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Nan emisyon sa a Jafrikayiti pataje ak oditè yo refleksyon Pwofesè Mariana Estevan, yon pitit Brezil, osijè reyalite sosyo-politik peyi li, lavèy koupdimonn 2014 la. (16:03 - 30:40)

Jafrikayiti pataje refleksyon pa li sou atitid pèp Brezilyen konpare ak atitid Ayisyen, nan ane 2014 la. (30:40 - 49:00)

Nan finisman emisyon an, li chita pale ak 2 jenn etidyan Ayisyen ki nan peyi Lachin (54:28 - 60:00).

Koute epi reyaji, si ou vle...

Respè Christelle! Respè Bichara! Obrigado Mariana! Obrigado Caetano Veloso! Obrigado Gilberto Gil!

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"Depi nan Ginen, bon Nè ap ede Nèg!"

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Wi JAF.
Lavni nou se ak de peyi tankou BREZIL.Yon peyi ki kiltirèlman sanble ak nou.
Yo te aprann de nou.
Lan liv li an dr ABDIAS DA NASCIMENTO gran PANAFRIKANIS BREZILYEN te di ke an 1824 làn vil RECIFE lè ESKLAV te soulve pou mande LIBÈTE ,se non WA ANRI KRISTÒF yo te envoke.
Yo te di ke yo t ap montre yo DIY de AYISYEN yo ak ANRI KRISTÒF lè yo t ap di NON a LESKLAVAY.

Yo te aprann de NOU ,nuo ka aprann de yo tou.
An pasan ,lè gen yon gouvènman serye ki ka VANN BREZIL AYITI TANKOU MANMAN LIBÈTE ,de dizèn de MILYE TOURIS BREZILYEN ap lage sou peyi an.
AYITI deja gen yo gwo PLAS lan imajinasyon ""entelektyèl"" AFRO-BREZILYEN  yo

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Monchè Joel, se pa ti opotinite non n ap gaspiye la a. Ensousyan lakay yo voye 200 TiBobo al pran fomasyon nan Brezil...tandiske plen domèn lasyans ak jeni kote nou ta ka pwofite eksperyans Brezil.

Se menmman-parèyman pou relasyon nou ak jeyan azyatik la. Li lè li tan pou nou lage ke jip Taiwan. Se Lachin ki gen anpil pou li pataje ak nou. E se PA plis militè MINUSTAH nou ta dwe ap akeyi. Nou bezwen devlope bon jan teknik pou agrikilti modèn, fabrikasyon elektwonik, bati yon veritab rezo inivèsitè, ak kapital moun epi enfrastrikti fizik....

Malerezman, Jean-Pierre Boyer modèn nou yo se pwogram gouyad, kleren ak kokomakak yo genyen nan lespri yo.


Se domaj ki fè domaje!

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JAF;

Lè mwen wè sa VWAZEN DOMINIKEN nou yo deja ap fè lan BAGAY sa a.
Sa pa p etone m ke DOMINIKEN yo ap vann BREZILYEN yo VIZIT SITADÈL lan pa egzanp.
Touris BREZILYEN kòmanse grennen an DOMINIKANI.Brezilyen yo ap bati konplèks touristik an DOMINIKANI menm jan ak CHINWA yo.
Se pa jwèt non JAF!
Se menm jan ak zafè TAIWAN lan .
CHINWA yo deja ap depanse yon BABAKO LAJAN an DOMINIKANI.Lajan ki pa rete ak LAJAN!
Zòt menm ap pale de yon 10 ak 15 MILYON ke TAIWAN ak depanse.

Se la a INYORANS lan rete ;se pa krap-krap SIBELGWENN ap di ke ENTÈL gen le SAVWA ,ke li te LASÒBÒN!
ADYE,MIL FWA!
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JAF;

Nou pi sanble ak BREZILYEN yo kiltirèlman.DOMINIKEN notwa pou yo fè negasyon de ERITAJ AFRIKEN an.

Noumenm apa de yon pati de ti ELIT LEPANDYÈ an ,nou pa kon sa.

Gade ki sòt de aktivite BREZILYEN yo ap mennen lan PUERTO PLATA ,yo achte l lajan kontan ,lan bon sans lan.
Noumenm ,menm se ak la FRANS ak TAIWAN n ap mare SOSIS nou.
ADYE!

Brazil, Dominican Republic to reboot Puerto Plata’s tourism
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Puerto Plata.- Dominican Republic and Brazil will join efforts to reposition Puerto Plata province as an icon tourist destination and tomorrow Saturday a delegations from both countries will unveil in the Loma Isabel de Torres a plaque to register the correspondence between the monuments; Puerto Plata’s Cristo and Rio de Janeiro’s El Corcovado.

This activity forms part of the province’s recent efforts to restore its image as an international tourism landmark, especially for its beaches, eco-tourism and regional culture.

The event will have a direct impact on Puerto Plata’s economy, tourism and culture, and will be headed by Brazil ambassador José Marcus Vinicius de Sousa, province governor Eridania Llibre, Diocese bishop Julio César Corniel, Tourism Ministry officials and the region’s personalities.

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Le temps passe vite !

Brezilyen yo asosye a dotr peyi konstitue yon fOrs militèr sou kouvèr de Lonu prezant an AYITI plu de 10 zan dejà. Objektif avoue se te ede AYITI a renoue avèk la "paix".

Donk 10 zan Brezilyen yo ap byen mennen, banboche, banbile, bwè breson an Ayiti, yo pa sousyeu yo de soufrans populasyon an (lè zOm dafèr brezilyen pa envesti yon "réal"). A lenvèrs, no zami venezuelyen akOrd yon èd dirèkt a la populasyon, jodia tout ayisyen trè rekonesan anvèr le Venezuela.

CHAVEZ, MADURO vle ede AYITI konkrètman, yo fè li.

Ki sa Brezil ap tann pour envestir an AYITI ?
Ki moun ki anpeche yo envesti ?

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Amòph;
Se lòd ansyen an ou renmen pa sa?
Pou woumenm se peyi ENPERYALIS ansyen yo ou renmen men yo pa gen pa gen yon senkòb penich.BREZIL te gen DIKTATI menm jan ak nou ke ENPERYALIS AMERIKEN an te apiye.Koudeta kont JOAO GOULART an 1964 se AMERIKEN yo ki te fè l
Se gouvènman DOMINIKEN AN ki chita ak gouvènman BREZILYEN pou pale bagay serye.
Mesye nou yo se pa sa y ap regle.
Ki peyi ki te ofri gouvènman ayisyen an 40 MILYON DOLA pou bati yon BARAJ IDROELEKTRIK.
Se te BREZIL.
Mwen pa lan okenn romantism non ;CELSO AMORIM minis DEFANS BREZIL lan te di ke yo te vle envesti lan domèn sosyoeekonomik men se peyi ENPERYALIS lòd ansyen yo ki te di NON.
Se te yon jounal BREZILYEN ke l te di sa.

Se pou gen yon politik ,pou AYITI divòse ak ansyen enperyalis yo pou yo adrese yo ak de peyi tankou BREZIL ak LA CHINE!
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Père Joël a écrit:
Mwen pa lan okenn romantism non ;CELSO AMORIM minis DEFANS BREZIL lan te di ke yo te vle envesti lan domèn sosyoeekonomik men se peyi ENPERYALIS lòd ansyen yo ki te di NON.
Se te yon jounal BREZILYEN ke l te di sa.

Se pou gen yon politik ,pou AYITI divòse ak ansyen enperyalis yo pou yo adrese yo ak de peyi tankou BREZIL ak LA CHINE!



Swa-dizan peyi enperyalist yo gen de trè fOrt enfluans sur le Brezil, yo ampeche li fèr du sosyoekonomik an AYITI.

Sa brezilyen yo pa reusi a mètr an plas an AYITI de pèur ke La FRANS, Lè ZETAZUNI, Le KANADA pa tire zOrèy yo, venezuelyen akonpli li avèk suksès, san zêtr enkyete par sè Grand pwisans.

Ke se "Monsieur CELSO AMORIN" respekte figur moun tande !!!

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AMOPH;

Pè JOEL GRANMOUN se vre ,men li pa p viv dans le pase.
Mwen te mete entèvyou ke CELSO AMORIM te bay gran JOUNAL BREZILYEN an FOLHA a.
M a remete l pou wou si w vle.

Se sou KONT KONSÈY SEKIRITE an ke BREZIL te ye.
Brezil te pran TÈT misyon an ,ou ka konnen ,se te pou peyi sa yo te apiye ""membership"" li lan KONSÈY SEKIRITE LONI an.

Se te yon ""good try"" tankou AMERIKEN yo di ,paske pou mesyedam sa yo aksepte lòt MANM ,se POUVWA yo ki ap diminye.
Pouki sa yon peyi tankou la FRANS se MANM KONSÈY SEKIRITE an e LALMAY ak yon EKONOMI ki pi GWO ANPIL ke la FRANS pa manm.
Gen MOUN ki di ke la FRANS se yon pwisans ATOMIK.
Si se zam ATOMIK ke LALMAY ak BREZIL ta vle ;lan mwens ke 6 MWA yo te ka konstwi yon DOUZÈN.
Se pa pè BREZIL pè peyi ki lan KONSÈY SEKIRITE an ,menm yon peyi tankou ETAZINI.
ETAZINI paka menase BREZIL ankò ;okontrè ETAZINI ap koutize BREZIL pou ede l lan politik li ann AFRIK pou kontrekare la CHINE.
BRAZIL ap kontinye pwòp politik li lan AMERIK LATIN.BREZIL pa gen menm ENTERÈ ak de peyi tankou la FRANS ak ETAZINI.

M ap repete l BREZIL envèsti lou lan EKONOMI DOMINIKANI ;menm LAME BREZILYEN an gen FAKTORI lan DOMINIKANI pou fabrike BAL.

Lavni nou se pa ak de peyi tankou la FRANS ak ETAZINI ankò.M ap repete l se ak de peyi tankou BREZIL ak la CHINE.

BREZIL te pase menm maladi ak nou ,yo te gen DIKTATI KRAZE ZO ;menm si DIKTATI sa yo pa t lan pwen sa nou te genyen ann aAYITI yo
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An apwiyan sou sa venezuelyen, kuben realize an AYITI, èske deklarasyon "Monsieur CELSO AMORIN" nan merite atansyon nou ?

Lè sèul peyi restan atache a lèur prensip, fidèl vi-za-vi DAYITI se LE VENEZUELA e KUBA.

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AMOPH;

Mwwen t al chache entèvyou CELSO AMORIM lan pou wou ,men mwen wè ke FOLHA mete restriksyon sou atik yo kounye an .Si w ka gen aksè ak li e tradwi li ak GOOGLE TRANSLATE ,adrès lan se:

www1.folha.uol.com/mundo/2014//06/1462966-nao-podermos-abandonar-um-trabalho-de-tantos-anos-no-haiti-diz-amorim.shtml

Li eksplike ki politik BREZIL ap mennen ann AYITI
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Nan dosye sa a, se manfouben nou yo ki merite tout blam nan. E se la a Dominiken yo fè gwo pwen sou nou paske lidè kowonpi pa yo defann kèk enterè nasyonal, malgre tou. Tandiske mesyedam lakay yo se 'per diem' y ap kolekte epi gouyad y ap planifye. VIZYON ZEWO BARE!
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Wi se pou nou ta fè biznis ak Brezil ak Lachin, menmsi Ayiti genyen yon tetelang avèk Tayiwan.
Mwen deja di nou ke Lachin ak Tayiwan gen gwo biznis ant yomenm. Nou pa bezwen divòse ak Tayiwan pou nou fè biznis ak Lachin. Kounyea Lachin pa lan jalouzi ak Taywan ankò. Yo finn tabli.

Nou pa oblij kase kòd ak lòt peyi nonplis. Nou dwè fè biznis ak tout peyi depi se lan yon nivo patnè egalego.

Men mwen pataje opinyon Amòf ki mande kisa ki anpeche Brezil fè tankou Venezuela ak Kiba.

Brezil pa pè kominote entènasyonal, se vre.
Men yo deja enplike ann Ayiti depi yon dizèn ane.
Menmsi dirijan dominiken pi dinamik ke pa nou yo, Brezilyen yo konnen trè byen ki resous ak ki posibilite ki genyen ann Ayiti.
Yo wè sa ak dezye yo.
Yo konnen mantalite ayisyen pi byen pase dominiken.

Si nou pataje patrimwan afriken ak yo plis ke dominiken, poukisa ya l envesti an Dominikani plis ke ann Ayiti?






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"Si nou pataje patrimwan afriken ak yo plis ke dominiken, poukisa ya l envesti an Dominikani plis ke ann Ayiti? "

Paske lidè Dominiken yo louvri pasaj ba yo sou teren envestisman serye tandiske kreten lakay yo, se ekzibisyon foutbol yo te bezwen bay, nan envite Ronaldinho nan estad Sylvio Cator, se 200 ti bouwo yo voye al pran fomasyon krazezo nan men militè Brezilyen.

An plis, lè biznismann Brezil ap obsève ki jan enfrastrikti eletrisite zewo bare nan peyi nou konpare ak kay vwazen - biznisman se "bottom line" l ap defann, li plonje kote dlo a koule pi fre. Epi, pa bliye, moun ki biznisman Brezilyen yo se pa Afwobrezilyen Salvador Bahia yo - ni non plis biznisman Ayisyen ki ta patnè natirèl yo pa bay koze relasyon rasyal anyen regle pou yo - okontrè! Ojis, malandren ki te konsil Ayisyen nan Brezil la se yon rasis anti-Nèg dènye limit ki te fè yon deklarasyon tèt chaje alepok diktati Gwo Jera a. M pa konn si ou sonje sa.

Brezil gen menm defi prejije yo y ap debat ak yo toujou....se yon potansyèl ki ekziste pou chètout Ayiti ak Brezil la pran fos, se pa yon garanti, ni yon bagay k ap reyalize san envestisman tan ak lot resous.

Imaj pozitif ki pase nan mizik Caetano Veloso a se youn, reyalite jewopolitik ak enterè biznisman se 2.

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Mwen pa gen okenn ilizyon ta ka gen yon solidarite rasyal non.
Pa bliye se lan lanne 1880s yo ke BREZIL te aboli LESKLAVAY .
E apre ABOLISYON sa a te gen yon seri de DJÒB moun NWA pa t gen DWA ak yo ;se te OFISYE LAME ak PÈ KATOLIK.

Brezilyen yo akoz de ISTWA yo ,akoz de ENPERYALIS lan ki te mete pye sou KOU yo wè bagay yo yon ti jan diferan ke ENPERYALIS ""tradisyonèl"" yo.
Si yo vle vin yon pwisans mondyal jan yo vle l ,yo oblije fè bagay yo yon lòt jan.
Pou premye fwa ,sa gen 2 zan plis ke 50% popilasyon an rekonèt ke yo NWA;se te yon gwo PA.

Enperyalis TRADISYONÈL yo ,FRANS ETAZINI ak lòt yo pa p chanje.EKSPLWATASYON AVÈG lan rantre lan ADN yo.

Jan BREZILYEN yo ap aji ann AFRIK diferan de lòt ;AFRIKEN yo plizanmwen gen konfyans lan yo ,a yon pwen tèl ke AMERIKEN yo ap mande BREZILYEN yo konkou.
MWEN PÈSWADE ke si yon bon entèlokitè ;diferan de sa nou genyen la yo;jwisè sa yo ;yo t ap aji diferaman;paske AYITI gen anpil filyè pou yo ta envesti.
Seryezman pito yo ta lan sektè minye an ,paske se lòt ALOUFA yo!
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Alò, pou fè konvèsasyon an mache:
Si lojik sayo alabaz pozisyon Brezilyen, Venezyelyen ak Kiben pa gen menm lojik?

Meriken ak Kanadyen ki ap pran jòf sou sa nou genyen malgre tout feblès enfrastrikti nou yo, kisa ya p vin chèche?
Yo pa gen "bottom line" tou?

Mwen pap bay nèg tèt kale yo absolisyon, men yon bon biznisman konnen lè gen yon pwofi, menmsi kondisyon yo pa toujou parèt. Se konsa "Stòk Makèt" fonksyone menm: achte pandan l ba, wa revann lè l monte.
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jafrikayiti a écrit:
"Si nou pataje patrimwan afriken ak yo plis ke dominiken, poukisa ya l envesti an Dominikani plis ke ann Ayiti? "

Paske lidè Dominiken yo louvri pasaj ba yo sou teren envestisman serye tandiske kreten lakay yo, se ekzibisyon foutbol yo te bezwen bay, nan envite Ronaldinho nan estad Sylvio Cator, se 200 ti bouwo yo voye al pran fomasyon krazezo nan men militè Brezilyen.

An plis, lè biznismann Brezil ap obsève ki jan enfrastrikti eletrisite zewo bare nan peyi nou konpare ak kay vwazen - biznisman se "bottom line" l ap defann, li plonje kote dlo a koule pi fre. Epi, pa bliye, moun ki biznisman Brezilyen yo se pa Afwobrezilyen Salvador Bahia yo - ni non plis biznisman Ayisyen ki ta patnè natirèl yo pa bay koze relasyon rasyal anyen regle pou yo - okontrè! Ojis, malandren ki te konsil Ayisyen nan Brezil la se yon rasis anti-Nèg dènye limit ki te fè yon deklarasyon tèt chaje alepok diktati Gwo Jera a. M pa konn si ou sonje sa.

Brezil gen menm defi prejije yo y ap debat ak yo toujou....se yon potansyèl ki ekziste pou chètout Ayiti ak Brezil la pran fos, se pa yon garanti, ni yon bagay k ap reyalize san envestisman tan ak lot resous.

Imaj pozitif ki pase nan mizik Caetano Veloso a se youn, reyalite jewopolitik ak enterè biznisman se 2.

Jaf se pou w kòmanse yon kote.
BREZILYEN yo te an reta sou kesyon rasyal lan.Yo konnen ke si yo pa rezoud li ,si yo pa alevye l yo pa p janm rive PWISANS ke yo  vle rive an.
Se yo ki gen pi LAJ DYASPORA AFRIKEN sou PLANÈT.Yon sèl peyi ki gen plis MOUN NWA ke BREZIL se NIJERYA.

Zafè RAS sa a ,se lan TÈY MOUN li ye ,li pa gen BAZ an fè e an SYANS ,se lan TÈT MOUN yo pou retire l.
Depi LULA kite pouvwa a ,se sa li ap chache fè.
Misye mande pou yo ANSEYE ISTWA AFRIKEN lan tout lekòl yo pou BREZILYEN yo gen yon lòt PÈSEPSYON de LAFRIK ak moun NWA.
Ann AYITI ki pa gen DOUT ke se yon peyi moun NWA ,yo pa anseye ISTWA AFRIKEN.
LULA di se pou yo chanje pèsepsyon LAFRIK lakay MOUN ki orijinè LAFRIK ak sa ki pa orijinè de KONTINAN an.Misye di se lan ENTERÈ NASYONAL BREZIL.
Brezilyen yo menm si yo an reta ,y ap ratrape yo VIT:

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New York TIMES ekri yon atik ,ann esans pou l di ke MATELI ap LALÒZ pou l vòlò ELEKSYON.

NYTIMES di antr'òt ke MATELI ta vann mèch lan lè li nonmen AVOKA JCD lan tèt yon potansyèl KONSÈY ELEKTORAL.

Yon bagay ke LIBERAL yo konn ap repwoche NYT ,se apre bagay yo rive yo konn pale negativman de yo.
Pa egzanp yo kòmanse pale negativman de GNBis yo ,se apre KOUDETA a.

NYTIMES konnen ki ENFLIYANS li genyen ,sitou sou yon administrasyon DEMOKRAT.
Si w li ATIK lan anba anba ,yo deja mete pi `fo deblozay ki ta ka pete sou do MATELI ak DIVALYERIS yo.
Yo pale de ENFLIYANS DIVALYERIS.
Yo mete LAVALAS anfas MATELIS yo e se pa negativman tankou PRÈS FRANKO-AYISYEN an konn fè l.

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Haiti Elections in Doubt as Ex-Presidents Stir Pot
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLDJUNE 7, 2014
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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — When he returned to Haiti from exile three years ago, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the former priest turned president turned deposed president, promised to stay out of politics. Yet the political party he founded and continues to inspire has routinely sent thousands of people into the streets to protest the current government, demanding the resignation of the prime minister.

When the former dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier returned from exile a few months before Mr. Aristide, he kept largely to night spots and defending himself against an investigation into human rights atrocities during his rule. Yet not long ago he showed up in a seaside village to inaugurate a new political party that, however small, got a lot of people talking.

And the current president, Michel Martelly, remains locked in a standoff with political opponents over long-overdue elections, attracting waves of international dignitaries in recent weeks to try to defuse a crisis that could leave the coup-prone country without a parliament and with a president ruling by decree, an ominous echo of its autocratic past.

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The story of the delayed reconstruction of Haiti after the January 2010 earthquake is largely one of unmet pledges of billions of dollars in aid from the international community. But the simmering, uncertain politics that perennially push the country to the brink of instability — and sometimes over it — have taken a more hidden toll, thwarting the kind of private investment vital to long-term development and improving its image, and laying bare yet again the fragility of democracy here.

“It’s a constant frustration to see Haitian leaders more interested in fighting each other than coming together to work together for the future of Haiti,” said Robert Maguire, a George Washington University scholar and longtime observer of Haiti politics. “Opportunities are being squandered in Haiti, right when it needs them more than ever, because the politics are so polarized.”

Mark L. Schneider, a Haiti expert at the International Crisis Group, an independent organization that analyzes conflict zones, said many investors who have expressed interest in Haiti have not followed through in part because of the unsettled politics, unfulfilled changes to business law to ease investment, and weak institutions.

“People are just holding their breath,” Mr. Schneider said. “Until the political uncertainty is resolved, a lot of people do not want to invest.”

Mr. Martelly and Parliament cannot agree on how municipal and legislative elections intended for October would be run. Without the election, Parliament could be dissolved in January, throwing the country into political chaos.

Even if the election could be pulled off, things could get unwieldy: Two-thirds of the 30-member Senate, all 99 seats in the lower chamber and hundreds of municipal offices would be at stake.

Both sides blame the other for intransigence. Mr. Martelly, his opponents say, has always wanted to rule by decree and so until recently, facing tremendous international pressure — including an Oval Office urging by President Obama — he has dragged his feet on negotiating for elections. Martelly supporters counter that members of Parliament have stalled because they wanted to extend their terms and weaken the president ahead of the presidential election in 2015.

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Mr. Martelly, who has made little secret of his disdain for Congress, is now attempting to push forward with the elections by naming his own council to run them, including last month appointing a Duvalier friend and lawyer to the panel, drawing new fire from opponents worried about the influence of the old dictator.

Although a handful of new hotels have opened or are under construction, a few new garment and other industrial factories have opened, and, officials assert, crime has dropped, there is a sense that Haiti’s redevelopment should be farther along.

Electricity still comes and goes, roads remain choked and potholed, refuse clogs drainage canals and 137,000 people remain in encampments — though that’s down from 1.5 million after the earthquake.

On the streets people complain that the halting rebuilding has not done enough to narrow the deep chasm of inequality that has long bedeviled the country and often stirred political dissent.

“In the media they say they are doing this and that, but not around here — it is all the same,” said Jean Lucknef, 38, an unemployed laborer in the Fort National neighborhood, one of the hardest hit in the quake. “No matter who is elected it is all the same. The government was supposed to create jobs, and we have none while we all have children to worry about.”

He swept his hand around a group of idle young men, some smoking marijuana, who admitted they have participated in protests but denied, as some Martelly supporters have said, that they were paid to do so.

“We want the change that we were promised,” said one, who declined to give his name out of fear of reprisals from the police.

Mr. Martelly met last week with members of the Senate to reach a new compromise for elections, but talks ended without an agreement.

Haiti’s newly appointed Cardinal Chibly Langlois had mediated a previous agreement to hold the elections, but it has not been ratified by the Senate because six members refuse to sit, denying a quorum for the vote.

As part of that agreement, reached among some 50 political parties but boycotted by some of the largest Martelly opponents, Mr. Martelly’s prime minister, Laurent Lamothe, agreed to shake up the cabinet — the third one in two years — in a bid for more openness with the opposition. Haitian journalists, however, could find few if any dissident voices among the new appointees.

Mr. Aristide’s Fanmi Lavalas party was conspicuously absent from the agreement.

The party has splintered over internal disagreements since the return of Mr. Aristide, a touchstone figure of the left here and abroad who ushered in Haiti’s first democratic elections in 1991 in a coup-interrupted first term but left on an American military airplane in his second term in 2004 as dissent threatened to topple him.

Maryse Narcisse, the party’s coordinator and a potential candidate for president, said Mr. Aristide, who did not respond to an interview request, remains the “charismatic leader” of the party and offers advice as someone who “has a lot of political experience,” but mainly focuses his time on his educational foundation. She denied the party was sowing chaos but instead, like a smattering of lesser-known parties protesting in the streets, was exercising its right to hold the government accountable.

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“Lavalas will continue to mobilize with the people of Haiti,” she said.

Less certain is what Mr. Duvalier is up to. Several people with ties to his regime have served in the Martelly administration or advised it, and his sudden, if fleeting, reappearance on the political stage was seen among analysts as a tweak to Mr. Aristide, a bitter enemy and political opposite.

Amid all the uncertainty, an array of international leaders — including ambassadors, former world leaders and members of the United States Congress — have visited Haiti in recent weeks to push for the elections and avert a worsening of the crisis.

The lack of elections this year “would engender yet another political crisis, with unpredictable consequences for the future of Haitian democracy,” said a statement by the United Nations and the Core Group of ambassadors from the United States, France, Canada and other primary supporters of Haiti.

The stalemate could go on. The president of the Senate, Simon Desras, has not sounded conciliatory, publicly accusing Mr. Martelly and Mr. Lamothe of violating the Constitution at best, corruption at worst. He has not pushed a vote on the accord because, he said, it is unconstitutional.

“It is the dream of the government to rule by decree,” he said in an interview. “They don’t see the danger in the streets, that many senators and members of Congress could become militants. The country would plunge into chaos if there are no elections.”

A version of this article appears in print on June 8, 2014, on page A6 of the New York edition with the headline: Haiti Elections in Doubt as Ex-Presidents Stir Pot. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe

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Damn!
Mwen te kwè mwen te louvri yon PÒS NÈF!

Se pou nou remake ki jan NYTIMES pale de ARISTID.

""A touchstone figure of the left here and abroad""

"'Yon figi ENKOUTOUNAB pou GOCH lan ann AYITI ak a LETRANJE""
Sanble ke PRÈS GNBIS-FRANCO-AYISYEN an apre plis ke 10 zan DYABOLIZASYON ARISTIDE ,sanble yo fè yon ""VICTOIRE A LA PYRRHUS""
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Gen yon pasaj sou VIZIT LULA lan BENIN an.Yo di ke apre misye fin vizite kote ESKLAV yo te konn anbake,misye te asiste yon SEREMONI VODOU.

Ki prezidan AYISYEN si li t al vizite yon peyi ann AFRIK ta ka oze al asiste yon SEREMONI VODOU?
Yo t ap di se pwen li t al mare (lol):

BRAZIL historical and cultural ties with Africa had already been highlighted in Benin. In that West African nation, Lula visited the “Gate of No Return”, where slaves were shipped off, but through which some came back after Brazil – Latin America’s giant – abolished slavery in 1888. The president met with the descendants of one of the families that returned, whose last name is also Silva. In addition, he took part in a local VOODOO ceremony
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Manifestan Brezilyen deklare: Nou renmen foutbòl, nou rayi FIFA!

Ayisyen reponn: NOU RENMEN BREZIL, NOU RAYI MINUSTAH-CHOLERA!

Se pa jwèt!
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À la toute dernière minute l'Equateur s'est Suissuidé!
Se bon pou lwa! Yo va sispann ede koudetayis kriminèl tankou Guy Philippe !

Ayè Kostarika te pase kadejakè Irigwe yo yon bèl suif nan gou Johnny Jean ak moun Pòsali.

Talè konsa Lafrans pral pran yon pataswèl nan men Onndiras... E sa m wè pou Bwenozè... pito m pe!
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Jaf sanble kok kalite la Frans se pa ti kok dèyè manman zanmi w lavalas yo. Se bon jan zepon, yo lage nan flan Ondiras ak Suiss.

Jaf ki pwonostik malathchong wou pral voye monte.
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JAF;

Pou kontinye sou zafè BREZIL lan.
Ou kapab bat BRAVO sou KONTAK ke AFRIKEN-AMERIKEN yo ap fè ak KOUZEN AFRIKEN BREZILYEN yo.

BREZILYEN NWA yo envite yo pou EKPÈTIZ yo lan konbat DISKRIMINASYON.
Entelektyèl afro-ameriken yo rekonèt enpòtans AFRO-BREZILYEN yo lan KONBA pou EGALITE EKONOMIK pou tout NWA sou TÈ sa a.
Se te yon EMISYON ki te parèt sou PBS ,televizyon piblik AMERIKEN an ki te pwovoke anpil DISKISYON.
Si w pa gade tout EMISYON an ,kòmanse lan 45 MINIT.
NWA BREZILYEN yo gen yon patikilarite.YO ANPIL!

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