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 Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN

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MessageSujet: Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN   Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN EmptyMar 2 Juil 2013 - 7:59

""It may well be that the late poet and philosopher LEOPOLD SEDAR SENGHOR was correct in wishing for a ""civilisation de l'universel"" but what might be required first ,I argue,is a reconstruction of balance,the rebuilding of a core,as all civilizations and cultures are wont to do.Trust between civilizations would have to be (re)established.Furthermore ,""Gods always behave like people who made them"" according to HURSTON.Some of us have much for which to atone ,but until we get to that level of comprehension and understanding,one may want to agree with KAREN MCARTHY BROWN that ""on the most basic level,cultures are shaped by their root metaphors.Those are the inarticulated yet deeply formative images that direct the flow of thought  and action in any given culture""

""African religions are initiatory rather than dogmatic,metaphysical rather than moralistic (to paraphrase JOSEPH CAMPBELL) and living rather than preserved to cite ROGER BASTIDE and MICHEL S.LAGUERRE.The nature of these religions is rather like jazz:a negotiated conversation improvised between ourselves and telluric forces ,variations upon one theme,We are free upon a bound framework.Music and religion have proven inseparable.Syncopation represents the burps,belches and gutsy growls of live lived at its fullest,the delineation of our physical selves.We are unbounded by life's possibilities ,yet unable to transcend our spirit-selves.Space and place interact.The connection is an anti-universal universalism,in that the agreement is between humans,God and gods,the ancestors,reincarnated souls .and a community in a social compact that stretches  and extends the reach of freedom,understood collectively and contextually.There is more than a passing ressemblance between vibrato and vibration,cleverness between binds that ties.Memory is rooted in experience rather than biology.But within the concept of the transmission of knowledge we operate from,oralitude in this instance ,these memories are embodied ,inscribed in our flesh transgenerationally through the notion of ""technique"".When I dance my ancestors dance with me.To the European diatonic scale we oppose the African pentatonic and hexatonic scales .Dance is movement,movement is life,dance is life""        
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MessageSujet: Re: Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN   Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN EmptyMer 3 Juil 2013 - 8:17

In much the same way ,as one speaks of Buddhist or Islamic societies,one speaks of Voudouist society,based on autochtonous and autonomous philosophical and scientific. systems.
The specificity of the Haitian universe,and by extension the systems from which it derived ,established its distinctiveness vis a vis ""world"" religions and the world powers that derived their ontological assumptions from these religions.JANHEINZ JAHN wrote ""philosophy,theology,politics ,social theory,land law,medicine,psychology,land burial,all find themselves logically concentrated in a system so tight that to substract one item from the whole is to paralyze the structure of the whole.
The philosophical dimension and scientific understanding are of concern to the HOUGAN and the MAMBO and these show parallels to other ""natural"" religions,such as JAPANESE SHINTO and NATIVE AMERICAN beliefs.One notes that these religions still dominate the human landscape in their profusion and by their age.The broad concepts that are at the root of the Haitian system do not illustrate concepts of morality so much as interaction writ large ,scientific principles,and a certain ""coolness"" from the part of the spirit world.In these humanistic ""earthbound"" religions,the human person is never far from the center of interest
-All things are related and one;coincidences are not a part of the script-
-Nature is and must be revered.The energy fields that course through it are the divine work of deities-
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MessageSujet: Re: Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN   Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN EmptyMar 9 Juil 2013 - 12:40

M ap di a la papòt mwen pa VODOUYIZAN,men ou paka AYISYEN ,pou inyore VODOU e pou w pa wè ENPÒTANS li genyen.

E pa gen MOUN ki kwè ke yon MOUN te mouri ,li resisite apre 3 JOU epi li monte lan SYÈL (?) epi menm bagay lan te rive pou MANMAN l.
Epitou ,lè w ap manje ti moso FARIN KWIT ,se KÒ sitwayen an ,w ap manje!
ADYE!
Moun sa yo pa fouti kalifye bagay lòt MOUN kwè tankou SIPÈSTISYON e bagay sa yo kwè an ,sa l ye menm ?
Tankou pawòl lan di l ""SIPÈSTISYON pou SIPÈSTISYON ,N AP PRAN KAY...""

Antouka li DEKLARASYON ,gwoup sa a ki etabli lan INIVÈSITE KALIFÒNI lan SANTA BARBARA .Se yon SELIL REFLEKSYON pou etidye VODOU ki baze lan UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA at SANTA BARBARA.
Deklarasyon an KREYÒL,FRANSE ak ANGLE:

http://www.research.ucsb.edu/cbs/projects/haiti/kosanba
KOSANBA se NON òganizasyon an.

Tande tou ENTÈVYOU ke Dr CLAUDINE MICHEL te bay sou PBS (Speaking of Religion)

http://www.onbeing.org/program/living-vodou/128/extraaudio
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MessageSujet: Re: Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN   Dr PATRICK BELLEGARDE SMITH ap DI pouki sa li VODOUYIZAN EmptyJeu 11 Juil 2013 - 14:59

Sa fè dènye semèn sa yo menm m'ap pense a sa w aborde la. W p'ap kwè si m'di w mwen se yon katolik mal alèz ak atitid lEgliz. Pa blye ke si w pa alyene moun, w pe pa etabli otorite a w, legliz te yon enstriman lan main kolonizatè, epi pou kor'l li reyisi siviv menm lè kolonizatè ta vle disparèt. Men sa chanje anpil, se jis ke yo pa kenbe diskou sa a plis ankor paske san popilasyon endijèn yo li pa kanpe sou anyen ankor, ke se an Afrik ke se an amerik latin, Filipin. Ah papa, yo paka di moun yo pou yo lese on seri de pratik kiltirel tradisyonel, yo pa ka kontinye ap di moun ke la pauvreté se yon vertu, e pi se lan lEgliz ki gen fetichistes, satan, perversion.

Jisteman mwen t'ap di dènyeman kouman legliz ap di pou nou lapryè tout Sen sa yo e pi l'ap kondane mistè vodou lakay nou dotanplis ke vodou a te deja kase met lan main yo paske li te aproprye Sen Katolik yo.

Mwen ekri mo sa yo lan prese, petèt pita mwen va retounen sou kestyon a ak yo.

Se yon katolik serye ki ap pale ak w la J.... Mwen byen kontan w vini ak pawol sa yo paske I,ve been struggling for the last week e pi mwen pa ka di yon seri de moun bèl betiz. Legliz plen prejije e yo respekte Ayisyen anpil paske nou pa ret ak moun menm si yo konprand yo ka bay manti. Zafè doktrin la, dogm la, se anpil mind kontrol, tankou yon bon katolik sipoze menm al konfese peche venyèl devan yon Pè. Mon chè, gen de bagay nou p'ap dakor, men mwen konprand byen ke legliz blan pa fouti anyen ke yon nich pou izipatè. Men pa okipe w, gen anpil moun se yon jwèt y'ap jwe, yo prefere ap jwe ipokrit ak yon band satan. Mwen-menm, mwen jis fè sa manman'm ak papa'm te aprand mwen, lan laj mwen rive la ki peche pou mwen fè.

Kopte moun gen tan pou ap fè peche jodi a. an verite, dehors la mwen plis an sekirite spirityèl ke si mwen ta enplike lan power structure lEgliz.

Sa ki important se renmen prochen a w. Tankou m'ap tande, gen moun se lan legliz yo Sent men se devore y'ap devore vwazen ak vwazin yo ak kout lang. E pi, jan pretres yo jouda. How don't they have a life when they call themselves servants of God. (lol) These guys are as corrupted and as greedy as anybody.

One thing I know for sure, no priest is better than I.

M'ale.
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JORGE AMADO gran EKRIVEN BREZILYEN an ;lan 30 dènye lanne VI misye ,te yon PRATIKAN CANDOMBLE (Vodou BREZILYEN an)
Gen yon MOUN ki te mande misye ,pouki sa yon MOUN tankou l se pratikan,misye te reponn paske l se BREZILYEN.
Misye se te yon EURO-BREZILYEN (antouka ann aparans ,paske 80% BREZILYEN gen SAN AFRIKEN).
Epi misye te di tou li PRATIKE CANDOMBLE ,paske ou pa janm tande PRATIKAN CANDOMBLE yo touye MOUN paske yo pa PRATIKAN ;konpare sa ak ZAK KE RELIJYON KRETYEN yo komèt?
Se byen posib ,se vwa sa a yon MOUN tankou JACQUES ROUMAIN t ap pran tou si l te siviv.Misye se te yon ANTROPOLOJIS e se misye ki te youn lan RA MOUN ki te konfwonte LEGLIZ KATOLIK lan KANPAY REJETE an.
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