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 Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA

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MessageSujet: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptyMer 22 Jan 2014 - 7:47

JEAN DOMINIQUE'S MURDER AND THE CIA

Those interested in Justice for Jean Dominique, a key figure of the Lavalas movement, should listen to Patick Elie's Tuesday Jan 21, 2014 interview with Radyo Lakou New-York.

http://www.lakounewyork.com/emisyon1-21-14.mp3

Key questions people should ask themselves:

Since when have Oriel Jean and Dany Toussaint been on CIA payroll?

Since when are the sponsors of the February 2004 coup, desperately attempting to declare Fanmi Lavalas a terrorist, illegal organization (as they do for Palestine's Hamas and Nicaragua's Sandinista)?

Who facilitated the 2005 escape from jail of 3 of the indicted killers of Jean Dominique and Jean Claude Louissaint?

« l’enquête sur les assassinats de Jean Dominique et de Jean-Claude Louissaint, conclue le 21 mars 2003, avait abouti à l’inculpation et à l’incarcération de six individus : Dymsley Milien dit "Ti Lou", qui aurait reçu la somme de 10 000 dollars pour exécuter Jean Dominique, ainsi que Jeudi Jean-Daniel dit "Guimy", Philippe Markington, Ralph Léger, Freud Junior Demarattes et Ralph Joseph. Les trois derniers ont été relaxés en appel le 4 août 2003. Et en février 2005, "Ti Lou", "Guimy" et Philippe Markington ont profité d’une mutinerie pour s’évader de prison. En fuite en Argentine, Philippe Markington avait contacté Reporters sans frontières pour protester de son innocence. "Ti Lou", aujourd’hui décédé, et "Guimy" avaient repris leurs activités de chefs de gang en toute impunité à Martissant… » (Alterpresse 2 avril 2008)

One last question, why did Dan Whitman, the U.S. Embassy staff with close ties to Philippe Markington wait 12 years before publishing a strange article titled: "Where is Philippe Markington"?

I wonder why some folks are desperate in their efforts to stir our attention away from reality.
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptyMer 22 Jan 2014 - 8:21

Se sa m konnen...

Si se pa CIA, konnen se Michel Francois, Raoul Cedras, K-Plim, Ligonde, Bush, Le Pap, Obama, KGB, Boulos, Apaid, oubyen Chamblain... Li kapab nenpòt sektè, eksepte Aristide ak bizango l yo.

Men pa kont, genyen yon verite ke yo pa ka antere. Pa genyen yon sektè apa de LAVALAS, ki te mete baton nan wou ankèt saa pou l pa t janm abouti. Pa genyen youn nan zonbi yo ki kapab eksplike poukisa ke se sou rejim sanginè lavalas yo ke ankèt saa jwenn plis rezistans pou l abouti jwen gwo pwason yo? Tankou kakakok renmen di, Pouki??? Poukwa???


Fè divèsyon ti misye...
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptyMer 22 Jan 2014 - 12:40

Patrick ELIE se yon NÈG trè respekte;misye pa lan voye monte.
Opinyon misye gen PWA.
Depi se ORIEL JEAN ki te akize ansyen SENATÈ LIBERUS lan ,antèn mwen monte.
THUNDER;
Mesye yo ap konfwonte DISPARISYON yo ,menm jan ak tout EKSTRÈM DWAT lan AMERIK lan.Si w pa konnen gen yon JWÈT pwenn fè pa mò rèd ki ap jwe ant BREZIL ak AMERIKEN pou ENFLIYANS.
Se pa yon garanti ke BREZILYEN lan MINISTA yo ap reyaji pou yo pwoteje EKSTRÈM DWAT AYISYEN an .
Si mesye w yo pa chanje ;yo pa p ka siviv.
BREZIL gen yon gwo PREZANS an DOMINIKANI ;y ap taye ZÈB anba pye ENPERYALIS AMERIKEN an.
Kokenn ATAK ,NAZI yo rele ROGER NORIEGA a te fè sou gouvènman DOMINIKEN an sou pretèks ke l ap defann AYISYEN an ka di nou yon bagay jan jwèt lan ap jwe.
NÈG pa gen lòt CHWA ke se pou yo AFEBLI FANMI LAVALAS-SI YO KAPAB.
Epitou ansyen SENATÈ LIBERUS reponn lan yon entèvyou ke l te bay yon RADYO MIAMI.Manmzèl di ke li pa gen anyen pou l wè ak sasinaj JAN DOMINIK.
Lan entèwogasyon ke JIJ ENSTRIKSYON  an te fè JBA an ;JBA te endigne lè yo te vle mete SASINAJ lan sou DO LIBERUS.

Sa pa pwouve anyen NON ;men ann gade!

Epitou ;NÈG ann AYITI yo ki tankou m te di ke yo tankou FRANSE ki ap fè BATAY la `gè 14-18 e ke se GÈ  1940 lan ke yo pral fè ;OPINYON NONM sa a ki rele LAMBERT lan ka ede yo.

www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2013/06/LAMBERT/49194

AMERIKEN yo pa mèt SITIYASYON an ankò
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptyJeu 23 Jan 2014 - 21:07

To understand why Duvalier, Avril, the murderers of Jean Dominique (whoever they are) cannot be brought to justice, listen to their fellow CIA operative Toto Constant
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Joel a écrit:
Patrick ELIE se yon NÈG trè respekte;misye pa lan voye monte.
Opinyon misye gen PWA.
Depi se ORIEL JEAN ki te akize ansyen SENATÈ LIBERUS lan ,antèn mwen monte.
THUNDER;
Mesye yo ap konfwonte DISPARISYON yo ,menm jan ak tout EKSTRÈM DWAT lan AMERIK lan.Si w pa konnen gen yon JWÈT pwenn fè pa mò rèd ki ap jwe ant BREZIL ak AMERIKEN pou ENFLIYANS.
Se pa yon garanti ke BREZILYEN lan MINISTA yo ap reyaji pou yo pwoteje EKSTRÈM DWAT AYISYEN an .
Si mesye w yo pa chanje ;yo pa p ka siviv.
BREZIL gen yon gwo PREZANS an DOMINIKANI ;y ap taye ZÈB anba pye ENPERYALIS AMERIKEN an.
Kokenn ATAK ,NAZI yo rele ROGER NORIEGA a te fè sou gouvènman DOMINIKEN an sou pretèks ke l ap defann AYISYEN an ka di nou yon bagay jan jwèt lan ap jwe.
NÈG pa gen lòt CHWA ke se pou yo AFEBLI FANMI LAVALAS-SI YO KAPAB.
Epitou ansyen SENATÈ LIBERUS reponn lan yon entèvyou ke l te bay yon RADYO MIAMI.Manmzèl di ke li pa gen anyen pou l wè ak sasinaj JAN DOMINIK.
Lan entèwogasyon ke JIJ ENSTRIKSYON  an te fè JBA an ;JBA te endigne lè yo te vle mete SASINAJ lan sou DO LIBERUS.

Sa pa pwouve anyen NON ;men ann gade!

Epitou ;NÈG ann AYITI yo ki tankou m te di ke yo tankou FRANSE ki ap fè BATAY la `gè 14-18 e ke se GÈ  1940 lan ke yo pral fè ;OPINYON NONM sa a ki rele LAMBERT lan ka ede yo.

www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2013/06/LAMBERT/49194

AMERIKEN yo pa mèt SITIYASYON an ankò


Joel,

Mwen byen kontan ke w konnen ke sa pa pwouve anyen. Men wou toujou nan yon bagay ke Brezil pral sesi, Brezil pral sela, yon zafè ekstrèm dwat sesi oubyen sela. Sanble memwa w kout. Wou bliye ke se Brezilyen ki te ale deloje Dread Wilme? Gouvènman wou toujou ap site yo, se a goch yo a goch, men yo pa p sitire vòlò, asassen, ak diktatè. Nan moman w laa, anpil nèg toxic.
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptyVen 24 Jan 2014 - 5:39

Pou ou menm tout bagay NWA ou BLAN nou pa wè ke se GRI bagay yo ye.
Se sa k fè nou te sezi lè AMERIKEN yo ki te fè nou fè KOUDETA 1991 lan ,se yomenm ki te vin deloje nou ankó.
Nou te plede ap di ke ZE an sòti lan vant POUL lan ,LI PA P REYANTRE ankò.
OU SONJE?
Mwen m ap di w ke BREZIL evolye depi EVÈNMAN ant 2004 ak 2006 yo.Pou BREZILYEN yo pandan EPÒK sa a se GANG yo t ap demantle;menm si JENERAL ki te kòmande TWOUP BREZILYEN yo ki t ap fè WÒKLÒ yo te jwenn li mouri misteryezman ;se yon lòt ISTWA.
Yon lòt bagay BREZILYEN yo aktif ann AYITI ;youn lan rezon yo ,yo te panse ke ETAZINI t ap apiye yo kòm MANM KONSÈY SEKIRITE PÈMANAN lan NASYONZINI ,yon bagay ke yo refize fè.
Kontinye voye SLOGAN monte epi na wè si se pa yon lòt sipriz ki ka ap rete tann nou ankò ;na wè si se pa posib ke ENPERYALIS yo pa chache yon akomodasyon ak ansyen PÈ an menm jan yo te fè l ak GOCH DEMOKRATIK lan lan RD an 1996.
ETAZINI paka kontinye POLITIK li an lan AMERIK lan ,kote enfliyans li la toujou ;li kontinye epi BREZIL pa p kite anyen pou yo!
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptySam 25 Jan 2014 - 11:07

Re: The Dominique murder case (LISTEN AT 3:00)

It appears that one of the killers have been running around bragging about his actions. According to this recording he is none other than Claude Raymond's son:

http://prpetion.podbean.com/2014/01/25/ki-moun-touye-jeando-koute-audio-sa-pou-nou-konnen/#.UuOsxz1XHPA.facebook

(LISTEN AT 3:00)

NB: Claude Raymond was army chief of staff under Haitian dictator François (“Papa Doc”) Duvalier and defense and interior minister under Duvalier’s son and successor, Jean-Claude (“Baby Doc”) Duvalier
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptySam 25 Jan 2014 - 18:30

Joel a écrit:
Pou ou menm tout bagay NWA ou BLAN nou pa wè ke se GRI bagay yo ye.
Se sa k fè nou te sezi lè AMERIKEN yo ki te fè nou fè KOUDETA 1991 lan ,se yomenm ki te vin deloje nou ankó.
Nou te plede ap di ke ZE an sòti lan vant POUL lan ,LI PA P REYANTRE ankò.
OU SONJE?
Mwen m ap di w ke BREZIL evolye depi EVÈNMAN ant 2004 ak 2006 yo.Pou BREZILYEN yo pandan EPÒK sa a se GANG yo t ap demantle;menm si JENERAL ki te kòmande TWOUP BREZILYEN yo ki t ap fè WÒKLÒ yo te jwenn li mouri misteryezman ;se yon lòt ISTWA.
Yon lòt bagay BREZILYEN yo aktif ann AYITI ;youn lan rezon yo ,yo te panse ke ETAZINI t ap apiye yo kòm MANM KONSÈY SEKIRITE PÈMANAN lan NASYONZINI ,yon bagay ke yo refize fè.
Kontinye voye SLOGAN monte epi na wè si se pa yon lòt sipriz ki ka ap rete tann nou ankò ;na wè si se pa posib ke ENPERYALIS yo pa chache yon akomodasyon ak ansyen PÈ an menm jan yo te fè l ak GOCH DEMOKRATIK lan lan RD an 1996.
ETAZINI paka kontinye POLITIK li an lan AMERIK lan ,kote enfliyans li la toujou ;li kontinye epi BREZIL pa p kite anyen pou yo!

Joel,

Se pa yon kesyon de wè tout bagay an nwa e blan, se pito sispann konte ze nan bouda poul. Ameriken te pase lòd pou koudeta 1991, apre yo Mennen Aristide tounen. Men, si apre yo ta "kidnape l" jan wou renmen di an, ki pwoblèm? Poukisa wou dakò pou Ameriken rantre ze a nan bouda poul lan ankò, men wou mande anraje si dapre wou yo ta re-retire l ankò? Wou wè se wou ki genyen konfizyon.

Wou di ke Brezilyen te konprann se gang ke yo t ap demantle? Alò Joel, wou konprann ke wou menm ak SPRAGUE te konprann sityasyon plis ke Brezilyen yo? Ala traka! Brezilyen te konprann ekzakteman ki kalite gang ke yo t ap aneanti yo, gang OPERASYON BAGHDAD yo.

Men pa kont, mwen dakò avèk wou lè ke w di ke Brezilyen yo evolye apre evenman 2004-2006 yo. An 2012, Brezil ak Ekwatè di ke yo pare pou ede Ayiti rebate lame an pou ranplase U.N. nan peyi an:

Citation :
Brazil and Ecuador have agreed to help Haiti set up a new army that will eventually replace the UN peacekeeping force that has protected the impoverished Caribbean nation on and off since 1994, officials say...

Brazil's Defence Ministry confirmed it was prepared to help Haiti in everything it needs to restore its army, including military training and engineering. Ecuador has also pledged its support, a defense ministry official said.

"Brazil will give all its know-how to help Haiti rebuild its army," a defense ministry spokesperson said.

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/107574/ecuador-brazil-to-help-set-up-haiti-new-military


http://www.latinnews.com/component/k2/item/52511-brazil-to-help-set-up-new-haitian-army.html


M ap repete w ankò, sispann konte ze nan bouda poul.
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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptySam 25 Jan 2014 - 23:40

From the Corbettlist archives:
From:Haiti123@aol.com
Fri, 14 Apr 2000

Doesn't it seem strange to any of you that this one of
thousands of editorials Jean Dominique gave during his
career as a journalist should have appeared in full on
line on the CIP site two hours after Jean' murder?

That this should then, quicker than you can say
labratori ap travay, should then become the basis for
a piece in the LA Times, and that now folks are
rushing to translate the original editorial as "one"
of the sources for the LA Times piece. It is and Amy
has admitted it herself, the only source for the
thesis of that piece. (And by the way just a
question, Amy when was the last time you were
physically in Haiti? Cruising the Corbett list doesn't
actually count as a trip to Haiti. )

We now have an entirely self referential circle which
might lead people living outside of Haiti to actually
come to believe that there is a racially based
campaign against mulattos going on in Haiti. This
despite the fact that every person in Haiti knows
this to be absolutely crazy, bizarre and untrue. It is
a neat inversion of reality. Jean's death is so
terrifying, so chilling and so paralyzing for everyone
in Haiti precisely because he was light skinned, from
the upper class, because that doesn't happen, he was
supposed to be untouchable. It is Izmery all over
again.


There were 15,000 people at Jean Dominique's funeral.
Outside of his family there were almost no light
skinned faces. Jean Dominique was rejected by the
class he came from because, over and over through out
his life he stood with the poor, he spoke for justice,
he spoke for the peasants, for land reform, against
the United States dominance of Haiti.

Did he have a run in with Dany Toussaint? Obviously
he did, it is well documented. Did he not also
directly challenge in the past few months Olivier
Nadal with his editorial on the anniversary of the
Pillate massacre? Did he not attack Belanger in an
editorial that exposed not only Belanger long shady
history in Haiti but also his current role in the
electoral coup. Did he not on a daily basis challenge
the electoral council and specifically IFES for its
attempts to disenfranchise the majority of the Haitian
people by making it impossible to get voter cards.
Did he not earn the ire of a very dangerous group of
people when he and he alone in Haiti revealed the
cause of death of Claude Raymond?


Why is no one translating, rushing to post, forwarding
and generally fomenting about all of those editorials.
Perhaps because those who might are still in shock.
Perhaps because they don't have access to the internet,
they don't have money, they cant pay people to write
for them, and they did not have advance notice of the
assassinations that was coming.

http://www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg03287.html


I also considered it strabge that a 1999 editorial was the object of so much focus. I am glad to see that others were questioning the strange orientation of public opinion on this case, from the get go!

Does anyone here have documents showing the specifics of WHat Jean Dominique said about the cause of death of Claude Raymond. Apparently, at the time of his death, Prosper Avril and a number of folks raised hell accusing the Preval government of all sorts of things. That was in February 2000.
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Montas-Dominique said autopsy reports showed that the general died of AIDS, but his supporters blamed her husband for his incarceration. This prompted Radio Liberte, a New York-based station run by former Duvalier allies, to broadcast ominous warnings, such as "the heart of General Raymond will be buried in the courtyard of Radio Haiti." Four months later, Dominique, 69, died there.

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MessageSujet: Re: Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA   Jean Dominique's Murder and the CIA EmptyDim 26 Jan 2014 - 0:22

"Une nouvelle aile droite politique émerge, dont, précisément, le Front pour l’avancement et le progrès haïtien, mieux connu sous le nom de FRAPH. À sa tête, Emmanuel Constant, dit Toto, est le fils d’un chef d’état‑major de Papa Doc. Juste derrière ce jeune chef de parti, qui a des accointances à la CIA, apparaissent Reynold Georges, le sociologue Hubert de Ronceray et dans l’ombre, le filleul de Papa Doc et ancien ministre de l’Intérieur de Jean‑Claude Duvalier, l’ex‑général Claude Raymond, mis en cause dans de nombreux massacres. "

Haïti, dix ans d’histoire Secrète d’Haïti par Nicolas Jallot,et Laurent Lesage (partie6 et fin).
http://levraidiscoursactuel.com/2013/02/

POUKISA NON DIREKTE SEVIS IMIGRASYON GOUVENMAN MARTELLY-LAMOTHE LA, CLAUDE RAYMOND JR, AP SITE NAN LANMO JEAN DOMINIQUE?

http://stream.chuo.fm/play.php?file=2014-Jan-26_18-00 (KOUTE)
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