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Bill Clinton is always happy to give a hand to Haiti.

Some say, Martelly is Bill's "right hand man" in Haiti.

What do you say?
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 11:19

Did Bill Clinton really say he considers Martelly to be one of the most articulated leaders of Haiti, over the past 30 years?

If yes, what are the sources, media references for this or other statements? Could it be that he was misunderstood, misquoted, his words wrongly translated?

Please share your findings with us as we will do the same here on this thread.

Here is a brief excerpt from Eric Pierre's article "Bill Clinton et nous"
"Il (Clinton) n’hésite pas non plus à dire du bien des présidents haïtiens avec lesquels il a eu l’occasion de collaborer....considérant le président Martelly comme l’un des leaders haïtiens le plus articulés des trente dernières années"

"He (Clinton) does not hesitate to speak well of Haitian presidents with whom he had the opportunity to work .... considering President Martelly as one of the most well spoken Haitian leaders of the last thirty years"
http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article12132
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 12:51

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Did Bill Clinton really say he considers Martelly to be one of the most articulated leaders of Haiti, over the past 30 years?
If yes, what are the sources, media references for this or other statements? Could it be that he was misunderstood, misquoted, his words wrongly translated?
Bill Clinton pa di ke Michel Martelly pale angle mem jan ak regn d'Angleterre ou byen yon akademisyen.
Li di ke an passan par JC Duvalier, Manigat, Preval, Aristide rive jiska Michel Martelly, Martelly pli "artikile" ke tout lot mesye chef Deta sa yo.

Malgre fot gramatikal ke'l fe memm jan ak tout moun d'ailleurs.Li vire lang li pi byen ke tout lot mesye sa yo e blan konprand sa'l lap di a. san ke'l pa pase nan fe shelbe ni pale de brain ak macroneon ki atache ak milion lot neon.... yon band rans.

Pa bliye ke Martelly se w gran orater li konnen kijan pou'l arangue piplik la nan tout lang!
Street angle Martelly tre cler, direk e konprehansib!
Se sa ke Bill Clinton antand par "artikile"!

Nou pa trouve pou kise ke sa fe nou mal deske Bill Clinton fe observasyon saa. Nan tout gwo dizer nou yo, yon pakab paret devan Martelly.
......Petet Aristide!
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 13:24

Gran oratè se moun ki konn de ki sa y'ap pale. Shit!
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 13:33

I have been in Haiti in December, the people seem to be very optimistic about the future.

Even if I have been opposing Martelly since the begining, the bald head dude seems to be doing a good job so far.
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 13:44

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I have been in Haiti in December, the people seem to be very optimistic about the future.
Even if I have been opposing Martelly since the begining, the bald head dude seems to be doing a good job so far.
Undeniably!! Pa gen manti nan saa!!

Sanble ke mesye sa yo gen yon problem ak Sweet Mickey men yo pa jamb fe yon efo pou vreman we prezidan peyi Dayiti, Michel J. Martelly.
Blan yo gen dosye Martelly nan men yo, sepandan se akt avek aksyon ke neg saa ak tout equip li yo ki interese pep la e assistans internasyonal la.
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 17:31

Alex Jacques, some money is circulating in the country and the Martelly team has invested heavily in public relations....but you cannot build a national road network, a health care system, an education system, an agricultural system, a nation on good propaganda - not even with the help of the best 'experts' in the art.

If you read what French writers were saying about Jean-Pierre Boyer around 1826, you would also think Haiti had never had such 'articulate' and 'visionary leader'. These folks are talking about their own interests. And, yes, when they find a leader who protects their socio-economic interest, they support him politically and help him find sources of funds - not big money to build national infrastructure - just enough to get an entourage rich, control the masses and maintain the status quo.

Miki is 'touskilfo' because he started out already compromised and vulnerable to blackmail. He is 100% dependable. That's the kind of 'leader' the empires like to have to deal with.

2 years after goudougoudou, billions of dollars collected in the name of Haiti are nowhere to be found. Over 7000 people killed by the U.N. brought cholera bacterium....500,000 living in the streets under makeshift tents....and every week, the president and a large entourage goes 'wine and cheesing' in private jet.....The carnival will help spread some money here and there and the trick is done. How long can the smoke screen work its magic?

Tankou mwen te di nan 'Du Code Noir au Code Rural'
https://www.forumhaiti.com/t13749-du-code-noir-au-code-rural?highlight=code+rural
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Se ak "remote control" peyi a ap dirije. Ou gen pou ou tande tout kalite pawol nan bouch Martelly. Ou konprann se yon aza, apre misye fenk sot pran pataswèl li te pran pandan li te Miami a, li rantre Ayiti, kote li oblije mete anpil dlo nan bouch li....epi toudenkou misye se nan direksyon Kiba ak Venezuela li vwayaje... Se divèzyon k ap fèt. Blan yo pa bezwen idantite "popetwèl" misye a parèt two evidan non plis.

Manufacturing dissent! Sa ou kwè ou ap gade a, se pa sa li ye! Pandan nèg yo ap pale agoch, y ap vanse adwat!

E yo maryonetis yo konnen jan anpil nan nou renmen espektak...talè yo pral debake ak Bono, kanaval, bèl gwouyad...blan bon kè di 2 mo kreyol - epi "bravooooo!" Nou bliye ko nou nan espektal pandan peyi a ap vann....

Annatandan yo gen tan ap prepare yon lot popetwèl touskilfo pou sizoka osnon pou pi devan....Nèg "moderé" yo!
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 22:37

Mwen pa yon scholar tankou Bill clinton ni mwen pa genyen foli saa non plis men map mande pou ki sa li di ke martelly se yonn nan presidan ayisyen de 30 lane ki sot pase ki articule pi byen;Mwen pa konn ki definityon Clinton bay mo articule ya ki pou mwen siyifi yon moun ki genyen yon ezans de langage poul eksprime panse li klerman.eske se vre Michel martelly pale angle "fluently."mwen pa konnen paske mwen pa janm tande li ap pale angle pou lontan.e nan moun ki konn pale franseuuu byen Martellly pa ka paret devan yon moun tankou marc bazin.ki dapre mwen se yon nan politisyen ayisyen pou mwen ki reyelman genyen yon ezans de langaj ke an franseuu ke an angle.Petet martelly ka pi bon pase Jean claude Duvalier,Rene Preval e Manigat .Men devan oratè ayisyen ki konn pale ak fasilite Martelly se yon ti apranti.

mwen premye fwa mwen tande marc Bazin nan PBS ak Jim lehrer mwen te reyelman enpresyone.non selman pou diktyon li men jan li te konpran pwoblem peyi ya.e men regret anpil se pa marc Bazin ki te Presidan a la plas d'Aristide.mwen pa di ke Aristide se yon move Presidan non men pou mwen Aristide te manke matirite malgre konpasyon e amou li pou pep la.Kalite sa yo enpotan se vre men yo pa sifi pou dirije yon peyi difisil tankou ayiti.mwen kwè si se marc Bazin ki te presidan jodya peyi ya ta pi lwen.
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 23:09

The "hand" in question that Bill claims to have "given to Haiti" is that which he uses to dangle the puppet. In other words, ever so modest Bill is actually paying himself a subtle compliment by claiming his puppet to be the most "articulate" Haitian leader of the past 30 years. Indeed, only Bill knows what he is talking about!

Here is another quote that speaks to the high esteem Bill Clinton has for his "right hand man" in Haiti:

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“Haiti has always needed someone to make a decision,” said Clinton. “This man will make a decision.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/21/michel-martelly-haiti-s-new-president-gets-mixed-reviews.html

You must admit, Monica's friend really has a wicked sense of humour!
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MessageSujet: Re: The Clintons' Martelly !   The Clintons' Martelly ! EmptyLun 30 Jan 2012 - 23:22

"Anyone visiting the country almost has to have a driver to get around—not a situation conducive to tourism. In addition, a recent devastating report by the International Crisis Group paints a picture of a very unsafe country, vulnerable to drug trafficking, violence, and overall lawlessness. The report estimates that Haiti needs 20,000 police officers to protect its population, 10,000 more than it has."

men yon genyen yon Minis du tourisme.se bagay saa wi mwen konn ap pale .dirjan ayisyen tankou yon moun ki genyen lide fè yon faktory men anvan menm li komanse pwodwi sal vle vann lan se demachè li anploye ki finn pran tout kapital li genyen yan.Yo pa genyen lajan pou yo menm mete nan ministè agrikilti pou otosifisans alimantè men lamothe vle ouvri plis anbasad an afrik.Michel martelly ap gaspiye resous peyi ya pou li al fè touris an Swiss.e se nonm saa bill clinton ap louwe tnakou li se yon sovè pou peyi ya.Clinton ak tout madanm li fè m sezi.Gen lè se vre devan green back genyen moun ki pa nan fè back yap anbrase menm Lusifer.
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