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 eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik?

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MessageSujet: eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik?   eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik? - Page 3 EmptyMer 3 Déc 2008 - 22:23

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Se youn nan bagay ke anpil konsèvatè , reyaktyonè ak gwo manjè toujou ap di men ki pa janm vre.mwen sonje sou Clinton kongrè ya te ogmante salè minimum lan epi ekonomi ya te mache byen.

mwen tap li yon komantè yon ekonomis ayisyen fè sou demann ke Preval fè pou ogmante salè minimum ouvriye an ayiti.li di ke demann sa pral kreye yon ralentisman nan envestisman an ayiti.paske envestisè yo ap konsidere lot kote.Mezanmi nan yon peyi ki pa genyen sendika eske se pa gouvenman an ki pou di yon bagay pou malere?ki patwon ayisyen ki genyen konsyans menm si li tap fè 100% sou envetisman li chak ane ki pral ogmante salè minimum ouvriyé yo?Si se patron yo pou gouvenman ap tann pou fè sa yo met tou di ouvriye yo nap kontinye manje biskwit labou pou lontan.naje pou nou soti tankou preval di ya.

mwen konprann kritik ekonomis lan kont minis finans lan men zafè di ke ogmntatyon salè minimum pa dwe fet koulyè ya se bobinn.Si jan pri tout bagay ap ogmante youn moun jwen moyen di ke youn moun ki ap travay 10 è pa jou pa dwe touche plis pase 70 goud an ayiti ou mechan.Kote benefis ke patwon yo fè eske genyen yon sendika ki ka voye je sou liv kontab antrepriz yo. eske ekonomis la fè audit nan konpayi yo poul konnen ki benefis yo fè sou pwodwi ke yo vann nan peyi etranje yo?Gade sa ki ap pase nan indistri ortomobil o Zeta Zuni 3 konpayi an fayit PDG ou CEO ap touche 20 milyon dola pa ane ,yo genyen konbyen jet prive konpayi yan nan disposition.

Si nan kondityon peyi sa ye jodya youn isinn pa ka peye yon ouvriyé uyon sale ki pemet li manje ak fanmi li e byen yo met fèmen yo.Se pa pase mwen nan frechè ki fè map di sa non ,menm si m te an ayiti mwen pa tap travay poum pa ka manje.mwen te met mouri ak tout pitit mwen yo.sa pou ekonomis lan te di se pou gouvenman ayisyen genyen yon politik fiskal ki pemet li jwen lajan pou li envesti nan lagrikilti, nan tourism ,nan agro bizniss konsa travayè ayisyen pap depann de youn paket inkonsyan esklavajis modern.Se pou gouvenman envesti nan indistri ki pwodwi byen ak servis pou pep la konsa to enflatyon a ralenti.a genyen manje a gogo, dlo a gogo, lekol a gogo, swen sante a bon mache.kay a bon mache.fok prodiktyon natyonal la ogmante tou.men se pa kenbe ouvriye ak yon salè miserab ki fè tiberkiloz ap touye yo ke patwon yo pral ogmante pwodiktyon natyonal e vinn envesti plis nan peyi ya.Menm si yo vinn eksplwate esklav yo ki sa sa itil peyi ya?Yo sot pran twa zan san yo pa peye taks eske yo envesti lajan nan peyi ya?

mwen tande menm ze se achte nap achte sa nan men dominiken ,nou vle dim si mesye ki kontwole ekonomi ayisyen yo te genyen bonn volonte e yo te renmen peyi ya yo pa ta ka kreye konpayi tankou Tyson food, kraft, Nestle,Mosanto etc pou lage manje nan peyi ya.Kote konpayi konstriktyon yo kreye ki pou bati kay a ba pri pou ouvriye rete?kote pansyon de vyeyes yo genyen pou ouvriye>mwen konnen genyen youn ki te deja dim se poum desann an ayiti pou vinn peye ouvirye 5 dola pa jou.dapre li mwen dwe fèmen dyol mwen kite li souse san ouvriye ayisyen .mwen pa konnen sim ta ka peye yo 5 dola pa jou men se youn sel bagay mwen konnen sim ta genyen yon biznis ki pa ka pemet mwen peye ouvriye yon salè ki pou pemet yo manje e byen mwen tap fout fèmen li.

se pa pou Preval selman mande pou patwon ogmante salè minimum men tou se pou li koupe nan depans leta yo pou genyen sipli nan bidjè ya ki ka pemet gouvenman kreye anplwa pou ouvriye ayisyen pa beswen al fè esklavajis etranje eksplwate yo.
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MessageSujet: Re: eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik?   eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik? - Page 3 EmptyVen 19 Déc 2008 - 20:21

se pa vre ditou sa w di ya ;tou dabor mwen si m tap touche lajan saa mwen pa tap genyen cable.ni tou mwen pa tap blije rete nan yon kay ki koute 700 dola pa mwa.ki sak di ke transportatyon koute 600 dola pa mwa a?ki moun ou konnen o Zeta Zuni ki ap manje biskwit la bou?leta bati kay pou malkere se pa tout moun ki jwen yo men tou leta ba moun ed .se sak fè mwen ak w yo pini nou si yo kenbe nou nan fè frod nan rapor revni nou.

Banm yon fanmi ki ap fè kob saa koulyè ya mwen montre yo ki jan yo ka viv a kob saa.wa sonje mwen di w se pa sa w fè ya ki enpotan se sa ki rete nan men w.Konpare yon moun ki ap fè 7 dola pa è o Zeta Zuni ak yon moun ki ap touche 2 dola pa jou an ayiti e ki pa jwen ed nan men leta paske gowo zotobre yo pa vle peye taks ki pou pemet leta ba pep la servis ke li beswen se yon non sans.ekri ekwatyon an pi byen se 7*40*52*2/12*=Gross income ki ka ap pe prè 2000 dola pa mwa apre taks.Si fanmi sa yo pa ka jwen kay leta a bon mache pou rete yo ka jwen sibvantyon.si yo kalifye ni pou food stamp ni pou ed pou yo peye itilite.eske w ka konpare ak yon moun ke apwntman l pa ka pemet li achte yon bon pla manje pout tet li poul genyen ase kalori poul travay mwen pa beswen di w poul ta ka ba pitit li manje.epi tou si papa a debrouya li ka fè yon pat time job.mwen konnen sa pa fasil koulyè ya men genye jan ou ka jwen yon ti part time menm nan fè taxi ou byen yon ti biznis personel nan week -end.
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MessageSujet: Re: eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik?   eske se vre ogmantatyon salè minimum ralanti kwasans ekonomik? - Page 3 EmptyDim 21 Déc 2008 - 16:36

sans malice, as you have surely already known, there is a concept in economics called" marginal change"; and the problem with some Haitian advocates in the labor fight is that sometimes they would ignore marginal proportion when dealing with trade-offs. if you are a government, and you want to grow your economy, you cannot just arbitrarily increase your minimum wage just to increase the purchasing power of those already employed without considering the future of those yet to be employed. Ceteris Paribus ( will all things considered equal), the vast majority of economists whether conservative or liberal agree that increasing wages will lead to some form of unemployment by either lay-offs or deffered future employments or deferred expansion. so before a government mandates an increase in mimimum wage, it has to compare it with the marginal cost. for instance, what if increasing the minimum wage of ten thousands people by 10% directly leads to lay-offs or deferred employment of five thousand people. you see, the increase may be a problem in some cases. Keep in mind that I am not saying that the question of increasing minimum wage is economically or ethically irrelevant, but rather that such questions should not be based on pure ideological ground, and that they should be looked at scientifically with a pragmatic eye.


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You're repeating the same conclusion that we have reached already:The increase of the minimum wage must be considered in a greater context before its implementation.I am not advocating the increase of the minimum wage to satisfy some political agenda;I adhere to the principles that the wage of the workers must be determined by the profits of the company;the value of the work performed by the workers and the cost of living in the country where the work is performed.I also wrote for an economy to perform for the benefits of all the government should be efficient in adopting a fiscal and monetary policies that are conducive to the growth of the Gross national product.

It would be ludicrous to demand an augmentation of the minimum wage without considering the profitability of the factories.But if after an audition of their books the government determines that their profits are enough for them to pay the workers a decent wage; it is the duty of the governement to demand such an increase ,particularly in a country where there is no union,and the rate of unemployment is so high that the workers have no right,for the employers can replace them without paying any compensation for laying them off.
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yes, we both agree on that, but that is not the way the governments in Haiti think. that is why in the beginning of my last post I emphatically said that " as you surely have already known". the last post was not directed to you, but rather to the prevalent notion among social activists in Haiti that the government should always try to increase wages directly. I am for more of an indirect approach like improving education, infrastructure, investment incentives and so on.
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