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SA SE POU SASAYE, JOEL ET LA TRIE KI PA JANM MANKE POU VOYE MOUTE SOU LEGLIX KATOLIK KOMKWA GEN PEDOPHILES LADAN. ZAFE "DEPI NAN GINEN NEG RAYI NEG LA' SE PA MANTI, SE YO KI TAP VAN NOU KOM ESKLAV- YO KOTINIE PRATIK ESCLAVAJ LA JIS JODIA.
MEN YO PA JANM LOUVRI JE SOU VERITAB KRIM KI PLISKRIMINEL KE PEDOPHILES KI ESCLAVAGE SEXUEL TI FI NAN ZAFE RITUEL TROKOSI SILA KAP KONTINIE JIS JODIA NAN PEYI LAFRIK

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DOUB;

Mwen te panse sensèman ke w te depase bagay sa yo.Zafè ke AFRIKEN te pratike LESKLAVAY tou ,ou byen se AFRIKEN ki te vann parèy yo kòm esklav.
DOUB;

Se LEGLIZ KATOLIK wi ki te LEJITIME TRÈT NWA yo ak edit 8 JANVYE 1454 lan, lè PAP NIKOLA V te bay PÒTIGAL (an premye) ak rès EWÒP lan dwa pou yo ekstèmine NWA e mete yo lan LESKLAVAY.
Ak sa yo rele BULLE PAPALE DE 1454 lan ;se te yon MISYON KRETYEN pou EWOPEYEN yo te mete NWA ann ESKLAVAY.
VATIKAN an pral sispann bagay sa a, an 1831.
KRETYEN PA T BEZWEN santi yo KOUPAB lè yo t ap fè moun NWA ESKLAV.
Kididonk apre yo te vin kolonize AMERIK lan se preske yon DEVWA pou yo ,se te sèvi la SAINTE EGLISE pou yo fè moun NWA ESKLAV.

W ap jwenn ""BULLE PAPALE DE 1454"" lan sou ENTÈNÈT lan ;w ap jwenn anpil diskisyon sou li;men yon ti LOUGAL:

http://rebellyon.info/8-janvier-1454-l-eglise-catholique.html
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sA-A SE PA EN 1684 LAP PASSE NON JOWEL SE EN 2011

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DOUB;

Sa a pwouve ki sa lan yon KONTINAN ki gen plis ke 500 MILYON MOUN?

Bagay ""child bride"" sa a se yon bagay ki ekziste anpil kote toujou ,tankou PAKISTAN,INDE elt...
Si yon MOUN ki pa AYISYEN ap wè PRATIK RESTAVÈK nou an ;ki sa l ap di?
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Jowel men yon atik ki ferk paret la NAN ISRAELNEWS http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/13067#.UVglIJM3uSp
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Op-Ed: Arabs Have Black Slaves - Today
Published: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:36 AM
Tthere is no Arab Apartheid Week on American campuses, but there should be. Slavery, in its most barbaric form, still exists in the Arab world and there is no Exodus in sight either. A shocking article for Passover.


Dr. Charles Jacobs
The author is president of Americans for Peace and Tolerance.
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Israel Apartheid Week has come and gone this year on many American campuses. It was, of course, a hoax: However much one says that Arabs in Israel suffer, and whoever is to blame for that alleged suffering, there is no apartheid in Israel.

Meanwhile, however, in Sudan and Mauritania, racist Arab societies enslave blacks. Today. Most of the slaves are African Muslims. Yet there is no Arab Apartheid Week on American campuses. Why not?

One might think American student activists would be upset about argest population of black slaves in the world – estimates range from 100,000 to more than a half-million. In Mauritania, slaves are used for labor, sex and breeding. The wholly owned propertMauritania, the West African country with the ly of their masters, they are passed down through generations, given as wedding gifts or exchanged for camels, trucks, guns or money.

Surely, life is not so good in a Palestinian Arab refugee camp– no matter who is to blame, but it’s undeniably a whole lot worse for Mauritanian slaves. According to a Human Rights Watch/Africa report, routine punishments for slaves in Mauritania – for the slightest fault – include beatings, denial of food and prolonged exposure to the sun, with hands and feet tied together. More serious infringement of the master’s rule (in American slave-owning parlance, “getting uppity”) can lead to prolonged tortures known as “the camel treatment,” in which the slave’s body is slowly torn apart; the“insect treatment,” in which tiny desert insects are inserted and sealed into the ear canal until the slave is driven mad; and“burning coals,” a torture not fit to describe in a family newspaper.


The cases that the rights groups focus upon are not determined by the nature, extent or degree of suffering by the victims, but rather by the identity of those thought to be the oppressors.
Perhaps the reason for silence on campuses about these things is that the story of black slaves and their Arab masters remains unknown there. It would, of course, be a sensitive topic: slavery has existed in Mauritania since the 12th century, when Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula invaded and conquered North Africa. Raiders then stormed African villages to the south, pillaging, enslaving and converting the indigenous peoples to Islam.

While the Koran forbids the enslavement of fellow Muslims, just as in the West, in North Africa racism trumped religious doctrine. The descendants of those Arab invaders are today’s slave owners. The descendants of those captured as slaves in jihad raids are in human bondage today. These are, then, black Muslim slaves – who, for racist reasons, aren’t allowed to touch the Koran with their black hands, who can’t marry without their owners’ permission, and whose children belong to the master.

Not all blacks in Mauritania are slaves. But all are oppressed by Arab colonialism. Arab Berbers (or “White Africans”) constitute less than a third of Mauritania’s population of 3.5 million people, but they control the government and military, as well as the education and the court systems.

I interviewed Saidou Wane, a Mauritanian immigrant who lives in Cincinnati and speaks regularly on behalf of the Movement for Justice and Equality in Mauritania (MJEM). Saidou reports that the Mauritanian regime is constantly working to cleanse the country of any non-Arab influence. The state recognizes only Arabic as an official language, refuses to acknowledge the local African languages (Wolof, Fulani, Soninke), and allows only French and Arabic in school curricula. In other cases, this would easily be termed “cultural cleansing.”

Indeed, it might be even worse than apartheid: The government has expropriated land owned by black Africans through expulsion and dispossession. An ethnic cleansing campaign that began in 1989 led to the expulsion of an estimated 100,000 blacks from Mauritania. The government and army were purged of black officers. Amnesty International reported that thousands of blacks were killed, and many tortured, while hundreds of African villages in the south were demolished.

Mauritania holds the distinction of being the last nation on earth to legally abolish slavery, which it did, with no mechanisms of enforcement, in 1981. Slavery was not criminalized until 2007, but to date there has been only one single conviction.

Why hasn’t any of this been addressed by Western governments? For one, the Mauritanian regime, once a supporter of Saddam Hussein, has ingratiated itself with the United States and Europe through promises to help fight al-Qaeda. And then in December 2012, in a move that defined it as the morally bankrupt institution it is, the United Nations (U.N.) Human Rights Council elected Mauritania as its vice president and rapporteur.

What about the silence of Western progressives? I call it the “human-rights complex:” The cases that the rights groups focus upon are not determined by the nature, extent or degree of suffering by the victims, but rather by the identity of those thought to be the oppressors. Think about it: Most human-rights advocates in the West are decent, middle-class whites who are defensive about past Western sins – slavery, colonialism, racism. Their activism is a matter of personal identity. They act to be exonerated, to be seen as innocents, guiltless, not like the “bad white” exploiters. They march under the banner of “Not in My Name.”

Anti-Israel propagandists have inverted reality in the minds of many of these people: Jews have been transformed from last century’s stateless, Asiatic, non-Europeans, to whites with power who behave badly toward innocent, impoverished, indigenous, darker-skinned people. This is precisely the taint that many “rights activists” wish to avoid:“people who look like us, behaving badly.”

Israel Apartheid Week – and the absence of Arab Apartheid Week – have nothing to do with external realities, or actual suffering but are the psychodramatic results of miseducated, manipulated, guilt-ridden, American middle-class youth. The biggest victims here, of course, are those oppressed by non-Westerners (women, gays, Christians, blacks, and other minorities in the Muslim realm) who cannot break through the fog of political correctness to reach the good but blinded souls of American students on campus.

In 2012, CNN reporters interviewed Moulkheir Yarba, who escaped her master after he raped her, fathered her child and then left the baby to die in the Sahara Desert – to teach her to “work faster.”

If Moulkheir could understand how America, a nation of abolitionists, has so enchained itself with political correctness, and become so blinded to her plight, she would weep. As should we.
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Mwen pa konprann DOUB.

Se pou w di sa w vle pwouve anvan wi.
Ou mete yon ATIK ki sòti lan ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS pou w pwouve ke ARAB yo pratike LESKLAVAJ?

EWOPEYEN yo te pratike LESKLAVAJ tou wi ;sètadi yo te konn vann parèy yo bay ARAB yo lan tan yo te rele MWAYENNAJ EWOPEYEN an.
Yo estime ke ant 800 ak 1300;EWOPEYEN yo te vann anviwon 1 MILYON parèy yo bay ARAB yo

AGIMAN w yo depase DOUB.LONI rekonèt ke LESKLAVAJ ke EWOPEYEN yo te pratike an se te yon KRIM KONT LIMANITE ;youn lan pi gwo KRIM ke yon GWOUP ETNIK kapab komèt kont yon LÒT GWOUP ETNIK.
Lè w pran yon gwoup MOUN ,ou dezimanize yo ,enferyorize KILTI yo ;san konte de MILYON ak milyon ou touye ,pa gen pi gwo KRIM ke sa.

EWOPEYEN YO REKONÈT SA DOUB.
OU PA KA PI WAYALIS KE LE WA ,PI EWOPEYEN PASE EWOPEYEN YO.

CLINTON FÈ ESKIZ,SARKOZY FÈ ESKIZ E PETÈT OU PA KONNEN;PAP LAN AN 1994 ,LAN VIZIT LAN BENIN LI FÈ ESKIZ TOU.

Ou konnen bay ki moun ke PAP lan te fè eskiz lan se te bay VODUN lan ,gran prèt VODOU an lan BENIN.

Alòs DOUB ,de peyi tankou KIBA ak BREZIL ki gen yon pi gran pousantaj ""leucoderme"" pase nou ap voye KILTI AFRIKEN yo an monte ,alòs ke noumenm nou kontinye ap denigre l?

DOUB;

NOU PA AFRIKANIS ASE!
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wou pa konpramn demarche mwen an menm...Genocide, ak esclavage la ap kontinie epi nou menm nou fokis lot kote.

Mwen kwe ke en tant ke premier nwa ki pran liberte sila nou ta dwe kontinie lutte la... Se jis sa mwen vle di nou fokis sou fo problem tandis ke la race la toujou en esclavaj lot kote.

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wou pa konpramn demarche mwen an menm...Genocide, ak esclavage la ap kontinie epi nou menm nou fokis lot kote.

Mwen kwe ke en tant ke premier nwa ki pran liberte sila nou ta dwe kontinie lutte la... Se jis sa mwen vle di nou fokis sou fo problem tandis ke la race la toujou en esclavaj lot kote.



Mwen konprann demach ou an trè byen.Se menm bagay ke de RASIS AMERIKEN abitye di.


Rasis OZETAZINI yo se mòd yo ,pou yo di ke AFRIKEN yo te pratike ESKLAVAJ tou ,ou byen se AFRIKEN yo ki te konn vann PARÈY yo ,bay EWOPEYEN yo.
Byen ke sè jou si ,li difisil pou yo di sa piblikman ,paske yo ka peye yon PRI pou sa.

Ou pa ka ap pran de KA IZOLE pou w ap di ke ESKLAVAJ ekziste toujou sou KONTINAN an.Yon kontinan de 500 MILYON MOUN ;talè w a di tou ke AFRIKEN se KANIBAL ;menm jan ke gen FRANSE lan 19yèm syèk lan te konn kalifye AYISYEN yo.

Eske ESKLAVAJ sa a ekziste lan NIJERYA ,lan GHANA,lan KENYA ,lan ANGOLA ,lan MOZANBIK elt...?

Gen yon seri de MOUN ki renmen jeneralize.
Pou ki sa AFGHAN yo pòv konsa.Se ""kokazyen"" se BLAN yo ye ;se lan EWÒP SANTRAL yo sòti epitou pa menm 40% popilayon yo an ,konn li ak ekri.
Pakistanè yo tou se DESANDAN MOGUL yo ;anpil ladan yo tou sòti lan EWÒP SANTRAL.

Se pou rezon sa a mwen di w ""MOVE ON""
Eseye di bagay sa yo sou rezo diskisyon gwo jounal AMERIKEN yo w ap wè si yo pa p siprime yo pou vyolasyon ""community standard""
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Jowel pranl janw vlel, pou konparem ak arguments racistes Americains kap essaye justifie l'injustifiab.

Mwen pa nan lojik sila ditou, senpman map konbat kont tout mythes ki vle fe kwe se yon sel "diab" ki manje nan loratwa l'Afrik..Pou yo ta manje vant plein konesa fok yo te gen complices..et jiska prezan konplis sayo yo la toujou yap opere..

Men nou pa vle denonse yo, nou kache yo et nou menm vle fe kwe sou yon kontinan 500 millions moun li pa signifikatif

n'ap pale la-a de 100 milles a 1 millions esclaves jis nan yon sel peyi l'afrik "[b]about the largest population of black slaves in the world – estimates range from 100,000 to more than a half-million."


Konbien millions juifs ki te subi Holocoste, combien millions noirs te subi komes triangulaires..


Pas gen jistifikation pou yon crime konsa ap perpetre nan 21e siek la epi nap kache fey kouvri sa.

La verite nan anpil kilti nan afrik, yo konsidere certaines ethnies, sitou fanm tankou BETAIL, tankou ZANIMO yo ka van ak achete. Nan peyi Arab yo kilti sa-a present tou.

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Mwen menm m ap di w ke pwoblèm lan pa si senp ke sa;gen anpil moun ki konsidere pwoblèm RESTAVÈK nou genyen ann AYITI an tankou ESKLAVAY tou.
Sa pa t dwe ekziste toujou men tout otan pa gen devlopman ekonomik lan peyi an ,se ap difisil pou rezoud li.

Zafè FANM ou di ki konsidere tankou pwopriyete an ;sa te ekziste ann EWÒP tou.Zafè pou yon fanm EWOPEYEN marye moun li vle an ,se yon bagay ki date de 19yèm syèk lan wi.Preske tout maryaj yo se te aranjman.

Se pa pou m eskize LESKLAVAY ou di ki gen sou KONTINAN an toujou non ;men se de pratik ki siviv ann IZOLASYON.Yo genyen pou yo disparèt.

Sa m remake lan AGIMAN w yo DOUB;si m twonpe m di m;se ESKIZ w ap chache pou EWOPEYEN yo;bagay ke EWOPEYEN yo pa fè ankò.
Se tankou w vle di ke ta genyen yon kelkonk siperyorite lan PRATIK KILTIRÈL EWOPEYEN yo ;ke RELIJYON yo ta siperyè a pa AFRIKEN yo.
Pa gen VERITE lan BAGAY sa yo.
Mwen wè gen lan nou pa egzanp ki ap kritike VODOU toujou alòs ke PAP lan lan vizit li lan BENIN ak TOGO an 1993 te prezante eskiz li bay VODUN lan pou PÈSEKISYON legliz KATOLIK lan te fè sou relijyon AFRIKEN yo.

Kanta pou LESKLAVAY ki ta ka ekziste lan kèk peyi AFRIKEN toujou se pa yon kont-AGIMAN de sa yo rele ""chattel slavery"" an.
Esklavay ke EWOPEYEN yo te pratike an ;pa t gen tankou l.
Ekivalans li se te ESKLAVAY PANYÒL yo te pratike sou ENDYEN yo ;ou byen NAZI yo te pratike sou PÈP EWÒP de LÈS yo ;men sa pa t dire osi lontan
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J..., mwen se youn lan moun ki pa janm pran bonjou on seri de moun pou la verite, la plipa di tan ke moun dakor ke yo pa dakor ak w, agiman a w toujou valabl, tankou lan echanj sa a. Sepandan, dapre eksperyans e obsevasyon mwen fe, mwen pa di ke se lage tou chaj la sou do leucodermes.

Mwen gen yon pozisyon ki pa janm chanje depi se lan nivo istwa, se ke zanset mwen yo te goumen pou terme esklav la pa aplikab a Ayisyen. En d'autres termes, quand on est ou quand on nait Ayisien, fo ke moun fe atansyon paske nou pa sot lan rejim Saint Domingue nou-menm.

Se jodi anpil Afriken ap raple yo ke esklavaj te pran pye bel e byen an Afrik, Afriken a pa mwen esklavagis ke blan a, si li pa menm pi mal. Menm si m'pa antiche de form tet leucoderme yo, mwen refize lag tout chaj la sou do yo.

Lan liv pa'm la, Afrik Ginen pa gen anyen pou ofri Ayiti. Neg Ginen yo te frote trop ak Arab e se sa ki fe ke se pa manti an Ayiti yo toujou ap di depi lan Ginen neg rayi neg, n'en déplaise a JAF. Pou sa ki pase an Afrik denyeman malgre presans Mandela, e apre tout sa lot ansyen peyi ap akonpli au niveau societal, se toujou diktat kolonizate dirijan Afriken yo ap aploke. San konte vyolans ke fanm ak ti moun ap soufri.

E pi itou, sou kestyon vyolans sa a ki plen vizaj, si mwen vle bon toudbon, mwen pa ka konpare sa Afriken a fe jodi a ak sa ki lan nati blan a. Afriken a se premye esklavajis. E pi souvan, se li ki ofri tet li kom esklav etranje. Se pa atikl sa yo non ki premye pale de koze sa yo, pa gen lontan m't'ap suiv nouvel kote Afriken ap vand pitit yo pou yo ka achte bef, elatrey.

Vin jwenn yo aprand kipidite byen ak patron yo, yo vin pi mal ankor. E se sa ki fe sivilisasyon yo bloke depi anpil syekl. Tout sa ki pou ta dirije res yo, se on band kapon ki lan fe alyans ak ansyen kolon yo pou yo ka vole prop peyi ak popilasyon yo.

Yo pa miyor ke leucodermes yo, si se pou mwen. E pi mezanmi, mwen pa konprand anyen lan zafe Afrik sa a avan yon seri de moun pale. Gen yon le Afrik ka te bel pou sa yo ki pat ko sibi prezans kolonizate yo men Afrik pa yon bel rev. Oups!





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Sètènman ,pou reponn DOUB ki an NÈG ou BLAN ""eklere"" (mwen pa konnen) dwe deja li LIV FRANTZ FANON an.

Antouka FANON ke ALJERYEN yo gade menm jan ke KIBEN yo gade CHE GUEVARA ;paske FANON te lan DIREKSYON FLN ki te goumen pou ENDEPANDANS ALJERI an.

Anpil sa misye di yo depase ,paske misye te ekri yo an 1952 ,men anpil bagay misye te di yo rete relevan.

Misye se te yon PSIKYAT.
Pou rezime ,TI NÈG gen anpil pou yo aprann lan men FRANTZ FANON toujou:

http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/fanon_franz/peau_noire_masques_blancs/peau_noire_masques_blancs.pdf

Misye t ap pale sitou de MATINIK (se la li te sòti) e na wè kòman ,antr'òt;li te gade pwoblematik FRANSE-KREYÒL lan.

 E m ap di bravo JEAN HENRY CEANT pou majistral mesaj ou te bay sou KONSTITISYON an ,lan yon KREYÒL SANSASYONÈL.
Ak mesaj sa a ki ap fè SANSAYON ou voye lòt politisyen yo ,ki pa ka KOMINIKE ,sou BAN LEKÒL PÈP lan
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E m ap di bravo JEAN HENRY CEANT pou majistral mesaj ou te bay sou KONSTITISYON an ,lan yon KREYÒL SANSASYONÈL.

Joel.

Mwen pat wè mesaj saa.
Tanpri poste l pou mwen.
An pasan, mwen ta panse ke Ceyan gen yon gwo wôl pou ljwe lan eleksyon yo. Si ya p fèt.

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Mwen te tande yo li mesaj misye an sou RADYO KISKEYA ak MELODI FM.

Se lè w tande yon moun ap li l ,pou w wè elokans li.

Se tankou yon powèm ;se pa yon powèm ;se tankou dapre mwen tankou GETTYSBURG ADDRESS ;diskou ABRAHAM LINCOLN te pwononse pou l inogire SIMITYÈ GETTYSBURG lan ki te dire 2 MIN sèlman e ke yo konsidere tankou pi gwo ak pi bèl diskou yon PREZIDAN ou nenpòt kèl moun te janm pwononse OZETAZINI.

Pa t gen MO ki gaspiye.
Ou wè misye te pase anpil tan pou l te prepare MESAJ sa a.
Mwen di BRAVO ,ankò ANRI SEYAN ;kontinye vini ak CHELÈN konsa toujou!

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Joel,
Mèsi pou tèks Jan nri Ceyan an.
Mwen te toujou renmen apwôch misye.
Mwen jwen Videyo an . Mwen pral mete l sou yon lôt pôs, pou m pa deranje pôs Doub lan.

Doub,

Mwen fenk remake ke w mete nom m kôn lenmi Katolik. Poukisa?
Uo vle di ke pa gen pedofil lan relijyion saa?
Ou paka pi bon katolik pase m non.
Mwen te manke vinn monpè lè m te lekôl Seminè. Erèzman mwen te louvè je m bonè.

Dayè se pa pè katolik sèlman ki fè abi seksyèl. Ou pa wè lajistis kodane yon bann pastè pwotestan tou?
Mwen ta renmen wè nouvo Pap lan kondane bagay saa tou pou kite timesye yo trankil.
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Sa se pou NÈG ki kontinye ap viv lan 19yèm syèk.Tankou sa FRANTZ FANON te di lan liv li an ke l te pibliye an 1952.
FANON te di NÈG lan ANTIY yo defini yo pa pwoksimite ou elwayman ""BLAN"" an.

Se tankou ANTIYÈ yo te konn di yo siperyè AFRIKEN yo ;paske yo gen ""san mele"",kòm si AFRIK pa gen ""san mele"" tou.Kòm si ""BLAN FRANSE"" yo te kenbe l lan PANTALON yo lan peyi yo te kolonize tankou SENEGAL,KOTDIVWA elt...

Lan peyi kote PÒTIGÈ yo te gen yon prezans depi lanne 1450s yo ;de peyi tankou ANGOLA ;se youn lan peyi ki pi ""metise"" ki genyen ,plis pase AYITI ;si w pale de ""KAP VÈR"" menm se pi rèd.

Mwen di sa ,pou konpare kòman yon seri de NÈG kontinye ap gade LAFRIK ,alòs ke O BREZIL ,gen yon jenerasyon NÈG ki ap kontribye avanse sa yo rele ""soft power"" BREZILYEN an ;kòman yo wè LAFRIK.
Mesyedam sa yo yo menm yo pa p pale de ESKLAVAY ki ta toujou genyen ann AFRIK.

SILVOUPLÈ ,LI KONKLIZYON ATIK SA A:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/world/americas/a-brazilian-campaign-strategist-expands-his-winning-streak.html?ref=americas&pagewanted=all
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Joel,
Sa nou rele Milat ak Milatrès lan peyi Dayiti fè kenken lan anpil peyi afriken.
Ou deja pâle de Kotdivwa ak Senegal, men lan Mali, Kameroun, Ghana e lan Nijerya menm, se pa pale.
Bon, lan Kônn Lafrik lan: Etyopi, Somali, Djibouti, Eritre, se kote fanm ak po klè an majorite.
Medam afrikèn sayo pi alamôd, pi evolye ke sa lakay nou yo.
Se pou nèg vwayaje pou al wè kisa k gen deyô an.
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Jowel mwen panko konpran koman wou converti ``YON TARE SOSIAL``KOMKWA SE YON BAGAY RACISTE.
KISA MILAT VIN CHACHE LA_A

ESKLAVAJ ke nap konbat depi avant 1804, 1791..qui làboli officiellement
epi ki soutire jis jounen nap pale la, nan kek zones nan afrik la akoz ``moeurs`` kiltirel, social epi ekonomik.

Sa-a li indefendab...Pa chache fe làutruche fok ou kondane li ak tou fos...

Se pa yon keksion raciale, se yon INJUSTICE SOCIALE NWA AP FE LOT NWA PAREY YO..
SE MENM BAGAY LA KI FET HAITI TOU..ZAFE MILAT LA SE YON PARAVAN POU TOUT GRAN_NEG TI ZOREY FE SALOPRI YO EPI DI :SE PA MWEN SE YO

LA MAJOPRITE RESTAVEK WOU TAP SITE YO KI KOTE WAP JWENN YO JODI YA..ESKE SE LAKAY MILAT YO

MWEN PA KWE SE MEN KALITE ABUS_ RESTAVEK LA _ LI PLIS YON ISSUE ``CHILD LABOR`` SE PA ESKLAVAJ PASKE RESTAVEK LA PA PEDI LIBERTE LI...JOU LIDEE LI DIL VIRE BOUNDAL ALE LAKAY LI KAPAB.

SE JIS LI PA TOUCHE LAJAN LI SIPPOZE GEN COMPENSATION EN NATURE TANKOU EDIKATION, MANGER, TOIT, HABILLE, SOINS SANTE ETC...

MWEN PAP JISTIFIE ``CHILD LABOR`` MEN NAN PLIZIE KAS KE MWEN TEMWEN CONNAISSANT SITIATION TIMOUN AP VIV NAN YON SERI DE RACOINS HAITI, NAN ANPIL KAS SE YON ``ASCENSEUR SOCIAL``, YON MAL POU WONT EN ATTENDANT LÈTAT KA PRAN ROLE LI POUL ASSIRE TIMOUN KI PLIS POV YO YON MINIMUM GARANTI...




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KAY SA-A WOU WE LA-A KI VO 300-400 MILLE DOLLA HAITI NAN ZONE PETION VILLE SE KAY YON ANSIEN RESTAVEK KI JODIA YA GEN YON FLOTTE KAMION SAB..SE MUSSIEU MENM KI RAKONTEM ISTWA VI LI..EPI SE PA LAJAN POUD BLANCHE..MISSIE TE GEN CHANS LALE LEKOL, LI APRAN FE KOMES LI ACHETE YON PREMIER TI KANTE AK LAJAN PRETE, JIS LI VIN ACHETE YON NEF. JODIA APRES 20 ANS TRAVAY DI AK MADANM LI KI FE KOMES EN GROS ET EN DETAIL, LI GEN 3 MACK BASCULES 6 ROUES AK PLIZE KANTE AK TAP TAP PLIS LI KONSTWI GWO KAY WAP WE SOU PHOTO A LI HABITE NAN YON ETAJ , LI LWE LOT YO. NOM MUSSIEU SE NENE..AL MANDE POU NENE SI SE PAT YON ESCALIER SOCIAL POU LI, SIL TE RETE NAN KWEN MON TI-GOAVE KOTEL TE FET LA..PETET LI TE DEJA MOURI LONTAN AVAN LAJ LI MENM FORME
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DOUB;

Se wou ki renmen pale zafè MILAT ak NWA san w pa vle di l aklè.
Gen de NÈG sou SIT sa a ki te konn pale de de ANVAN 1946 ,ou byen de POUVWA NWA.
De ki sa yo te vle pale?
Bagay sa a se yon ABSIDITE paske anvan 1946 ,se a pèn 15% popilasyon an ki te konn li ak ekri.

Tankou SASAYE rekonèt li ;LAFRIK chaje ak MILAT ;tou senpman EWOPEYEN yo te ann AFRIK depi byen ANVAN yo te lan AMERIK lan.

PÒTIGÈ yo te la depi 1440,1450s yo ;epi anviwon 1460 konsa ,se te tou PANYÒL yo.
Lan peyi sa yo lè EWOPEYEN yo t ap etabli ""settlement"" ;yo pa t vin ak FANM.WA PÒTIGAL lan te entèdi PÒTIGÈ yo ki te koumanse montre PREZANS yo pou yo ale ak FANM.
Dayè pou youn PÒTIGÈ yo te deja abitye ak AFRIKEN yo ki te deja gen yon prezans lan PÒTIGAL,LESPAY ak SISIL.
Se menm bagay lan ,lè PÒTIGÈ yo te kolonize BREZIL ;yo te enpòte FANM NWA de LAFRIK jis pou sèvi yo FANM;paske menm jan ak LAFRIK yo te entèdi FANM PÒTIGÈ yo emigre.

Tankou SASAYE di l ke li konstate ak de NA WÈ l ;mezi MILAT ki gen ann AFRIK ;pou verite ISTORIK ;zafè MILAT lan ,se ann AFRIK li te kòmanse;pa menm ann AFRIK non ;se te ann EWÒP paske te gen yon prezans AFRIKEN solid lan SID EWÒP lan ;ki te kòmanse lan 8yèm syèk e okipasyon an te fini lan fen 15yèm syèk lan.

SE POU SA KE LÈ W AP PALE DE LESKLAVAY ANN AFRIK ,OU DI KI EKZISTE TOUJOU ;LI DIFISIL POU KONPRANN KI SA OU VLE PWOUVE!
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MWEN PAP JISTIFIE ``CHILD LABOR`` MEN NAN PLIZIE KAS KE MWEN TEMWEN CONNAISSANT SITIATION TIMOUN AP VIV NAN YON SERI DE RACOINS HAITI, NAN ANPIL KAS SE YON ``ASCENSEUR SOCIAL``, YON MAL POU WONT EN ATTENDANT LÈTAT KA PRAN ROLE LI POUL ASSIRE TIMOUN KI PLIS POV YO YON MINIMUM GARANTI...



Se komsi w ta di sa pa fè anyen mwen te mèt eksplwate, malmennen, maltrete restavèk yo paske yo ta pi mal kay fanmi yo. Asansè sosyal saa se pi gwo ekskiz nèg ki ap jistifye sistèm restavèk lan.

Afranchisman ak liberasyon restavèke pa resposabilite leta sèlman. Se tpout sitwayen ki pou pran konsyans
se yon abi sosyal li ye.

Depi kilè ayisyen konn obeyi lwa peyi an?
Menm elektrisite nou pa vle peye, ni taks.
Lajistis pa fonksyonen.

Si genyen yon ansyen restavèk ki vinn rich, mwen byen kontan pou li.
Men eske se asansè sosyal la ki mete l la?
Si se sa, eske w ka site 10 moun konsa lan tout peyi an,
Kidonk asansè an pa mache.

Wi, jisteman akôz de sityasyon esosyo ekonomik lan gen plis restavèk kay milat, per kapita.

Mwen pap defan move pratik ann Afrik, men mwen pi konsène pa sa k ak fèt lan peyi nou an.
-Poukisa nou pa kapab rezoud pwoblm ke tout lôt ti peyi lan zonn nan rezoud?

-Edikasyon,
-Anvironman,
-Zonbi ak lougarou,
-Dwa zimen (Restavèk),
-Pwoteksyon timoun (Restavèk ak timoun lan lari.
-Eksklizyon sosyal. (Moun lavil vs moiun andeyô)
-Ti zorèy ak gwo soulyé.
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SASAYE;

Se pou w mande ZÒT ,pouki sa se ann AYITI ,fenomèn RESTAVÈK lan ekziste konsa e li pran ekspansyon sa a.
Gen moun ki di se akòz de ESKLAVAY.
Se pa ka sa ,paske se noumenm lan AMERIK lan ki pa gen ESKLAVAY pi bonnè.
Se lan LANNE 1830 s yo ZANTIY ANGLE yo pa t gen LESKLAVAY (BETAY);lan AMERIK DI SID se lan LANNE 1850Ss yo ,ETAZINI lan 1860s yo;lan BREZIL ak KIBA menm se lan 1880s yo.

Pandan premye koudeta kont ARISTIDE lan ;yon nonm ki te apiye KOUDETA a te ekri ke noumenm AYISYEN ta diferan ETNIKMAN rès NWA lan AMERIK lan ;se te la kòz nou pa ta bon konsa a.

SE PA VRE DITOU ;nou tout se preske menm kote an nou te sòti ;se te lan KÒT WÈS AFRIK lan;se te menm kote.
Se te yon MILTINASYONAL komès ESKLAV lan te ye .Yo te konn depoze yon KAGEZON ann AYITI ,yon kagezon lan rès ANTIY yo elt..

Pa t gen okenn diferans ETNIKMAN ;se rezon sa a se menm KILTI an ;menm RELIJYON an ki siviv lan AMERIK lan.

Nou gen fenomèn RESTAVÈK lan;se paske MESYEDAM yo te refize bati LEKÒL lan pwovens yo .Anpil timoun yo voye fè RESTAVÈK lan VIL yo se te lan espwa ke timoun lan te ka ale lekòl lan vil yo.

Bagay RESTAVÈK vin jan li ye an ;se akòz de moun ki te toujou ap dirije nou yo.
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Joel,

Se sa k fè map mande poukisa nou pa kapab rezoud pwoblèm sosyo-politik ann Ayiti.

Nou pa gen okenn kreyativite. Nou kite tout bagay deperi.

-Gade eta fatra lan tout peyi an.
-Chen sovaj ak chen abandonnen ap sikile lan tout Potoprens, lannwit kou lajounen.
Ou kapab imajinen ki maladi yo simen. Laraj, kontaminasyon....
-Gen yon dezôd jeneralize. Machann toutbagay louvri kômès yo kote yo vle. Li te mèt devan kay prive sitwayen epi w paka di anyen.
-Menm sou Chanmas, devan sièj gouvènman an, pwostitisyon, pwoksenètis ak sous tout maladi:
std, ivh, sida ak lanmô. Tousa ap evolye devan je dirijan ki kapab wè ak de grenn je yo san yo pa bezwen al fôme okenn komisyon bidon.

Eske se paske nou Enkapab?
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Yèr swa m reve fatra :

Ayibo se fatra w abitye ranmase, sa fatra pou w reve !!!


(Tabou Combo : New-York City).



Yon ti moun ki fèt nan yon anvironman o bOr de la saturasyon de dechè, dè zimondis, de fatra. Si li pase tout anfans li nan milyeu a e volUm fatra sa yo an konstant ogmantasyon. Lap pase de lanfans a ladolesans pour atendr lâj adult san randr li kont ke fatra ap monte sou têt li.

Fatra a, an jeneral, pap deranje li.

Problèm jestyon fatra sa a pa resan (30 a 40 tan). Aktuèlman bon nonbr de politisyen ayisyen o pouvwar te grandi avèk gro pil fatra nan la ru.

Fenomèn dadaptasyon du milyeu kontinu a prandr le desu.

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amoph..:-) se zafe pelin tet la: PYRAM yon diaspora haitien new_york ki gen nostalji lakay ki domi reve mouches



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DOUB,

An efè, gen yon enpOrtant sekans nan pyès Franck ETIENNE nan (Pèlen têt) ki fè byen referans avèk pèrsepsyon nou sou degre densalubrite nan peyi a :

Problèm de dechè, dè zimondis, de fatra ki jonch lè ru dè diferant vil e vilaj, konsidere kOm yon grav menas pour leta de sante de la populasyon, yon vrè dezastr ekolojik.


La realite, populasyon kap vivr surplas la (an AYITI) ikonpri politisyen, akomode yo trè byen avèk montAny fatra sa yo.

Yo tèlman akomode, yo pa wè fatra yo. Odèur fatra yo ap degaje pase inapèrsu.

A fOrs de vivr dan dè kondisyon extrêm, populasyon an devlope naturèlman dè zantikOr ki pèrmèt organism yo reziste a dè ka de maladi grav lye o mikrOb.



Moun ki vrèman ap plenyen pou fatra an AYITI, an jeneral, yo de pasaj nan peyi a, w alOr yo wè fatra yo an imaj sur dè zekran dè divèr medya.

Kategori moun sa yo revOlte par sèt situasyon kalifye denfraUmèn, tonbe rele anmwe, kouri pou fatra, dechè de tout sOrt, ... ke pèupl la ap ekroule sou yo.



Seul rekour posibl se dyaspora ayisyèn nan ki pou fèr irupsyon nan peyi a, ekipe danjen lour, mi-lour e leje avèk dè metOd de trètman de dechè "high tech" pour trie, resikle e elimine lè dechè, fatra, imondis, ... dan le respè de lanvirOnman.


Mèrsi pour lyen an.


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