK
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Maximo a écrit:
Zouke mwen deja di'w ou pa kouri pou moun, sitou moun ki pa gen anyen nan djakout yo.

MAXIMO C PA YUN AFE DE KOURI TI RAT SA YO A YUN SEL MIN MAP SOUKE YO TOU 2 ANSAM C YUN AFE DE DEGOUTANS NEG YO FE OU ENVI VOMI.
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Joel ou pa beswen okipe ti makout la non.Depi se verite moun ap di sou sak te pase li bouche ni jel ni zorey li poul pa tande ou konprann saw di ya. li vire pawol la poul fè konprann ke se wou ki koupab gen lè li konprann li ka zombifye tout moun menm jan ak li.li pa konn anyen de istwa peyi ya ;e ni li pa beswen konnen sak te pase paske sa fè konsyans li twouble.Li pat vle mwen di ke mwen te dekode yon mesaj ke Duvalier te voye ba komandan distrik jeremie apre ke yo te finn transmet li poum te konnen sa li voye di paske mwen te dekode yon lot ki te nan registre Servis transmissyon kote tout mesaje ki transmet pou la jounen ekri.se pa mwen sel ki te konn fè sa .Map fout ekril ankò se komandan distri militè jeremie ki te voye yon mesaj ba Duvalier poul te sigjere ke li fè pep la piye kal milat Jeremie.apre Duvalier te voye yon mesaj ba li poul te dil poul pini paran rebel yo.se sak fè neg yo fè vèpre jeremie an.Sak pa kontan anbake.

Li mande maximo pou edel twouve kote mwen te ekir ke mwne te resevwa lajna nan men Duvlaier de la men a la men jiska presan mwen wè ni li ni Maximo pa fouti montre kote mwen te ekri sa.Li mantè epi li se yon ti diktatè ki pa ta vle moun ekri sak te pase.men kan se pou yo denigre Moise Jean Charles ak Dr Aristide nanpren moun ki ap mande pou radye yo sou forum lan.Si mwen ak joel te nan plantatyon duvalier yo li te mennen nou ti tanyen lontan deja.
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