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 AFRICANS IN AMERICA ,DREAMING OF HAITI IN 1862

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Depi 2011 ;NEW YORK TIMES gen yon seri de ATIK POU KOMEMORE 150 yèm ANIVÈSÈ GÈ SIVIL AMERIKEN AN.
Yo pibliye youn chak semèn.
Y ap fini l an 2015 ,LANNE 150 yèm ANIVÈSÈ ,fen GÈ an.

Semèn sa a ;yo pibliye yon atik sou jan PITIT LAFRIK yo te panse de AYITI ,an 1861,1862.
Se sa k fè ,lè NÈG ki pa konprann anyen lan anyen ,wè AFRIKEN AMERIKEN kanpe kont TOUYADÒ ann AYITI yo;e ke gen NÈG ki ap rele yo BLAK KOKEN ;ou byen yo sou PEWÒL TÈL PREZIDAN ,se pou y ap konsilte LISTWA:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/dreaming-of-haiti/?hp
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Jowel,


MALGRE ZAFE HSAITI PAT BON LE SA-A. SE SOU BOYER WI BAGAY EMIGRATION NOIR AMERICAINE SA-A TE KOMANSE.

KIFE BOYER PAT PI MAL KE SA APRES TOU?


Recruiting free American blacks

Boyer tried to recruit free black Americans to emigrate to the Republic of Haiti. His government advertised the opportunities in newspapers: “promising free land and political opportunity to black settlers." Boyer sent agents to black communities in the United States to convince them that Haiti was a sovereign state and open to immigration only for blacks.
The American Colonization Society (ACS) noticed the recruitment effort. Concerned that free blacks could never assimilate to the United States, its members founded their society in 1816 to "repatriate" American blacks to Africa, regardless of where they had been born. It was an uneasy collaboration between abolitionists and slaveholders, who approached the issue from differing viewpoints. The ACS planned colonization in what became Liberia for former slaves. In 1817 Loring D. Dewey toured the East Coast to recruit emigrants, starting in New York. The organization hoped to resettle 100,000 free people of color within 10 years.[citation needed]
Dewey's meetings with people in New York convinced him to abandon the idea of colonizing Liberia. Most American blacks did not want to leave what they considered was fully their native country. Dewey met with Haitian citizens in New York, most of whom were refugee ethnic French and free people of color who had fled the revolution. They recommended Haiti as the ideal black homeland, due to its moderate weather conditions and independent black government. After Dewey wrote to Boyer to determine if he was still interested in receiving American immigrants, Boyer proposed that Haiti would seek blacks exclusively from the United States.
The ACS sent Boyer questions related to its goal of a colony for American free blacks. Boyer was confident that his government would be able to receive these people. The ACS tried to negotiate to have the Haitian government pay transportation costs for the emigrants. Boyer responded that the government would pay for those who could not afford it, but the ACS would have to take care of the rest of the finances. Haiti was already in debt to the French, which had exacted high payment for lost properties of planters, in essence making Haiti pay for its independence. The government did not have funds to transport American families to Haiti.[citation needed]
Dewey proposed establishing a colony for American free blacks that would be separate from the rest of the island, with its own laws, legislature, etc. Boyer was opposed to the idea of an American colony on the island, since the Haitians already feared re-colonization by the French. He told Dewey that the laws of the Haitian government applied to everyone across Haiti.
Beginning in September 1824, nearly 6,000 Americans, mostly free people of color, migrated to Haiti within a year, with ships departing from New York, Baltimore and Philadelphia.[4] Due to the poverty of the island and the inability of Boyer's administration to help support the new immigrants in the transition, most returned to the United States within a short period of time.
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Ou toujou pre pou defann BOYER ;mwen pa konn pou ki sa.
Ale sou liv LISTANT PRADINE lan sou GDALLICA.FR w ap wè ke lè BOYER te voye GRANVILLE an misyon lan NEW YORK ;youn lan premye bagay FREE BLACKS yo te mande BOYER se te LEKÒL.
Yon bagay ke misye te ALÈJIK ak li .
Se youn lan REZON ke pi fò ladan yo ,kase TÈT tounen.
Lan lanne 1820s,1830s NWA LIB lan ETAZINI yo ,te byen regarde BOYER;lan BREZIL menm se RWA ANRI KRISTÒF ki te BONDYE pou yo.
Lan CHARLÒT ,lan KAWOLIN DI SID te gen yon NÈG ki rele DENMARK VESEY ,YON NWA LIB,ki t ap prepare yon REVOLT JENERAL ;youn lan rezon lòt NWA yo te pre pou swiv MISYE se lè misye te di yo ke REVOLT lan te gen apwobasyon BOYER;;se te an 1826
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Depi kèk jou apre endepandans lan, nan Pwoklamasyon 14 janvier 1804 la Dessalines te trase chimen sa a.

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Liberté où la mort! Gouvernement d'Haiti

Quartier général, le 14 janvier 1804, première année de l'indépendance d'Haiti.

Le gouverneur-général, considérant qu'un grand nombre de noirs et d'hommes de couleurs supportent, aux Etats-Unis, toutes sortes de privations, parce qu'ils n'ont pas les moyens de retourner en Haiti, décrète qu'il sera compté aux capitaines de navires américains la somme de quarante piastres pour chaque individu qu'ils pourront ramener dans le pays. Ce décret sera imprimé, publié, aussitôt expédié, et une copie en sera immédiatement envoyés au Congrès des États-Unis.

Le Gouverneur Général, Dessalines

Se frè ak sè sa yo ki rantre nan epok 1855-1870 yo ki tabli Legliz Episkopal Ayiti ak alatèt yo evèk Theodore Holly. Jou Holly antere se te yon bagay ekstraodinè tèlman te gen moun ki te vin asiste. Misye kite desandan ki jiskaprezan pote non li nan peyi a. Se domaj Legliz la vin pèdi direksyon lè gouvènman Yanki a okipe nou pandan 1915-1934. Depi lè sa a se youn youn de twa grenn eleman ki konprann lespri solidarite panafriken ki te baz legliz la.


ale la a pou ou wè foto piblikasyon an nan jounal Meriken ane 1804:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/imagine-haiti/17669?print=1
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Wi JAF ;mesye EPISKOPALYEN yo ,se yon tradisyon ""fyète"" wi , yo sòti.
Tankou w di ;yo te ka vin chanje apre okipasyon AMERIKEN an ;yo vin tankou LEGLIZ KATOLIK lan ki te yon LEGLIZ SOUSOU.

Lan NÒ ETAZINI an ;EPISKOPALYEN NWA yo te toujou vle distenge yo de rès EPISKOPALYEN yo .Yo te rele tèt yo AME (AFRICAN METHODIST EPISCOPAL).
Anvan GÈ SIVIL AMERIKEN an ;yo te konn òganize LEVE FON pou achte ESKLAV lan SID ETAZINI an e LIBERE yo.
E yo te aktif lan peryòd DWA SIVIK yo ;yo te konn òganize KARAVÀN ,sòti lan NÒ pou al anrejistre NWA lan SID yo ,pou yo vote.Natirèlman gen la dan yo ki mouri .
Yo te aktif tou lan sa yo te rele ""UNDERGROUND RAILROAD"" lan ;lè yo te konn pran èsklav ki sove lan SID yo e achminen yo lan KANADA kote pa t gen LESKLAVAJ.

Mwen kwè ke se te relijyon LOUIS JOSEPH JANVIER ;mwen pa konnen si se ladan l li te fèt ou byen si li te konvèti.
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Monchè istwa sa a se ak tristès mwen pale de li paske nou rate yon okazyon ekstraodinè ak deviyasyon misyon legliz saa ki te gen yon gwo potansyèl revolisyonè. Parekzanp lekol St-Vincent pou andikape ki se premye enstitisyon konsa nan Karayib la, se travay Legliz Episkopal. Menmman, parèyman pou Lopital Ste-Croix nan Leyogàn ki te fome yon dividal enfimyè epi ki plase nan yon kafou estratejik pou peyi a nan Leyogàn. Si kamyon Jeremi fè aksidan sou wout, kamyon Benè, kamyon Jakmèl, kamyon Okay....se te Lopital Ste-Croix..... Onivo operasyon zye mesyedam yo te devlope yon bèl repitasyon jouk nan ane 90 yo. Malerezman, degrenngolad ki koumanse depi nan epok okipasyon Meriken an rapousuiv jouk jounen jodi a, ou pa ka menm remake potansyèl ki te ekziste a.

Aktyèlman la a m ap travay sou jeneyaloji lakod fanmi mwen ki konekte dirèk dirèk ak listwa legliz la puiske, lè Theodore Holly debake Ayiti nan ane 1855 epi retounen nan ane 1860 yo, se nan monLeyogan kote kod lonbrit grandèt mwen yo antere a, li te jwenn premye baz pou bay legliz la fondasyon. Ojis se yon ti ponyen peyizan ki te konvèti nan relijyon ansyen Wesleyen ki te nan peyi a depi sou Christophe - se yomenm ki mete ak Meriken Nwa Theodore Holly yo pou vin bay premye misyon Episkopal yo nan Kabarè Kat ak Bigone - nan mon Leyogan.

Defen granpè mwen se yon nan premye pè legliz la. Daprè sa granmoun yo rakonte m, misye pran anpil presyon paske li te nan kan pè ki te vle legliz la kenbe endepandans li alepok okipasyon an. Orezime, se lot kan an ki te pote laviktwa. Gen yon ti lespri revolisyonè ki vle siviv nan legliz la men, se yo ti souf tou fèb podyab.

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Jan mwen tap diya, John Brown ak Catts te premier protestants ki te etabli Haiti sou gouvelman Petion.

Nom yo vin celeb, nan portoprins gen avenue john Brown..etc..Nan royaume Christophe la te gen kek lekol lancasterienne tou, men mwen kwe se plis laics, mwen pa konen si te gen missionnaires ladan yo.

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Doub,

Mwen kwè ou melanje John Brown yo. Sila a ki te misyonè sou Pétion an, se pa pou li yo te batize boulva a Avni John Brown. Se yon lot blan Meriken ki te konprann levanjil la yon mannyè ki te pi sensè epi pozitif ki merite onè sa a.

Men bon John Brown nan:

http://www.godisnotwhite.com/a-real-brother-named-john-brown/
Citation :
During three days of national mourning for John Brown’s execution, flags in Port-au-Prince were flown at half mast. A solemn mass was held in the cathedral, with the active participation of President Fabre Nicholas Geffard. It is also then that the main boulevard of Port-au-Prince was named Avenue John Brown.

Kanta pou prezans Pwotestan yo, se depi odepa yo te la sou koloni an. Pa bliye refom nan koenside ak devlopman krim MAAFA a. Te gen negriye Katolik epi Pwotestan. Pami sa ki pi selèb nan mitan esklavajis pwotestan yo, nou ka site otè "Amazing Grace" ak "Que le nom de Jésus est doux", John Newton.

Anverite John Brown te yon eksepsyon. Yon moundebyen, yon frè tout bon vre!
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Mwen sezi tou lè mwen wè DOUB asosye JOHN BROWN ke avni LALI an nonmen apre l ak JOHN BROWN ki te vivan sou PETYON.

JOHN BROWN sa a ke AVNI an nonmen apre l ,se youn lan moun ki pi selèb lan ISTWA ETAZINI ,paske li te yon KATALIS lan GÈ SIVIL ;Gè ki koute plis MÒ lan tout GÈ ETAZINI fè e ki chanje ISTWA peyi sa a.

JOHN BROWN te di ke se ase ;pa ka gen pale toujou ;se yon REVOLT JENERAL a la mannyè de AYITI ki pou fèt;paske moun lan SID pa p janm libere ESKLAV yo.
Misye ak yon gwoup BLAN te monte yon atak sou yon KAZÈN lan VIJINI ki rele HARPERS FERRY.Yo pa t siksede ;yo te pran misye e yo te pann li ak uon pitit gason l.
Bi atak lan se te pou pran ZAM pou ame ESKLAV lan VIJINI yo
Byen ke se pa t sa ki te pwovoke SESESYON an ;men sa te konvenk toiu lè 2 BÒ peyi an ke LA GÈ te inevitab;an tou ka ,ABOLISYONIS lan NÒ yo.
Lè SOLDA NÒ yo t ap mache lan SID lan ;lan tout gwo batay yo ,lè yo t ap chaje kan ÈNMI an ;yo te envoke NON JOHN BROWN!
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