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10 steps to dictatorship: Why the grassroots movement in Haiti is taking to the streets against President Michel Martelly
September 25, 20139by Charlie Hinton, Haiti Action Committee

1. Who is Michel Martelly? Martelly grew up during the 27-year dictatorship of Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier and his son, Jean Claude “Baby Doc.”

He joined the Duvalierist death squad, the Tonton Macoutes, at the age of 15 and later attended Haiti’s military academy.

Under Baby Doc, Martelly, a popular musician, ran the Garage, a nightclub patronized by army officers and members of Haiti’s tiny ruling class.


One of many protests against the Martelly regime in the past year, this march in Port au Prince on Sept. 30, 2012, commemorated the 21st anniversary of the 1991 military coup d’état against Aristide and Lavalas.
A man holds up a poster of Martelly in a cat face, symbolizing the corruption of “an expert, bold and greedy
thief who knows no bounds, stealing a part of his very nature,” explains Haiti Acton Committee co-founder Pierre Labossiere.

With that anniversary looming once again, Martelly knows he is in trouble and recently met with Aristide.
After Baby Doc’s fall in February 1986, a mass democratic movement, long repressed by the Duvaliers, burst forth and became known as Lavalas (“flood”), from which emerged Jean-Bertrand Aristide, a popular liberation theology Catholic priest, who was elected president in 1990 with 67 percent of the vote in the first free and fair election in Haiti’s history.

Martelly quickly became a bitter opponent of Lavalas, attacking the popular movement in his songs played widely on Haitian radio.

Martelly “was closely identified with sympathizers of the 1991 military coup that ousted former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide,” the Miami Herald observed in 1996, and ran with members of the vicious FRAPH death squad from that period, infamous for gang rapes and killing with impunity.

On the day of Aristide’s return to Haiti in 2011, after eight years of forced exile in South Africa and two days before the “run-off” election, Martelly was caught in a video on YouTube insulting Aristide and Lavalas: “The Lavalas are so ugly. They smell like s**t. F**k you, Lavalas. F**k you, Jean-Bertrand Aristide.”

2. The fraudulent presidential election of 2010-2011: In the presidential election cycle of 2010-2011, the Electoral Council ruled that Aristide’s Fanmi Lavalas Party could not participate, which de-legitimized the whole corrupt process. Voter turnout was less than 25 percent in the primaries and less than 20 percent in the “run-off.”

The top two candidates announced after the primaries were the wife of a former pro-Duvalier president and the son-in-law of Rene Preval, the president at the time. Martelly was declared third, but his supporters demonstrated violently, and an OAS “investigation” of the elections ruled that, in fact, Martelly had finished second.

Secretary of State Hilary Clinton flew to Port-au-Prince in January 2011, at the height of the Egyptian revolution, to reinforce this decision. Martelly received $6 million from an anonymous donor in Florida to hire a PR firm that had worked on the campaigns of Felipe Calderón in Mexico and John McCain in the U.S.

3. Corruption: Corruption scandals have followed Martelly since he refused to divulge who funded his campaign for president.

•Bribes – Award-winning Dominican Republic journalist Nuria Piera broke the story in April 2012 (later reported in Time) that Martelly was alleged to have accepted $2.6 million in bribes during and after the 2010 election to ensure that a Dominican construction company would receive contracts under his presidency.

In addition, the vote to make Laurent Lamothe the prime minister is known in Haiti as the “tout moun jwenn vote” (“everyone got their cut” vote).

•Surcharge on international calls and money transfers for “education” – Questionable new taxes have also fed controversy. A $1.50 tax on money transfers and a 5 cent per minute tax on phone calls to Haiti are alleged by Martelly to support education, but the poor majority continue to face unaffordable school fees, and critics say no money from this tax has gone to schools.
Moreover, Haitian teachers have been marching to demand back pay.
Martelly’s new taxes were not ratified by or presented to Haiti’s Parliament, making them illegal.

•Travel expenses – When traveling, which he does often, Martelly’s entourage receives an outrageous per diem from the Haitian government. According to Sen. Moise Jean-Charles, Martelly gets $20,000 a day, his wife $10,000 a day, his children $7,500, and others in his inner circle get $4,000 daily.

•A plan to establish an illegal parallel customs system to circumvent legislative control – This allegedly involved the selling of a membership card and gun to anyone who wanted to be part of the Martelly gang.
The membership privileges included tax-exempt status at customs.
The program had to be scratched when the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration complained about members facilitating drug transport on the strength of their membership.

4. Rewriting and undermining Haiti’s Constitution: The overthrow of Baby Doc in 1986 led to the creation of a new democratic Constitution in 1987, ratified in a referendum by an overwhelming majority of Haitians. It recognized Haitian Kreyol as an official language, along with French, and legalized Vodun, the spiritual practice of the majority of Haitians. It provided for grassroots participation in national decision-making, decentralized the nation’s finances and political structure, and provided for protection of human rights.


“Down with Martelly” graffiti is common in Port au Prince.On June 12, 2012, Martelly announced new amendments, which concentrate executive power and herald the return of Duvalier-style dictatorship. The new illegally amended Constitution, written by non-legislators and never seen nor voted on by the Parliament prior to its publication, creates a top down method of choosing a Permanent Electoral Council to run elections, undermining grassroots participation and centralizing control from above.

It allows the president to appoint the prime minister after merely “consulting” the heads of the two chambers of Parliament instead of requiring Parliamentary ratification. In cases of “presidential vacancy,” the new amendments make the prime minister the provisional president, so presidents can resign, appoint the prime minister to succeed them, and thereby maintain perpetual control.

New amendments provide that a “general budget” and a “general expenditures report” can replace line item annual budgets, thus limiting parliamentary oversight of the budget.

New amendments return Duvalier era and other retrograde laws, including:

•A 1935 law on “superstitious beliefs,” which would ban Vodun once again.
•A 1977 law establishing the Court of State Security to increase state surveillance and repression.
•A 1969 law that condemns all “imported doctrines,” thereby attacking freedom of thought and freedom of association. Violation of this new law can result in the DEATH PENALTY. The 1987 Haitian Constitution had eliminated the death penalty.
5. Restoring the army: In one of the most popular moves of his administration, President Aristide disbanded the hated Haitian army in 2005. Since the coup that overthrew Aristide for the second time in 2004, U.N. troops and police, currently numbering 8,754 uniformed personnel, have occupied Haiti. One of Martelly’s campaign promises was to restore the Haitian Army, and now new Haitian troops are being trained by Ecuador and Brazil. In addition, well-armed former military and paramilitary personnel have occupied militia camps since early 2012, supported by Martelly.

6. Return of the death squads: Martelly has issued pink identity cards with a photo for $30 to selected supporters, promising many benefits to those who hold them, like jobs and impunity from prosecution. During the Duvalier period, every Tonton Macoute received a card that provided many privileges, like free merchandise from any store entered, entitlement to coerced sex, and fear and respect from people in general.

Sen. John Joel Joseph has identified senators that he claims are marked for assassination. He identified the people who have been paying the “hit squads” on behalf of Martelly. He denounced one of the men as an escaped criminal who had been caught red handed with a “near death” victim behind his vehicle. Said victim sent the police to a house where two more victims could be found.

Sen. Joseph identified the leader of the death squad and his vehicle, denouncing the group as the one which recently assassinated a grassroots militant. He accused the president and his wife of pressuring the chief of police to remove the senators’ security detail, in order to facilitate their assassinations. He denounced a previous instance when Martelly tried to pressure former police chief Mario Andresol to integrate a hit-man into the police to assassinate Sen. Moise Jean Charles.

7. Death of a judge: Martelly set up his wife and son as head of governmental projects, but with no parliamentary oversight. A Haitian citizen, Enold Florestal, filed suit with attorney Andre Michel before Judge Jean Serge Joseph, maintaining that the Martellys were siphoning off large amounts of state monies, which the Haitian Senate has no jurisdiction over.

Judge Joseph moved the case to the next judicial level, which required depositions from the Martellys and various governmental ministers. Enraged, Martelly and Prime Minister Lamothe called two meetings with the judge – which they deny took place – to demand he kill the case, the second on July 11. The judge drank a beverage offered him at that meeting.

On July 12 Judge Joseph became violently ill and died on July 13. Haitian police arrested Florestal on Aug. 16 after viciously beating him, and Haitian authorities have issued a warrant for the arrest of attorney Michel, who has gone into hiding. A commission of the Haitian Parliament is now calling for the impeachment of Martelly based on illegal meetings with the judge, interference in legal matters and threats to those involved in the case.

8. Corrupting the judiciary and Parliament: The Martelly regime is working to establish executive control over the judicial system through the use of “controlled” prosecutors and judges. In violation of the Constitution, he appointed as Supreme Court chief justice, Anel Alexis Joseph, who is 72. Haitian law says a judge must be 65 or under to be named to this position.


As another way to signal their opposition to Martelly, the Haitian masses march with red cards, which, when given to a player by a football (soccer) referee, mean he’s out for that match and the next. The people are telling Martelly to get out.The chief justice also leads the commission that regulates the entire judicial system, so Judge Anel Alexis Joseph is using his power to block an investigation into the death of Judge Jean Serge Joseph and to protect Martelly and his henchmen from all legal challenges, thereby granting impunity.

Martelly has also corrupted the legislative branch that could bring charges against members of the executive. He ordered the arrest of Deputy Arnel Belizaire in spite of parliamentary immunity and his legal counsel’s advice.

He has so far failed to call elections for 10 senate seats in January and is trying to force the 10 senators whose terms he says are up – they say in 2015, not 2014 – to leave office. Since elections have still not been held for 10 additional seats, if these new 10 seats are vacated, it would leave the 30 member Senate without a quorum, allowing Martelly to dissolve the Parliament and rule by decree.

9. Reactionary economic policy: Martelly enforces the Clinton-Bush plan for economic “development” of Haiti through sweatshops, tourism, and the selling of oil and mining rights to transnational corporations. Under this plan, money donated for earthquake relief has been used to build a duty free export manufacturing zone in the north of Haiti, which was not affected by the earthquake, and several luxury hotels in Port-au-Prince. The Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund made a $2 million equity investment in a hotel called the Royal Oasis to give foreign tourists and investors an “oasis” to escape the miserable conditions under which the majority of Haitians live.

At the same time, the Martelly regime viciously represses the economic activities of the poor super majority. The phone and money transfer taxes cut into their incomes. Taxes have been arbitrarily increased on imports, affecting small merchants. Thugs wearing masks have burnt markets in different cities, causing merchants to lose capital they had been accumulating for years, forcing them to raise new capital through usury loans. Street vendors are harassed and removed forcefully, then, after hours, their stands are looted.

10. Duvalierism returns to Haiti: Martelly warmly welcomed the January 2011 return to Haiti of Jean Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier, one of the most brutal dictators of the 20th century, after his decades of luxurious exile in France. Duvalier still has many supporters in Haiti, some of whom are armed and have a history of killing political opponents.

Martelly’s government is filled with Duvalierists: Hardline former Haitian army officer David Bazile is now interior minister. Magalie Racine, daughter of notorious former Tonton Macoute militia chief Madame Max Adolphe, is Martelly’s youth and sports minister. Public Works Secretary of State Philippe Cinéas is the son of longtime Duvalierist figure Alix Cinéas, who was a member of the original neo-Duvalierist National Council of Government (CNG), which succeeded Duvalier after his fall in 1986. In addition, Duvalier’s son, Francois Nicolas Jean Claude Duvalier, is a close advisor to Martelly.

Conclusion: A major objective of the Duvalier dynasty was to institutionalize dictatorship through death squad brutality, supported by the United States and other powers. Martelly is an example of their policies having come to fruition. He’s restoring a government of impunity per the Duvalier era, building an administration of right wing ideologues who believe in dictatorship and who collaborate to sidestep all legislative and judicial controls.

His goal is to implement extreme neo-liberal economic policies on behalf of Haiti’s less than 1 percent with control over all natural resources. The people will be at their mercy for factory work and other “subservient” positions, under the boot of a U.N. occupation force of 8,754 army and police personnel, the beginnings of a restored army, paramilitary training camps, death squads, gangs and mafias that use the cover of the corrupted executive and judicial systems to operate.

The Haitian majority does not accept this return to the bad old days, however, and has been actively and massively protesting this repression for the past year. They deserve the support and solidarity of freedom loving people everywhere.

The Haiti Action Committee is online at www.haitisolidarity.net, email action.haiti@gmail.com. Charlie Hinton may be reached at ch_lifewish@yahoo.com.



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Under Baby Doc, Martelly, a popular musician, ran the Garage, a nightclub patronized by army officers and members of Haiti’s tiny ruling class.
"Garage"  ak "Sweet Micky" po t ko menm ekziste.


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Surcharge on international calls and money transfers for “education” – Questionable new taxes have also fed controversy. A $1.50 tax on money transfers and a 5 cent per minute tax on phone calls to Haiti are alleged by Martelly to support education, but the poor majority continue to face unaffordable school fees, and critics say no money from this tax has gone to schools.
Saa se manti, se sèl sou Martelly laa ke lekòl leta pa chaje yon goud nasyonal pou "frais".


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4. Rewriting and undermining Haiti’s Constitution: The overthrow of Baby Doc in 1986 led to the creation of a new democratic Constitution in 1987, ratified in a referendum by an overwhelming majority of Haitians. It recognized Haitian Kreyol as an official language, along with French, and legalized Vodun, the spiritual practice of the majority of Haitians. It provided for grassroots participation in national decision-making, decentralized the nation’s finances and political structure, and provided for protection of human rights.


“Down with Martelly” graffiti is common in Port au Prince.On June 12, 2012, Martelly announced new amendments, which concentrate executive power and herald the return of Duvalier-style dictatorship. The new illegally amended Constitution, written by non-legislators and never seen nor voted on by the Parliament prior to its publication, creates a top down method of choosing a Permanent Electoral Council to run elections, undermining grassroots participation and centralizing control from above.

It allows the president to appoint the prime minister after merely “consulting” the heads of the two chambers of Parliament instead of requiring Parliamentary ratification. In cases of “presidential vacancy,” the new amendments make the prime minister the provisional president, so presidents can resign, appoint the prime minister to succeed them, and thereby maintain perpetual control.

New amendments provide that a “general budget” and a “general expenditures report” can replace line item annual budgets, thus limiting parliamentary oversight of the budget.

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Restoring the army: In one of the most popular moves of his administration, President Aristide disbanded the hated Haitian army in 2005. Since the coup that overthrew Aristide for the second time in 2004, scratch scratch scratch  U.N. troops and police, currently numbering 8,754 uniformed personnel, have occupied Haiti
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Se sa ki fè nou toujou ap di ke mwen di mwen konn tout bagay lan wi. Ala moun ki ap ekri jan de bagay sa yo pa menm konnen de kisa y ap pale, men nou vle fè moun kwè ke se jan de moun sa yo ki konnen kisa ki ap pase Ayiti. Menm sa ki rele vodou an yo pa konnen, li ekri l "vodun" pandan plizyè fwa, epi moun sa yo pral pale de Ayiti.
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Tonndè,
Si w jwenn erè lan yon atik e wou gen sous dokiman ki pou korije oubyen demanti sa k ekri yo, ou gen dwa fè koreksyon.
Si w te temwen yon sitiyasyon epi sa yo rapôte an pa kôrèk ou gendwa eki otè yo dirèkteman e demanti yo.
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Sasaye,

Mwen dakò, men tou, mwen ka fè koreksyon kèlkeswa lòt kote ke lòt moun repwodwi atik sa yo tou. Sa pa vle di ke mwen genyen yon bagay pèsonèl ak lòt moun ki repwodwi jan de atik sa yo, toutotan ke lòt moun sa yo pa vle fè m konprann ke se jan de otè sa yo ki konnen sa k ap pase Ayiti pandan ke otè sa yo montre klèman ke yo pa konnen de kisa ke y ap pale.
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Premyeman w malonet paske w konen ke promes SM yo se yon panye san fon. Vagabon an ap gaspiye lajan leta pandans ke moun ap proteste kontr grangou ak la vi che. Misyepa peyemoun li te ankouraje louvri lekol pa yo. Si misye pa t eskro li pa ta dechaje leta de chaj li. Se te yon strateji pou li vole. Salopri a jis vini ak yon lide dyabolik lekol fantom ki pemet li ap plen poch ak pans madanm li.

W se menm kategori vagabon fachis tosyone san manman frapis yo si w ap vin defand bandi demon sa a san agiman. E pi ki kote w soti ak koze se premye fwa lekol gratis lan peyi a?


Dat yo ka pa ekzakt men w fout konen byen ke SM se yon vyolan ki t'ap servi yon klik gwo makoute pi pre ankor misye se te manager club lot neg ke l ap trete de tout nom. Sweet Mickey se yon bully k ap kaponen ansyen patne li yo. Tout sa y'ap di yo se vre.


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ainsi ne soit-il a écrit:
Premyeman w malonet paske w konen ke promes SM yo se yon panye san fon. Vagabon an ap gaspiye lajan leta pandans ke moun ap proteste kontr grangou ak la vi che. Misyepa peyemoun li te ankouraje louvri lekol pa yo. Si misye pa t eskro li pa ta dechaje leta de chaj li. Se te yon strateji pou li vole. Salopri a jis vini ak yon lide dyabolik lekol fantom ki pemet li ap plen poch ak pans madanm li.

W se menm kategori vagabon fachis tosyone san manman frapis yo si w ap vin defand bandi demon sa a san agiman. E pi ki kote w soti ak koze se premye fwa lekol gratis lan peyi a?


Dat yo ka pa ekzakt men w fout konen byen ke SM se yon vyolan ki t'ap servi yon klik gwo makoute pi pre ankor misye se te manager club lot neg ke l ap trete de tout nom. Sweet Mickey se yon bully k ap kaponen ansyen patne li yo. Tout sa y'ap di yo se vre.


Si w vle pran sa pèsonèl kòm dabitid, gaz kole!

1) Pwoblèm wou se ke wou tèlman kwè nan chef de fil wou, se ke wou pa t janm panse ke yon ansyen "NINJA" ki ta prezidan nan figi w laa pandan ke chaje ti anako-popilis souflantyou Aristide parèy wou ki ta "dwe" prezidan. Saa se yon souflèt marasa ki demachwele nou e ke nou menm bizango yo pa p janm kapab padone. Donk se nòmal pou genyen jan de reyaksyon malouk sa yo

2) Si pwa sèvèl wou te pwopòsyonèl ak pwa kò moun, wou t ap vit konprann ke mwen pa demanti dirèkteman akizasyon malvèsasyon ke otè an pote kont Martelly, paske kontrèman ak restavèk Aristide yo, mwen pa defann moun, mwen defann sa ke mwen konnen, mwen jis demanti sa ke mwen estime ke yon moun ak konesans mwayen nan zafè peyi an kapab konnen. Si w pa pami moun sa yo, se pa fòt pèsòn.

Pou m fini, m ap raple w ke se pa nou menm anako-popilis yo ki pou konnen ke makout ak fraphis pa genyen dwa prezidan nan peyi an, Kite sa pou lòt sektè politik paske nou menm, nou trennen peyi saa pi fon nan labim ke kote makout ak fraphis yo te kite l lan. Nou asasen pase yo, nou vòlò pase yo e nou vann dwòg pase yo.
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Sasaye a écrit:

Tonndè,
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Podyab LORAJ lan;

Misye vle GOUMEN ak PIERRE LABOSSIÈRE.Yon VETERAN ki ap batay ak KOMITE SOLIDARITE ak AYITI yo ,depi anvan 1986.
LABOSSIÈRE pa p fè MANK.Misye gen anpil KREDIBILITE lan GOCH AMERIKEN an ;e li gen ANPIL RELASYON lan INIVÈSITE yo ak MILYE AFRIKEN AMERIKEN ENFLIYAN yo.

Mwen wè misye sou la BAL toujou.

THUNDER;
Mesye sa yo pa vle wè FACHIS;KELKELANSWA KOTE YO YE!
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Joel a écrit:
Podyab LORAJ lan;

Misye vle GOUMEN ak PIERRE LABOSSIÈRE.Yon VETERAN ki ap batay ak KOMITE SOLIDARITE ak AYITI yo ,depi anvan 1986.
LABOSSIÈRE pa p fè MANK.Misye gen anpil KREDIBILITE lan GOCH AMERIKEN an ;e li gen ANPIL RELASYON lan INIVÈSITE yo ak MILYE AFRIKEN AMERIKEN ENFLIYAN yo.

Mwen wè misye sou la BAL toujou.

THUNDER;
Mesye sa yo pa vle wè FACHIS;KELKELANSWA KOTE YO YE!
Wi, mwen konnen! Depi se moun ki pa dakò ak anako-popilis yo, tout se fachis, Obama enkli.

Fòk wou aksepte ke se pa tout moun ke Aristide ak bizango l yo kapab bafwe Joel.
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OBAMA pa p defann NÈG ou yo non plis.Mwen pa janm tande misye atake ARISTID non plis.

Mwen di nou veye ZO non ;al etidye kouman AMERIKEN yo te LAGE DWAT DOMINIKEN an; an 1994 e sitou an 1996!

A PA DE DWAT KÒLÒWÒCH AMERIKEN ;de NÈG tankou JIM DE MINT ak ""TEA PARTY"" yo ,se yon MISTÈ lan ki jan AMERIKEN ap kontinye apiye DWAT sa a.

Omwens BALAGUER ,te gen yon SÈTEN APWI POPILÈ.Noumenm ,malgre yo te ba nou teren an pou nou sèlman ;nou paka devlope APWI POPILÈ.
NOU INITIL pou enterè estratejik AMERIKEN ki gen BREZILYEN yo lan TALON yo!
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MessageSujet: Re: Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli.   Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli. EmptyMar 1 Oct 2013 - 8:31

Mwen pa nan defann moun du bec et des ongles nonplis. Se wou menm ki nan yon zafè ladwat tout jounen. Wou konprann ke se fachis ki kont lavalas lan sèlman. Wou chire, ni w pa ka koud. Dwat lan minim an Ayiti, e ni Aristide pat gouvèn e agòch jan ke anpil nan nou konprann nan. Nonm nan se yon anako-popilis ki preche gòch men ki gouvène adwat.

Anplis, m ap raple w ke Obama pa t atake Aristide dirèkteman, men administrasyon l te di klèman ke yo te opoze ak rantre misye nan peyi an, e yo te di ke misye se yon ajan danjere pou demokrasi nan peyi Ayiti. Mwen pa kwè ke w panse ni Clinton, ni Obama se fachis pa vre?
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Non THUNDER;
M ap repete w ankò ;ou pa konprann ETAZINI.Pou ki sa ou konprann DILMA ROUSSEF ap afiche anti-amerikanis li e li ap genyen diskisyon an.
OBAMA ou byen CLINTON pa t janm di ke ARISTIDE se yon MENAS a DEMOKRASI.Mesye sa yo twò entelijan pou yo di bagay sa a.
OBAMA pa t vle ARISTID tounen se pa paske li te yon MENAS a okenn DEMOKRASI se paske misye pa t konnen ki jan ARISTID ta pral aji ou byen reyaji lè l rive PÒTOPRENS.
Mwen di w sensèman san apwi ENPERYALIS yo ;pa gen MOUN ki ka fè l KONPETISYON ann AYITI.OBAMA ou byen CLINTON konn sa.
Kanta konbyen MOUN ki te lan MANIFESTASYON an men sa THE GUARDIAN di sou MANIFESTASYON an e gade sa yo KONKLI.
NEW YORK TIMES ak THE guardian se 2 JOUNAL yo plis li sou NET lan:

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/01/protest-haiti-aristide-anniversary
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Obama was concerned enough about Aristide's possibly destabilizing influence to call South African President Jacob Zuma on Tuesday and discuss the matter, U.S. National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor told The Associated Press. A Zuma spokesman had no comment, saying he was unaware of the call.

"The United States, along with others in the international community, has deep concerns that President Aristide's return to Haiti in the closing days of the election could be destabilizing," Vietor said. "President Obama reiterated ... his belief that the Haitian people deserve the chance to choose their government through peaceful, free, and fair elections March 20."

Wou konprann angle byen, mwen pa bezwen ekri anpli.

Kòm se NY Times ke w renmen, m ap mete l la pou wou tou.

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President Obama reiterated his concerns through a spokesman. “The United States, along with others in the international community, has deep concerns that President Aristide’s return to Haiti in the closing days of the election could be destabilizing,” Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the United States National Security Council, said Thursday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/americas/18aristide.html?_r=0
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Alòs OBAMA di ke the return of ARISTIDE could be destabilizing

Li pa di ke ARISTIDE ta pral destabilize anyen ;se rekonèt misye rekonèt ki lès ARISTID ye.Prezans ARISTID ka destabilize peyi an ;jan yo wè destabilizasyon an ;pa ARISTID.
Se aktyèl ASISTAN SEKRETÈ DETA POU AMERIK LATIN ARTURO VALENZUELA lan ki te di an 2004 apre yo te jete ARISTID an 2004 ke REPIBLIKEN yo te kreye yon lòt PERON lan AMERIK lan.
Nou konnen ke  apre PERON te tounen apre preske 20 an ,ann EKZIL,AJANTEN yo pa t satisfè toutotan PERON pa t reprann pouvwa a ankò.
Se sa mesye yo te PÈ.
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MessageSujet: Re: Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli.   Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli. EmptyJeu 3 Oct 2013 - 1:18

Joel a écrit:
Alòs OBAMA di ke the return of ARISTIDE could be destabilizing

Li pa di ke ARISTIDE ta pral destabilize anyen ;se rekonèt misye rekonèt ki lès ARISTID ye.Prezans ARISTID ka destabilize peyi an ;jan yo wè destabilizasyon an ;pa ARISTID.
Joel, sispan ensilte entèlijans moun. Wou byen konnen ke deklarasyon saa se yon yon fason pou Obama di ke Aristide se yon ajan destabilizatè, yon ravèt ki pa ka manje yon manje men ki ap gate l.

Men si wou ta tradwi saa an kreyòl mo pou mo, li vle di menm bagay lan:

"Retou Aristide kapab destabilize peyi an. Prezidan Obama kwè ke pèp Ayisyen an merite chans pou l chwazi gouvènman l a travè eleksyon ki fèt nan lapè e ki lib e libè..."
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GEORGE ORWELL ta fyè de wou.ARISTID te tounen anvan eleksyon yo.Ki sa li te destabilize?
Eske ELEKSYON an te LIB e LIBÈ kote yo te EKATE PATI L lan.

NOAM CHOMSKY ekri anpil sou NÈG ki panse tankou w e panse menm jan ak ou.
Se NÈG ki ap di ke te gen ""COLLATERAL DAMAGE"" apre yon BONBADMAN.
Moun ki ap emèt OPINYON tankou w yo ,pa janm genyen lè tout MOUN ap pale LIB e LIBÈ.
Mwen di w li ankò ;lè tout bagay ka diskite ann AYITI ;lè MOUN pa p pè pou yo disparèt yo menm jan ak LOVENSKY PIERRE ANTOINE,lè RADYO yo ka pale de GUY PHILIPPE ak CHAMBLAIN menm jan yo t ap eseye bay MOISE JEAN CHARLES chay pote.

Nou pa p menm bezwen gen diskisyon sa yo ankò.
Mwen t ap li ATIK sou CHILI ak AJANTIN.Yo di ke menm apre gouvènman MILITÈ yo pa t la ;te gen DEMOKRASI NOMINALMAN ;tout bagay pa t ka diskite.CHILYEN yo di menm an 2001 yo te kontinye ap pale an SIY.
Men tou lè PAWÒL lan vin debride PÈP yo mande ANRAJE.Yo fout tout KOUDETAYIS MILITÈ anba kòd.
Menm ann EKWATÈ yo kòmanse lan BOUNDA yo ;semèn sa a yo mete 3 militè koudetayis anba kòd ;e se KÒMANSMAN AN:

www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/10/01/world/americas/01reuters-ecuador-crimes.html
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MessageSujet: Re: Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli.   Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli. EmptyJeu 3 Oct 2013 - 8:16

joel a écrit:
GEORGE ORWELL ta fyè de wou.ARISTID te tounen anvan eleksyon yo.Ki sa li te destabilize?
Eske ELEKSYON an te LIB e LIBÈ kote yo te EKATE PATI L lan.
Se pa de mwen pou Orwell ta fyè, se de Obama. Se li ki te di sa mwen repete an.

Joel,

Si genyen yon sektè ki genyen yon machine pwopagann byen monte, konn se lavalas. Men si sa pa t ka ede nou an 2004, se pa t fòt pèsonn.

Lavalas te bay koudeta pa yo an 2000, kisa ki te dwe rive yo menm? Aristide pa t pran koudeta an 2004, Yvon Neptune te di klèman ke se demisyon ke Aristide te bay, li te kouri kou yon ti poulèt kayèt. Anpils, manyè li jounal k ap di jan y ap mete machann dwòg, vòlò, ak asasen anba kòd tou.
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MessageSujet: Re: Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli.   Men kilès ki Michèl Mateli. EmptyJeu 3 Oct 2013 - 11:36

Sa k pase la a .Anpa an DOMINIKANI se LAME DOMINIKEN ki te ede nou fè KOUDETA a y ap mete anba kòd pou DWÒG men se pa LEONEL FERNANDEZ?
Gen yon korelasyon la a.LAME DOMINIKEN an t ap ede nou pou KOMÈS lan te pi byen òganize?

LAVALAS te bay KOUDETA pa yo an 2000 ;ki sa ki te dwe rive yomenm?
Se sa w mande,pa sa?
Alòs si nou eseye vòlò ELEKSYON e lan LOJIK ou an eseye bay KOUDETA ;Ki sa k pou rive nou!

Lan LOJIK ou an ;si nou vòlò ELEKSYON an JANVYE 2014 ;se mete BEKA pou m kenbe LOJIK ou an.
Sa vle di ELEKSYON sa yo dwe se ELEKSYON ki pi PWÒP ki janm genyen lan peyi an!
Pou m kontinye lan LOJIK ou an!
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