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MessageSujet: President Obama's courage is admirable.   President Obama's courage is admirable. EmptyJeu 29 Déc 2016 - 5:25

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." MLK

I applaud and respect President Obama ,Secretary Kerry and The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations for their courage . It is time that the foreign policy of the United States is not decided only to protect the interests of the State of Israel ,but to recognize also the rights of the Palestinian people to live in peace on their lands.

The decision not to veto the U.N resolution that condemns the occupation and building on Palestinian lands by the State of Israel is wise and just. The Foreign policy of the United States can not be decided by Prime Minister Benjamin Nethanyahu . The interests of the state of Israel are not always the same as the interests of the United States.

It is said on 9-11-2001 the Jews didn't go to work in the World Trade Center. We must condemn terrorism in all its forms and whoever is the perpetrator because there is a price that people and nations that oppressed other people must pay.

Donald Trump said before too many mistakes were made by the United States in the Middle East. If He were not a demagogue instead of criticizing President Obama he should congratulate him. How come He didn't criticize his patron , Vladimir Putin ?Russia and China also have the vetoing power in the United Nations

I am more proud of President Obama nowadays than before. Barack Obama knew he could not take certain decisions during his first mandate . Donald Trump will do whatever he wants with the U.N. after January 20,,2017 .There is only one President of the United States right now ;his name is Barack Hussein Obama and I am proud of him because he is not a demagogue. President Obama and Secretary Kerry stand up for justice for the Palestinian people and free Americans ,I am not talking about zombies ,should be proud of them.
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I have to admit that when it comes to Israel I am biased. I believe it is a long held view that I have here on the forum. It is disgusting to see how BO threw Israel under the bus. I cannot believe it.


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What does that mean :Threw Israel under the bus ? It is not the United States which proposed the resolution that condemned Israel for building the settlements in Palestinian territory; The U.S. didn't veto the resolution . China and Russia also have veto power. Israel can not be right and all the countries members of the United Nations be wrong. France didn't veto the resolution; Why ? Because it is just.

What would you do if the Dominican government were taking our lands?
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MessageSujet: Re: President Obama's courage is admirable.   President Obama's courage is admirable. EmptyVen 30 Déc 2016 - 6:08

When is enough is enough?

When it pertains to ISRAEL.
OBAMA paraphed an aid package to ISRAEL worth 38 BILLION DOLLARS over 10 years .
He built the IRON DOME anti-missile system which is protecting ISRAEL against the MISSILES of HAMAS.

Yeah!
OBAMA should have engaged the U.S in a shooting war with IRAN ,to protect ISRAEL?
IRAN is not IRAQ.IRAN is a very sophisticated country with a very sophisticated MILITARY.
IRAN has twice the POPULATION of IRAQ wth twice the LAND MASS.

The WAR in IRAQ ,provoked by the NEO-CONS ,SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL has weakened the U.S in the REGION.
The dominant power is this part of the MIDDLE EAST now is IRAN.
Ironically,the war in IRAQ had UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ,because the dominant power in IRAQ today is IRAN.
SADDAM HUSSEIN was a counterbalance to IRAN.
God or WHOEVER WHATEVER help the U.S if these NEO-CONS ,FANATIC SUPPORTERS of ISRAEL return with this IDIOT of DONALD TRUMP.





By PHILIP GORDONDEC. 29, 2016




Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem on Wednesday. Credit Jim Hollander/European Pressphoto Agency

Even before President Obama’s decision last week to abstain on a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlements, it was safe to assume that the Israeli government was eagerly awaiting his departure. In the eyes of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Mr. Obama — who skipped Israel on his first trip to the Middle East and later undertook secret nuclear talks with Iran — seemed unable to appreciate the depth of Israel’s security needs or the difficulties of Mr. Netanyahu’s domestic politics.

Mr. Netanyahu was officially neutral during the United States election campaign, but it’s a good bet that he privately rejoiced over the election of Donald J. Trump and the prospect of an American administration ready to align itself across the board with Israeli government positions. Mr. Trump’s immediate condemnation of Wednesday’s scathing anti-settlement speech by the departing secretary of state, John Kerry, no doubt only reinforced the feeling in Jerusalem that better days lay ahead.

But any celebrations in Mr. Netanyahu’s office may prove premature. By giving the Israeli prime minister all he claims to want and more, Mr. Trump could make his life vastly more difficult.

Consider some of the possible changes to American policy on the Palestinian issue. After the Obama administration’s clashes with Israel over its settlement policy and lack of action on a two-state solution, the new administration appears ready to embrace the notion of “greater Israel,” breaking with decades of American policy.

Mr. Trump’s top Israel adviser and newly nominated ambassador to Israel, David M. Friedman, has said he does not see settlements as an “obstacle to peace” (a longstanding mantra of the American government), that Mr. Trump would most likely support Israeli annexation of parts of the West Bank, and that support for the two-state solution itself may no longer be American policy.

But as much as Mr. Netanyahu chafed at Mr. Obama’s stance, he benefited enormously from it. Knowing how badly Washington would react if he sided with the far-right elements of his cabinet on “legalizing” illegal outposts or West Bank annexation, Mr. Netanyahu had a good argument for rejecting such calls, and he won domestic support for doing so.



If Mr. Trump now ends up himself embracing these moves, Mr. Netanyahu may not be able to resist them — setting him on a course that he knows will have unpredictable consequences, from European boycotts to prosecutions by the International Criminal Court to the loss of support from American Jews uncomfortable with the prospect of perpetual Israeli rule over millions of disenfranchised Arabs.

Or take Mr. Trump’s campaign commitment to move the American Embassy to Jerusalem, satisfying longstanding Israeli calls to recognize an undivided Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state — but also angering Palestinians and Muslims around the world. Like the visit by Ariel Sharon to what Jews call the Temple Mount (and which Muslims call the Noble Sanctuary) in 2000, which prompted the second intifada, moving the embassy is a symbolic step that could have substantial repercussions.

It has the potential to provoke protests that could imperil the lives of Israelis and Americans, interfere with Israel’s critical and growing strategic and economic cooperation with its Arab neighbors, destabilize Jordan and undermine Israeli-Palestinian security ties. It is a move that Mr. Netanyahu can hardly oppose — he recently called the idea “great” — but may soon come to regret.

Perhaps the most important — and counterintuitive — area where Mr. Netanyahu may come to miss Mr. Obama is the Iran nuclear deal. I have no doubt that Mr. Netanyahu’s opposition to the deal was sincere. But it is also true that the accord had real advantages for him. By vigorously opposing the deal, he was able to strengthen the negotiating position of the American administration and its partners and present himself to the Israeli public as the candidate of toughness and strength — while at the same time reaping the benefits of an agreement that his top military advisers acknowledge has effectively halted Iran’s nuclear program and most likely staved off a military conflict.

With Mr. Trump, Mr. Netanyahu now has an American partner who agrees with him that the deal is “disastrous” and threatens to blow it up. But if they kill an agreement the rest of the world believes is working, the United States and Israel will be blamed and isolated, other countries will refuse to reimpose the international sanctions that were necessary to secure the deal, and Iran will kick out inspectors and resume its frozen nuclear program. It would be supremely ironic, but not entirely surprising, if Mr. Trump started to take steps that recklessly threatened the nuclear deal, and Mr. Netanyahu ended up quietly urging him to keep it in place.

I’m sure that Mr. Netanyahu will be more comfortable with many of Mr. Trump’s policies and advisers than he was with Mr. Obama’s. At least initially — who knows how long Mr. Trump’s approach will remain consistent — Mr. Netanyahu will relish a partner in the White House who gives him apparently unconditional support.

But it is also worth remembering that in his long political career, there is little that Mr. Netanyahu has valued more than the predictability offered by the preservation of a secure status quo. Whatever he may have gained from Mr. Trump’s election, that is one thing he has almost certainly lost.







Philip Gordon, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, was White House coordinator for the Middle East, North Africa and the Persian Gulf region from 2013 to 2015.


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A version of this op-ed appears in print on December 30, 2016, on Page A23 of the New York edition with the headline: Why Netanyahu Will Miss Obama. Today's Paper|Subscribe


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As I said, for Israel I am blind and fully biased. Israel will last forever.

I don't care who supported the resolution but BO should have vetoed it. Period
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Veto it for what ?To perpetuate the injustice against the Palestinians ? Would you accept the Dominican Republic to build settlements on Haiti's territories? How can Israel have peace with the other Arabs nations when it is violating the Palestinian territories.? You are really biased ;therefore the discussion is futile.
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Comparing the Middle East crisis with the Dominican Republic/Haiti issues is a false assertion. We have a clearly delineated border since the inception of Haiti and DR. However, Israel fought hard to gain every single piece of land it holds today. Please do not compare the two.
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What?

Are you more ROYALIST than the KING?

For those of you who continue to hammer that AMERICAN POLICY don't change?
Think again!!!!

Not all American administrations view AMERICAN INTEREST in the same manner.
America was not always pro JEWISH.
The U.S IN THE 30s turned away JEWS who were asking for ASYLUM.Some were returned to GERMANY where they died in CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
Since 1942 ,AMERICAN and BRITISH INTELLIGENCE knew about the CONCENTRATION CAMPS.When some JEWS contacted ROOSEVELT and asked him to BOMB the RAILWAYS to the CAMPS ;the AMERICANS and the BRITISH did not want to divert RESSOURCES they said ,were needed ELSEWHERE.
THE AMERICANS were not all in in the FOUNDATION of the STATE of ISRAEL after the end of the SECOND WORLD WAR.

Talking about AMERICAN JEWS ,only a MINORITY was for a VETO of the U.N RESOLUTION against the SETTLEMENTS.
As you may know ,the MAJORITY of JEWS vote DEMOCRAT.
They don't trust the REPUBLICAN PARTY where the NEO-NAZIS congregate ;they also disapprove of BIBI NETANYAHU who they consider RECKLESS!!!!!!!!
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Happy New Year Joel,

Joel a écrit:
Are you more ROYALIST than the KING?

I love this term especially when it about Israel. Indeed, I am more Royalist than the King
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Why ? ,Who are you?
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A clown!
Yon madigra malmaske!
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Misye gen lè pèdi ou byen li pa konn between li Sassaye.
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Sasaye a écrit:
A clown!
Yon madigra malmaske!

Gen lontan depi Sasaye pa joure m. Mwen ba l kote pou li mete nan degonn mwen.

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Misye gen lè pèdi ou byen li pa konn between li

pi bel blag you moun ban mwen pou 2017 la.


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