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MessageSujet: Is Coicou a "good family" name like say: Brandt, Handal?   Is Coicou a "good family" name like say: Brandt, Handal? EmptyLun 26 Nov 2012 - 23:23

This is what we wrote back in 2005 when there were already many signs that rich people in Haiti were involved in major crimes, including kidnappings....

Citation :
Millionaire Stanley Handal Arrested on Kidnapping Charges?
http://www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive-new/msg26407.html

To: "Bob Corbett's Haiti list" <haiti@lists.webster.edu>
Subject: 26081: Saint-Vil (comment) Millionaire Stanley Handal Arrested on Kidnapping Charges? (fwd)
From: Bob Corbett <corbetre@webster.edu>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:06:39 -0500 (CDT)


From: Jean Saint-Vil <jafrikayiti@hotmail.com>


News broke two days ago that a key organizer of the kidnapping wave that
caused so many deaths and so much suffering to Haitians in the past year
have been finally caught.

http://www.radiokiskeya.com/article.php3?id_article=1169

The arrest of Stanley Handal, a multi-millionaire suspected to be a ring
leader of the kidnapping enterprise, seems to corroborate the many
reports which suggested all along that the materminds of the kidnapping
phenomenon are rich and powerful individuals from Haiti’s ruling elite
who have powerful connections in the banking industry and within a
faction of the post-coup government, and who, as identified by the
Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, are the primary owners of firearm stocks
in the country.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=55&ItemID=8165

Nonetheless, Lavalas political activists or suspected sympathisers of the
deposed constitutional president continue to be scapegoated and marked
for elimination on the pretext that the regime and its
foreign accomplices are « fighting bandits ».

Most disturbing of all, in the last few weeks, news broke that the
Police had distributed machetes and supervised numerous public lynchings
in the poor neighborhoods.

We are receiving frequent on the ground reports of major UN/MINUSTAH
operations in the poor neighborhoods like Cite Soleil. The last such
operation, which was well-documented, resulted in the deaths of several
dozen civilians. Independent journalist and fimmaker Kevin Pina wrote an
emergency appeal about the coming massacre on August 18th, 2005, where he
writes:

"If the UN goes ahead with its plan for a second major military incursion
against Cite Soleil, it is guaranteed the number of casualties will far
exceed July 6th and further tarnish and expose the real role of the UN in
guaranteeing the coup of Feb. 28, 2004."

http://haitiaction.net/News/KP/8_18_5/8_18_5.html

As early as June of this year, the Police spokeperson who refused to
divulgate the identity of a detainee suspected of involvement in
kidnappings, shamelessly intervening to protect his « good family name »,
was lamenting to reporters how "there are people of good family and high
social level that unfortunately are involved in kidnappings,"


So, why are the poor still the target of such senseless repression?

Any investigative journalist or government or U.N. officials online
willing to comment ?

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du temps où, tous, nous fûmes encore dans les antrailles de
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Is it not ironic, that the Police Spokesperson I referred to in the above note, Jessie Comeau Coicou, has now been named among 79 Police Officers the U.N. considers too corrupt to be in the force....a list that came out, days after another rich man from "good family" got careless enough to be caught kidnapping two other people from a rival "good family".

Ms. Coicou says she wants to defend her honor and has even mildly threatened legal action against the foreign forces with which she had collaborated ever so obediently in the past.

These days, in Haiti, "Family Affairs" have become such a strange brand of reality tv!

We are thus left, with this fundamental question: Is Coicou a "good family" name? The U.N. doesn't seem to think so. In fact, Coicou is one of the few West-African surnames to have survived the crimes of white supremacist forces on the island of Ayiti, since 1492. It would certainly be "a good family" name is the Kingdoms of Dahomey and Congo. But, in 2012 U.N.-Occupied neo-colonial Haiti, what does a "good family" name sound like?


Brandt Vs Handal Vs Clinton Vs Martelly Vs Coicou...let the vetting continue!

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Someone sent me Amy Wilentz's recent article which discusses the arrest of alleged kidnapping gang leader Clifford Brandt in Haiti. In the text, there is this paragraph, especially its last sentence, that caught my attention:

"There were many theories about who was behind the enlevman, as kidnapping is called in Creole; kidnapping of this kind is always and everywhere an organized business of sorts. Many thought it was being run by the Brazilian troops who were a part of the approximately 11,000-person UN force that had been put in place in Haiti after Aristide’s fall, since Rio is a known vortex of kidnappers. Others claimed the business was being run by supporters of ousted president Aristide, in order to destabilize the new government. Others felt that it was just the usual criminal element, street thugs and drug lords taking advantage of troubled times. Everyone suspected — indeed, everyone knew — that there was police collusion, no matter who was the guiding force. No one, or no one who was talking, suspected the traditional elite. (Now everyone in Haiti says they knew, but that’s just Monday-morning F.B.I.ing.)"

http://amywilentz.tumblr.com/post/36021464848/werewolves-in-the-clubs

Contrary to Amy Wilentz' assertion, there were those who suspected the traditional "elite" all along and they did speak up. Some of it was done, in fact, on this very list.

Rather than Monday-morning FBI.ing, isn't what we are living these days better characterized as a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO - LONG AGO!"

Indeed, on this very listserve, back in August 2005, when another man of so-called "good family" was reluctantly arrested by the post-coup regime and accused of kidnappings in Haiti, I posted the following on Corbettland:

"The arrest of Stanley Handal, a multi-millionaire suspected to be a ring leader of the kidnapping enterprise, seems to corroborate the many reports which suggested all along that the materminds of the kidnapping phenomenon are rich and powerful individuals from Haiti’s ruling elite who have powerful connections in the banking industry and within a faction of the post-coup government, and who, as identified by the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, are the primary owners of firearm stocks in the country"....

I ended my post with this question:

"Any investigative journalist or government or U.N. officials online willing to comment ?"
http://www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive-new/msg26407.html

I am still waiting...

Will the MINUSTAH tanks slowly make their way from Cite Soleil and Belair up the mountains to dislodge the "newly discovered bandits" at 4 am? Who shall follow the example of since-suicided Brazilian General Bacellar, pointing U.N. tanks and helicopter mounted machine guns, towards children sleeping in their mother's arms in Morne Calvaire, Montagne Noire, Pernier.....as they once did against the inhabitants of Cité Soleil and Bélair? Or, has common sense make a sudden appearance in Haiti's new UN dictatorship?

Meanwhile, I have a new question addressed to all (investigative journalists have the right to remain silent, but I 'd be happy to read their insights on this as well:)

Is Coicou a "good family" name?
https://www.forumhaiti.com/t14853-is-coicou-a-good-family-name-like-say-brandt-handal#123123

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Elit ke MAK renmen pale de yo an ;tankou se pou konsète ak yo an ;m ap mande m si y ap ka siviv ,si bal lan pa lan pwen pou l
fini?
Gen twòp liv ak atik y ap ekri sou mesyedam sa yo.
Se tankou ravèt lan fè nwa ki ap grinyote men lè w limen yon anpoul e pi w klere yo ,li vin difisil pou yo manje san okenn pwoblèm!
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wou tande kijan Aristide te pale de moun sa yo an 2011 . Apaid se boon patenè Aristide selon sa mwen tande .hum
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Ki moun ki ka di nou ki pwogrè k ap fèt nan ankèt sa a...?

Konbyen konplis Brandt yo arete ojis?

Konbyen fanmi viktim kidnapping ki prezante pou pote plent kont akize a?

Ki defans misye ap prezante?

Ki nivo konplisite Brabdt te genyen anndan lapolis la, MINUSTAH (puiske l ap opere depi omwens 2008 e anpil moun yo kidnape jwenn liberasyon apre fanmi yo fin peye ranson) - kouman fè wograde nan Lapolis pa ta okouran tout tranzaksyon sa yo, pandan tout tan sa a?

Ki nivo konplisite Brandt genyen anndan sistèm jidisyè a, ak anndan Palè Nasyonal?

Ki kanpay prezidansyèl misye te finanse nan ane 2010-2011? Madan Manigat pete lobèy ak yon jounalis ki te soulve kesyon sa a. Men, mwen pa tande krik bo kote kan Martelly a. Èske sa vle di Brandt te pi pre Manigat pase Martelly?

Nou pap pèdi fokis non.....yo te mèt bannou reyality tv, teyat, wol, kanaval, youn dèyè lot....n ap fokis sou sa ki enpotan yo pa vle nou founi je gade a....

fwa sa a Hollywood pap sis!
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jafrikayiti a écrit:
Ki moun ki ka di nou ki pwogrè k ap fèt nan ankèt sa a...?

Konbyen konplis Brandt yo arete ojis?

Konbyen fanmi viktim kidnapping ki prezante pou pote plent kont akize a?

Ki defans misye ap prezante?

Ki nivo konplisite Brabdt te genyen anndan lapolis la, MINUSTAH (puiske l ap opere depi omwens 2008 e anpil moun yo kidnape jwenn liberasyon apre fanmi yo fin peye ranson) - kouman fè wograde nan Lapolis pa ta okouran tout tranzaksyon sa yo, pandan tout tan sa a?

Ki nivo konplisite Brandt genyen anndan sistèm jidisyè a, ak anndan Palè Nasyonal?

Ki kanpay prezidansyèl misye te finanse nan ane 2010-2011? Madan Manigat pete lobèy ak yon jounalis ki te soulve kesyon sa a. Men, mwen pa tande krik bo kote kan Martelly a. Èske sa vle di Brandt te pi pre Manigat pase Martelly?

Nou pap pèdi fokis non.....yo te mèt bannou reyality tv, teyat, wol, kanaval, youn dèyè lot....n ap fokis sou sa ki enpotan yo pa vle nou founi je gade a....

fwa sa a Hollywood pap sis!

Jafrik,

mwen kwe wap fe erreur sur la personne wi la, tout moun konen Clifford Brandt se yon tet-kale roz ki te finance campagne Martelly ak lot zevsocial fanmi presidan ak lajan sale kidnappping ak lot activite illicites.

Fok ou pa confond Clifford Brandt ak Gregory Brandt oubien la famille Brandt ki pa yon monolithe. Gregory Brandt comme citoyen, comme individu, se yon mam de longue date RDNP. Jiska present mwen panko tande non Gregory cite nan zafe krochi, menm si se frere Fritz Brandt kife mononk Clifford. Eske nou juge Gregory pa KONTUMAS paske li pote non Brandt?


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Mak a écrit:
Joel
wou tande kijan Aristide te pale de moun sa yo an 2011 . Apaid se boon patenè Aristide selon sa mwen tande .hum

MAK;

Mwen tande ke gen moun lan sektè biznis lan ki apwoche ARISTIDE ,men mwen pa tande non APAID ladan yo.
Si sa ta fèt ;se pa t ap yon move bagay.
Mwen di nou,ARISTIDE aprann anpil lan AFRIK DI SID.Gen anpil biznismann ki t ap sipòte rejim APARTHEID yo ;kounye an se manm ANC yo ye.
Si mesye sa yo reyalize jan yo te konn aji lontan e ke sa pa ka kontinye gen siksè ,paske AMERIKEN yo pa p ka wete LABAPEN yo lan dife tout tan ;se t ap yon bon bagay.
APAID vwayaje an DOMINIKANI e li wè jan biznismann DOMINIKEN yo ap fonksyone.La plipa de yo ,se lan PATI JUAN BOSCH ak CAAMANO yo ,yo ye .
Si misye ta pran FOTO ak mesye LAVALAS yo ;menm jan ke VORBES yo fè l ;sa t ap voye yon gran mesaj
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JAF;

Si ou gen JEFF SPRAGUE sou SHOW w lan aswè an ;poze l kesyon sou tentativ KOUDETA KOMISÈ yo ,ann OKTÒB 2000;lè GUY PHILIPPE ak konpayèl li yo te blije kraze rak.
Ironikman ,dapre liv JEFF SPRAGUE lan ;se LESLIE ALEXANDER chaje dafè AMERIKEN ann AYITI an ki te denonse mesye sa yo bay gouvènman AYISYEN an.
Gen lè se rezon sa a ke THUNDER rayi CLINTON kon sa a (lol).Paske si li te yon ansyen POLISMANN li te pwobableman lan TANTATIV sa a.
Gen yon ISTWA PARALÈL ann AYITI ki ap fè konprann ke LEON MANUS te pran egzil pase li pa t vle jan eleksyon yo te fèt an 2000.
Alòs ,ke ak dokimantasyon JEFF SPRAGUE montre ke se te konplètman diferan!
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SUR LA TRACE DES "ENTREPRENEURS de BONNE FAMILLE"!

HAITI: "Family Gangs" vs "Street Gangs"
http://www.godisnotwhite.com/is-coicou-a-good-family-name/

2005: STANLEY HANDAL: Arrested, then released....then?

"the Police spokeperson who refused to divulgate the identity of a detainee suspected of involvement in kidnappings, shamelessly intervening to protect his « good family name », was lamenting to reporters how “there are people of good family and high social level that unfortunately are involved in kidnappings”

The arrest of Stanley Handal, a multi-millionaire suspected to be a ring
leader of the kidnapping enterprise, seems to corroborate the many
reports which suggested all along that the materminds of the kidnapping
phenomenon are rich and powerful individuals from Haiti’s ruling elite
who have powerful connections in the banking industry and within a
faction of the post-coup government, and who, as identified by the
Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, are the primary owners of firearm stocks
in the country.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=55&ItemID=8165

2012: CLIFFORD BRANDT: Prominent businessman arrested for role in kidnapping

http://www.godisnotwhite.com/haiti-prominent-businessman-arrested-for-role-in-kidnapping/


“There were many theories about who was behind the enlevman, as kidnapping is called in Creole; kidnapping of this kind is always and everywhere an organized business of sorts. Many thought it was being run by the Brazilian troops who were a part of the approximately 11,000-person UN force that had been put in place in Haiti after Aristide’s fall, since Rio is a known vortex of kidnappers. Others claimed the business was being run by supporters of ousted president Aristide, in order to destabilize the new government. Others felt that it was just the usual criminal element, street thugs and drug lords taking advantage of troubled times. Everyone suspected — indeed, everyone knew — that there was police collusion, no matter who was the guiding force. No one, or no one who was talking, suspected the traditional elite. (Now everyone in Haiti says they knew, but that’s just Monday-morning F.B.I.ing.)”

http://amywilentz.tumblr.com/post/36021464848/werewolves-in-the-clubs

Is Coicou a "good family" name like say: Brandt, Handal? Brandt10

Contrary to Amy Wilentz’ assertion, there were those who suspected the traditional “elite” all along and they did speak up. Some of it was done, in fact, on this very list (Bob Corbett’s Haiti List).

Rather than Monday-morning FBI.ing, isn’t what we are living these days better characterized as a case of “WE TOLD YOU SO – LONG AGO!”


CLIFFORD BRANDT is said to be incarcerated in new "air-conditionned" prison, said to be modern and top-security - a pride jewel of Canadian Government contribution to post-2004 Coup Haiti

"On October 28, 2012, the Prison Civile de la Croix-des-Bouquets was officially opened by the Prime Minister of Haiti. The prison is a Canadian project funded through DFATD's Stabilization and Reconstruction Task Force (START) program. CSC staff provided support and technical advice in the project management, and assisted with policy development...

From 2007 to 2013, CSC managed 49 Canadian correctional deployments to MINUSTAH – 45 CSC deployments and four provincial correctional deployments from British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec. These correctional experts were influential in improving prison conditions by providing advice to all levels of Haitian correctional staff. They provided mentoring and training in areas such as prison management, contingency plan development and promotion of international human rights standards...".
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/in-the-world/004002-1001-eng.shtml



August 10, 2014: CLIFFORD BRANDT Escapes from Prison Civile de la Croix-des-Bouquets


Clifford Brandt is said to be the #1 ring leader of Gang Galil, a vicious criminal gang that specializes in kidnappings for ransom. Brandt is a close friend of current U.S.-backed Haitian President Michel Joseph Martelly and of his sons. The many privileges enjoyed by Clifford Brandt in freddom, in jail or in hiding continue to be a source of great embarrassment for Michel Martelly as well as his foreign supporters in the governments of the U.S., Canada and France.

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